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ojibway
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   Posted 8/15/2008 9:53 AM (GMT -7)   
Someone is listening. Some of you were not sure if I was making a statement or asking a question in my first post. I was making statement and imploring you to ask yourself a question. If someone other than a doctor where to tell you what is the cause of your illness would you believe him. I am not a doctor, I have no intentions of becoming a doctor, it is not my calling, I am a half breed ojibway and potowatomi native american indian. I am a shaman and I know what is causing your illness. I know this, because I have the same illness. If I do not know your pain, if I do not feel it, how can I understand it. Go to my profile and visit my website. It is information that you need to know, there are some videos that can be downloaded, it is all totally free. I am not trying to sell you anything. Knowing the cause of a disease is on thing, curing it, is another. Go to my website, read it, and do I have everything 100% right, I do not think so. The more I think about things the clearer they become. Contact me, ask me squestions, I will answer them.
David
SLE 2002, pulmonary sarcoidosis, deep vein thrombosis, raynaud's
When you have eliminated the impossible, all that remains, however improbable, is the truth. 


MJLD
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   Posted 8/15/2008 11:04 AM (GMT -7)   
Personally, I trust my doctor. She is extremely compassionate and intelligent. I don't care for the assumption that the medical community at large is willing to hide research and cures from the general public. I find that a little hard to swallow. I was a part of the medical community and the largest percentage of people that I came to know where in it for the right reasons. I believe they are searching and researching diligently and if anybody is making a dent in understanding AI diseases, this is where it will come from. Just my humble opinion. Judy

ojibway
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   Posted 8/15/2008 11:47 AM (GMT -7)   
I did not say that the medical community is hiding research or cures. I do not think they can find what I believe to be the cause of AI's. I do not believe they have the proper technology as yet. The hardest part for me to convince the medical community of what the cause of AI's is that when you believe a causative agent of disease is restricted by geography, that it is tropical and only a tropical agent, then you are ignoring the fundamental facts of nature, and that is that nature will always find a way to prosper. I live in Canada, west nile virus was not here a couple of years ago, it is now, and it is not going to go away.


David
SLE 2002, pulmonary sarcoidosis, deep vein thrombosis, raynaud's
When you have eliminated the impossible, all that remains, however improbable, is the truth. 

Post Edited (ojibway) : 8/15/2008 1:04:35 PM (GMT-6)


Ginny
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   Posted 8/15/2008 1:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey David,

I'm listening, and I'm curious!  So I"m downloading your videos right now.  I agree 100% with you in that nature will always try to find a way to prosper and THRIVE! Your point regarding west nile is dead on.  It was not here (in western Canada) until just recently, yet it's been throughout the rest of the world forever!  So how and why did it come here? (yes, I'm in Alberta too!). Not only is this with west nile, but with so many other "pests" that cause illness and death. Like Lyme Disease.
 
I enjoy researching about the body and how it works. I find it fascinating and astonishing. I do also believe that our medical community is working very hard to find what causes AI diseases. I have to put faith into what they're doing as well as doing my own research and bouncing ideas, brainstorming off of other people with lupus.  This forum is very good at doing that.  We like brainstorm and help come up with answers and ideas.
 
But the most important part of being a member in this forum is to support each other with positive comments, thoughts, prayer, etc. This is a healing place. Living with lupus, as you know, is horrible. We need each other. blush
 
Ginny
 
I tried downloading the first video but it didn't work. I did however read through your research discoveries.  I'm going to do some checking as well in regards to what you've found. I find it compelling. Thanks David.


I can do anything through Jesus Christ who strengthens me. I have learned in whatever state I am in,to be content. Phillipians 4:11-13

34 years old. Diagnosed with lupus in 2000. Fibromyalgia, anti-phospholipid syndrome(APS)(stroke),Sjogren's, Raynaud's, seizure disorder-(miraclulously disappeared!), Libman Sach's Endocarditis, vasculitis, sacroiliitis, arthritis (neck) . Prednisone, Imuran, Coumadin, Clobazam, Amitriptyline, didrocal, Cozaar, calcium, Cykolokapron, multi-vitamin, vitamin D, Magnesium, vitamin B6, Acidophilus

Post Edited (ginny) : 8/15/2008 2:36:05 PM (GMT-6)


ojibway
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   Posted 8/15/2008 2:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Ginny,
Glad to see you like researching medical science, it has been my entire life for two years now. Not much else to do, unfortunately. Let me know what you find, Ginny. If you want to discuss your findings just get in touch.
David
SLE 2002, pulmonary sarcoidosis, deep vein thrombosis, raynaud's
When you have eliminated the impossible, all that remains, however improbable, is the truth. 


