Drugs and Ammonia in drinking water, even well water

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cured4real?
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   Posted 4/12/2008 11:37 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't know if anyone has posted anything on this, but my fish were dying and I found that even my deep rural well had ammonia in the water. I did some research and found that city water supplies are not safe for people with chronic kidney and liver disease and other health problems because we are allowing more and more ammonia in the water instead of spending the money to filter it out. Hepatologist urge patients to drink distilled water, since we often have ammonia problems.
 
Also, someone posted this on the liver site I go to about drugs in city and even well water. This associated press release explains that our water treatment facilities are not filtering out the many pharmaceuticals we take and excrete in our urine and feces. These drugs have even contaminated the watersheds and have very very long half lifes. In addition, we have no research about long term exposure to many of these drugs, even in low doses. Distilled water should solve the problem.
 
Here's the article for those who are interested:
13abc.com: Drugs in drinking water
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mom46
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   Posted 4/12/2008 11:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Tks Margi,
    I've been seeing alot on the news lately about drinking water. It's very scary to know our water supply isn't safe. I have been using distilled water for awhile now. The water here is just nasty anyway. Tks for the link as well.
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   Posted 4/12/2008 12:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I always drink bottled water and plan to use distilled for the baby as well. I can't stand tap water plus my husband worked in a water plant for 3 years. Believe me I know what is in the water and I would be especially worried about chlorine levels. Chlorine can kill you in high enough levels and they have to use more and more on the water even in supposedly unpoluted areas. I know using filters can help but the truth is I am very sensetive to chlorine- can make me very ill in small amounts- so I dislike even the idea of it. Reverse osmosis works well at getting impurities out of our water.
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   Posted 4/12/2008 6:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Be careful!

Actual distilled water doesn't have some of the electrolytes that our nerves and muscles need to work properly. You can do irreparable harm to your nervous system by drinking only distilled water.

"Purified water lacks minerals and ions, such as calcium, which are normally found in potable (drinking) water, and which have important biological functions such as in nervous system homeostasis. Some percentage of our daily consumption of these minerals and ions come from our drinking water. ... Since distilled water is devoid of minerals, supplemental mineral intake through diet is needed to maintain proper health."

Bottled drinking water is not usually distilled water for this reason.

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cured4real?
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   Posted 4/12/2008 10:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks lynnwood. Even though the liver docs want me to stick with distilled water as much as possible, I still use the tap water for tea and coffee and eat alot of vegetables and fruits, which I hope will help supplement. I also drink diet pop, so I'm still getting some tap water. I've just tried to cut it back due to the ammonia and now drugs, because of my chronic UT problems. It will be interesting to see what they do about this problem. No wonder more and more people have autoimmune/allergy problems and liver problems and alzheimers. It makes you wonder. Yeah redrose, my dad is a chem engineer and worked for the EPA and they don't even test for chemicals and heavy metals in our water treatment plants, just organic problems. Since so much "spring water" is actually tap, I don't waste the money because I have a well. I think a carbon filter would remove some drugs, since it does in my fish tanks, but others might be more resilient. I'm looking at that for the ammonia problem. I could pack it with zeolite too. I just found this to be a sign that we are overburdening our environment and need to do something.
Love, Marji
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redrose77
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   Posted 4/12/2008 11:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes we are over burdening our environment. We need to find ways to remove this stuff from our water supply. Add the medications that end up in landfills along with the amonia there and you can see we have a huge problem. I make sure my water is NOT spring water, I actually have stomach pain if I drink spring water. Tap water causes a similar problem in small amounts. If I have to drink tap water in any quantity then I end up really sick. I have actually had this issue since childhood. I buy distilled unless I know for sure how the water was processed. I also buy gatoraid and drink my fluids at a 1:3 ratio, 3 parts water to 1 part gatoraid- meaning if I taking in 3 glasses of water I drink 1 of gatoraid. My doctors actually suggested this method because I dehydrate so easily even when I was drinking tap water. I am actually looking into a filter for my shower water. My husband was told repeatedly if the Chlorine tank or barrel leaked he needed to leave the water plant immediately. Even a small leak would have required a team in special suits to come in and make the air safe again. The amount needed in the water to kill the nasty organisms rose steadily over the 3 years he worked there. There were days our water would smell like bleach and if you took a shower your hair would come out lighter because of how much it took to kill the stuff. Worse, he said the reports on our local public water supply show that the chlorine levels used here (averages) are higher than any he ever used. My hair is slowly turning blond from dark brown. I use hair dye to slow the process- I buy it 3 shades darker than my natural color to get 1 shade lighter than my hair normally is. We may eventually have to break down and buy a water softener/filtration system. I know that I refuse to use the tap water for the baby or in cooking. It makes food taste funny.

If you find some kind of filter that can take out the majority of stuff let me know as I would love to find a way to cook with tap water again.
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cured4real?
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   Posted 4/13/2008 5:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Redrose-- I know that I give my fish the following meds at times (though they seldom need it) metronidazole, nitrifurazone, tetracyclines, sulpha drugs, quinine, formalyn, copper sulphate, and methyline blue. All of which are supposed to be removed by charcoal filtration (I have to remove my charcoal when I treat them and replace it to remove the drugs. My dad is a chemical engineer and prefers reverse osmosis personally, though distillation is better for getting rid of all chemicals, he said a charcoal filter put on to your pump if large enough will definitely remove a lot of stuff. Iron filtration containing potassium permaganate can remove many things too. But charcoal is the overall best, which is why they give it to you when you overdose on drugs. I can find you plans on the internet for making such a filter and I know they have some at home depot that go on your water intake. Zeolite, a white carbon like material, is especially good for ammonia. I don't know about chlorine, how that can be removed without reverse osmosis or distillation, but I plan to put a good charcoal filter on my well when I get the money. My doc has recommended distilled for me and my endo said to just drink gatoraid if I feel out of sorts. There's always vitamins too, if I need them, I do drink the mixes like south beach, propel and others that have various vitamin, calcium, and other ingredients too.

I started off the tap/spring water with my urinary tract problem and went to distilled and I think it has finally cleared up, though it took forever.

I guess you can make a charcoal filter out of a water softener, some guys at a used pump place told me they could make about any kind of filter you wanted from an old water softener, so that's an idea to go on the cheap. Water softeners add sodium to your water, which for me is really bad because I retain water and need a low sodium diet now. YOu might want to ask the doc about that. I can get you some large scale filter plans that people use for filtering large scale fish places, its the same filtration method. I'm sure theres some on the web too. Your hubby might be able to rig something up. I'm interested in those new water pitchers, I don't know if they work. Oh, you can also buy a home distiller for your pressure cooker that allows you to distill water at home, though only a gallon at a time.
Love, Marji
--Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. Bill Watterson (1958-) cartoonist "Calvin and Hobbes"
Ills--Sjogrens-Lupus-like AI Disease, Hashis, Vitiligo, spinal stenosis/fusion with plate, salivary/lymphectomies, Diabetes, NAFLD, COPD, RLS, neuropathy, trigonitis, hystero, diffuse brain atrophy, GI nightmare
Meds--Plaquenil, Evoxac, Metformin, Synthroid, HCTZ, Estradiol patch, Prosed, Detrol, Klonopin, Ultram, Vicodin, Restasis, Albuterol, steroid injections and pred prn

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