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yum44
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   Posted 5/28/2007 12:32 AM (GMT -7)   
hello everyone, i'll keep this short: went to the er w/gallbladder pain 1 wk ago, had an ultrasound done & gallstones showed. saw my doctor 2 days later.  the hospital report hadn't reached him, so he examined me, took some blood and sent me home until the reports came in. 2days later my husband calls him and the dr has ordered a hidascan.  why would i need a scan when the ultrasound showed stones? i wasn't able to ask him as my husband took the phone (i unfortunalty had the stomach flu).  thanks for any help, i've never written on one of these boards before.

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   Posted 5/28/2007 8:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi yum 44... Welcome to Healing Well :-)

I would be interested to know also. Stones would warrant a gb removal anyway so if the gb isn't functioning like its supposed to, it wouldn't matter. My hubby had his gb taken out with just stones seen on an ultrasound. That was enough for them, he didn't have the hidascan. I would definitely call your doc tomorrow and ask this question.
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shelly1979
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   Posted 5/29/2007 11:31 AM (GMT -7)   

I also had to have a hidascan...along with the slu of other tests. (ugh!)  Anyway, a hidascan, I believe, tests the FUNCTION of the gallbladder.  It just doesn't look for gallstones.  The test took a couple of hours and it's not very comfortable, but not untollerable.

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   Posted 5/29/2007 12:36 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree that if you have stones, you don't need the hida scan. Yes, the hida scan checks function, but if you were dysfunctional enough to warrant an unltrasound, and stones were found, that's cause and effect enough and you do not also need the hida scan. That will just tell them that your stones are causing your gall bladder to not function, which they know anyways. Sounds like a doctor fishing for fees to me.

If your insurance doesn't require you to get referrals in order to see specialists, request your ultrasound pics from the doctor/hospital and take them directly to a surgeon. That's what I did with my hida scan results; I never went back to the original doctor, since I knew myself that the results warranted removal. The surgeon agreed and I got it out less than a week later.

If you require a referral, call your doctor's office and ask for one for a surgeon. If he says he wants you to have a hida scan first, ask why, and if he doesn't convince you that it's important (can't imagine how he can, seeing how even people without symptoms, but with stones, get their GBs taken out since that's just asking for a stone to get lodged in the duct), tell him you refuse to have an unnecessary procedure done and to please refer you to a surgeon so you don't have to get another doctor.

yum44
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   Posted 5/30/2007 6:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks everyone for writing. My Dr said the ultrasound was not sufficient in showing everything that could be going on with my gb. The hidascan would give a more complete picture of how the gb is functioning, or not functioning. If it is fncting alright, he'll have the stones removed (something down my throat, i would be under general anesthesia). This of course raises other questions for me like, won't they come back and will this uncomfortable test and or just removal of the stones be for nothing in the years to come if i have to have all this done again!!! For now, I've decided to have the hidascan done and take it from there. I've read different accounts on the procedure, from it being very painful (feels like an attack) to just uncomfortable. I suppose it is an individual thing, each body responding differently. The procedure is set for this Friday. I'll let you all know how it goes. Thanks.

Keriamon
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   Posted 5/31/2007 11:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes, the stones will come back. I can't tell you how long it will take them to reform, but they will come back again and you'll be in the same boat you're in now. Maybe in a year from now, maybe 10; who knows? If it buys you 10 years of a functioning gall bladder, then I say it's definitely worth it. If it postpones it a year, then it's not worth it. I haven't heard of them removing stones through an endoscopy before. I know that they have tried using the ultra sonic waves to break them up, like they use on kidney stones, but that never met with much success, mostly because they did come back, although partly because they were harder to break up into small enough pieces. If your stones aren't small enough to pass through the bile duct unnoticed, I wonder how they're going to get them out of your gall bladder? Cut it open and stitch it back closed? Stretch out the bile duct and forcibly remove them? Sounds like a lot of chances for you to continue to have gall bladder problems after the stone removal.