puccini914
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   Posted 8/15/2008 5:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I read an article recently that they have found a way to kill HIV in the laboratory with something called an abzyme. This is a chemical natuarlly produced by people who have lupus. Our pain may lead to someone's cure. At least some good can come out of anything. However HIV is an example of a disease causing an immune system to malfunction.  As far as genetics are concerned you have to look at the tendency for mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts and grandmothers all to suffer from some kind of autoimmune disease.  I don't know my family medical history because I was adopted, but I know of many other where the genetic connection is hard to deny.  It's the very nature of diseases like AI, HIV and cancer which make it so difficult to treat and cure.  How do deal with white cells that attack healthy systems, or cells that mutate into something deadly or an immune system that just fails to function.  What I think we need to realize is that although these diseases have been around a long time, medical science has only developed treatments through trial and error.  Many of the drugs we take, like plaquenil, work but no one knows why.  We must be patient and thankful that we have any kind of treatments at all.  But I must add that not all doctors are good doctors and finding the right one to work with you may be one of the hardest parts of dealing with an AI disease, especially since Rhuemy's are well known for being pompous know-it-all's that make us all feel like we must be going crazy.  Best wishes to you, good luck and God Bless.

Jennifer

Diagnostic Limbo: Seeing Rheumy since November 07, Taking plaquenil, Cymbalta, Flexeril,Claritin, Zantac,Ambien, vitamin D, Darvocet.

 

 

Post Edited (puccini914) : 8/15/2008 6:16:36 PM (GMT-6)


puccini914
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   Posted 8/15/2008 6:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Okay, well I just read your website and I'm sorry but I'm just not a believer. I am a former veterinay technologist and it seems you are saying we have parasitic infections similair to canine heartworm disease. This disease is transmitted to dogs and cats through the saliva of an infected mosquito. Direct smear tests are not considered conclusive tests for heartworms because the microfilaria are only present in the blood at certain times in the life cycle. The only tests that can be truly accurate are those that test for antigens secreted by the microfilaria of the herartworm. There is also a harmless form of blood parasite in dogs that can be confused with heartworm under direct smear and that is Dipetalonema reconditum, it is transmitted by fleas. I think that if humans could contract life threatening illnesses from parasitic infections, there would be conclusive antigen testing available.   Also, a parasitic infestation would not explain why auto immune diseases are found more often in women and not geographically centered.  There are only certain areas in which dogs are suceptable to heartworm infection, why are there not areas of a population both male and female with lupus?  Sorry, but I just can't see it.


Jennifer

Diagnostic Limbo: Seeing Rheumy since November 07, Taking plaquenil, Cymbalta, Flexeril,Claritin, Zantac,Ambien, vitamin D, Darvocet.

 

 

Post Edited (puccini914) : 8/15/2008 7:51:38 PM (GMT-6)


ojibway
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   Posted 8/15/2008 6:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jennifer,
You are right that the parasitic heartworm that infects dogs is a nematode worm. Similar to filarial nematodes, but not the same. Filarial Nematode worms only infect humans, no other animals. Sometimes humans can be infected with the heartworm of dogs, but it is usually killed by the immune system. As for microfilaria being observed in the blood. This is only relevant if you are microfilaraemic. Only relevant if you do not kill the microfilaria. If you kill the microfilaria you are amicrofilaraemic. You will not nor will you ever exhibit microfilaria in the blood. Specific antibodies towards the microfilaria have not been found as yet. I have read different reports from scientists that claim to have found the antibody, but their claims report different kilodalton weights. I am wondering right now if antinuclear antibodies or anti dsDNA antibodies are specific to a certain kilodalton weight or if it varies. IF it is specific I think we have our antibody. more work to do.
David
SLE 2002, pulmonary sarcoidosis, deep vein thrombosis, raynaud's
When you have eliminated the impossible, all that remains, however improbable, is the truth. 


puccini914
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   Posted 8/15/2008 7:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Found this desciption of filariasis and there is an antigen test available.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2601/is_0005/ai_2601000547 Hope this helps.

Jennifer

Diagnostic Limbo: Seeing Rheumy since November 07, Taking plaquenil, Cymbalta, Flexeril,Claritin, Zantac,Ambien, vitamin D, Darvocet.

 

 


Serina
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   Posted 8/16/2008 12:34 PM (GMT -7)   
I am a half breed ojibway and potowatomi native american indian. Go to my profile and visit my website.
 
 I am new here ojibwa, so maybe I do not know my way around, but I couold not find a way to get to your website. 
 
I am mixed blood Cherokee, but not a shaman.  In fact my family spent most of thier lives hiding our cherokee blood.  did not grow up on a reservation, so know very little about such a life, relatively speaking. 
 
If you or someone could tell me how to get to your website, I would love to look at it.
 
Hester

Serina
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   Posted 8/16/2008 1:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry folks. I found the way to get to David's site, after I asked for instructions.

I am downloading some of his material now.

I have said it before but must say it again. for me this forum is amazing.

hester

Ginny
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   Posted 8/16/2008 2:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Hester,
 
No need to apologize!  I downloaded David's video too, but it didn't work... So I read his information instead. It's an interesting possibility he has come up with.  I'm taking it all in and adding it to my own knowledge.  Let me know if you got the videos to work for you okay!
 
Ginny
I can do anything through Jesus Christ who strengthens me. I have learned in whatever state I am in,to be content. Phillipians 4:11-13

34 years old. Diagnosed with lupus in 2000. Fibromyalgia, anti-phospholipid syndrome(APS)(stroke),Sjogren's, Raynaud's, seizure disorder-(miraclulously disappeared!), Libman Sach's Endocarditis, vasculitis, sacroiliitis, arthritis (neck) . Prednisone, Imuran, Coumadin, Clobazam, Amitriptyline, didrocal, Cozaar, calcium, Cykolokapron, multi-vitamin, vitamin D, Magnesium, vitamin B6, Acidophilus


Serina
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   Posted 8/16/2008 2:24 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Ginny,

I could not get the video to download in Quick Time at first.  even though I have set my computer to use quick time.  then somehow this quick time was playing.  I could hear David's voice talking but could not see the video.  then I brought the website back up and couold see him as well as hear him.  My biggest problem was not reading his instructions well enough I think.  When I right clicked it as he instructed I was able to download it.  Finally I have it downloaded and about to watch it.  I will let you know if the video plays for me.

thank you for your response

Hester


Serina
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   Posted 8/16/2008 2:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Ginny,

I could only get the video to work for a few minutes and then it froze up. Will try reading the material he suggested.

Hester

Serina
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   Posted 8/16/2008 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   

Hello David and Ginny and the rest of the group.

I was a little suspicious of you David because you said you were a shaman.  Much of the time a person claiming to be an Indian Shaman, is really a shaman money grabber.  this is not true in your case, and I am satisfied that you have done much work in this field of study.

I think it has merit.  I think the scientific community should at least take a closer look at the things that you have found.  And they still may yet do that.  Even Benjamin Franklin was a lowly floor sweeper before he became famous, and look how the scientific community has responded to him.

I am going to try to have the money to print these things out that you have written about and show it to my rheumatologist and ask him to please read it when he can.  It is the only way I can do it.  I would never be able to remember all that you said, and even one small or large part that I might not remember would bring shame to your work.  And I do not wish to do that.

thank you for the work you have done in this area, and thank you for sharing it with us.  Even if they listen to you today, it would not probably help all of us, but it could help other people in the future.

Hester


MJLD
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   Posted 8/17/2008 7:32 PM (GMT -7)   
I truly did not mean my comments to be divisive in any way.  I am simply skeptical.  You said the medical community doesn't have the technology to figure out the causative agent that you have discovered.  What technology could you possibly have that they don't?  The one caveat to posting on line is that people can read whatever intonation they want into your post.  I am not being ugly or sarcastic, just skeptical.  I appreciate that you are trying to research and I respect your intellect.  But, I also respect the scietific method and "pure" science.  God Bless you, Judy

Serina
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   Posted 8/18/2008 6:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Skepticism to me is a path toward truth. Without it I doubt that we could have the scientific ability that we do have today. Eienstine questioned Newton's physics, and created the theory of relativity that is still being attemtped to be understood today. to question is a good thing. I think David is questioning the accepted theory today concerning Lupus, and then of course his theory is going to be questioned also. I think this is how we get where we are going............we question.

In addition to that, however for me, is the hope, and the question, what if David is right. It certainly can't hurt to look at this theory, and find out if it has merit. One of my own questions about David's theory is, if it is true, why aren't there many other people who have lupus? If our autoimmune system is doing the right thing in Lupus activity to attack healthy tissue, is it doing the wrong thing for other people?

I am still going to try if I can, to print out David's theory and ask my rheumatologist to read it when he has time. He is more educated in this field than I will ever be. He most likely will have questions that I can't even think of.

Hope this day will be good to all of you
Hester
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