I still say it's silly to test your gall bladder for function. DUH! You're sick, so it's obviously not functioning properly. How simple is that? Talk about 1 + 1. You have stones, therefore the stones must be causing it not to function. The hidascan won't show anything except that it's not functioning properly; there's no way it can tell you if removing the stones will remove the problem, because you could actually have a dysfunctional or otherwise diseased gall bladder on top of having stones. I still think your doctor is a fee-fisher, but, hey, at least he's going forward, even if he's taking the really long way around. It took me 5 years get where you are now, so maybe your policy of not rocking the boat is for the best. After five years of that junk, I was willing to do whatever tests that would ultimately lead to my GB removal.

Good luck with your test. I don't recall hurting, but I did feel nauseated and extremely uncomfortable lying down. Most people don't actually vomit from it, but that can happen. If the doctor wants to just try and remove the stones, then really press him for information regarding the long-term success rate of that. Like I said, I haven't even heard of it before, so I have no idea how much time that might buy you, but if it's not enough time, then you need to counter with a press to get it out once and for all. (And, whatever you do, double-check the information he gives you via internet searches; a lot of people have found that their doctors often don't fully disclose the side effects from some procedures; a lot of doctors are still telling patients that after having their GBs taken out, they will be completely normal and able to eat anything they want, which, out of everyone I know or have even heard of via a third party, that only came true in one case; everyone else has at least some problems and certain dietary restrictions.) Although, if you wait, they are now experimenting with taking organs out via oriffices, so in a few years surgery for this might consist of a scope down the throat to pull it out; that would be much easier than even the laproscopy through the belly button. No being sore, no being full of gas.

yum44
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   Posted 8/15/2007 8:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello again, it's been awhile.  I had the hd done & nothing.  Gb functioning fine.  I went back to my primary who refered me to a surgeon.  Nothing has happened until today, that's why i haven't written.  I saw the surgeon today and he's not completely confident the gallbladder is the bad guy here, so he's ordered a pelvic and abdomen CT Scan and an endoscopy.  He thinks i may have an ulcer because of all the different symptoms i'm telling him i experience.  He says he wants to rule everything else out before discussing taking out my gb. I told him of back pain (constant, and i mean constant) irritating frequency of urination and i have a 4cm cyst which has been flaring up.  The gb pain comes and goes, nothing like a few months back when i would have said get this thing out NOW!  My primary dr did check for bladder infection and it came back negative. I have the CT scan this saturday morning and i have to admit and i am hopeful!  thanks everyone!

Sarita
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   Posted 8/15/2007 11:50 PM (GMT -7)   

Hmm...an endoscopy and CT scan are probably good ideas because of your urinary symptoms and history of cysts, but you should also get a report of that ultrasound you had done in the ER.  I'd be really, really surprised if they found you indeed had gallstones and didn't recommend removing your gallbladder quickly.  Do you have the report handy, by any chance?

There is a method called ERCP that they use to essentially dissolve stones if they become lodged in the bile duct, but the preferred method is overwhelmingly removal of the gallbladder. 

The CT scan will also show gallstones, it's just a lot more expensive than an ultrasound and exposes you to a lot more radiation...but, like I said, it's probably worth it given your other symptoms that are not so readily explained simply by gallstones.

Good luck and let us know how your tests go!


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ryleigh
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   Posted 8/16/2007 9:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello,  Well let me tell you something about the gallbladder..  I had a bad one for 10 years!!!  I had a hydascan and it was fine about 8 years ago.. I continued to have attacks and pain for years..  Had every test and 6 abd surgeries.. Still sick..  Came up to Ohio to Cleveland Clinic..  They did a hydascan and found out my gallbladder was not functioning..  So they took it out.. When they went to take it out they found out that my appedix looked bad to.. It looked like I had had apedicytis but it never burst.. I had been to the ER so many times for so many years.. It just never got bad enought to show up on tests.. So the moral of the story is keep getting more tests!! Don't give up..  I finally got my gallbladder out last November..  I am not cured but I am better..  Take Care...

Ryleigh

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