Cleansing and detoxification

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johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 7:30 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi everyone God bless you my name is Johnny I am an American minster/missionary living in the Philippines and I have had SLE LUPUS for about 5 years now. My biggest problem or enemy is stress/diet and the sun, I keep in constant horrible dual pain in my bones and joints from my head to my toes, and I really have to be careful of what I eat, nightshade foods activate my LUPUS. I take PLAQUENIL-PREDNISONE – CELLABRIX,  among other things, but it seems like nothing helps the pain and fatigue, I talked to an x doctor whose gave up his practice because his sister died when the LUPUS effected her lungs, at the age of 30 and he was the one taking care of her. so now he can’t live with himself, he told me that Diet/Exercise and a good natural colon/body cleansing and heavy metal detoxification is the only answer! I don’t if that’s true but it would sure be worth it to find out right? Has anyone ever heard this before, here in South East Asia they try to cure every naturally. And I like the idea and want to find out more about it.

May God Bless and hold you all in this difficult struggle

Johnny turn


AlwaysRosie
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   Posted Yesterday 8:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Johnny,

Welcome to the forum. I'm so sorry you are in such a long, painful flare.

I have read that one of the causes of lupus 'can' be heavy metal poisoning. It would seem that such a person really could benefit from the detox. I knew one gal who had all her fillings removed and replaced for a chance at relief from fibromyalgia. She initially felt worse . . . but I think it helped int he long-run. I lost contact with her, so I don't know how much or long the benefit might have been.

Some of us have a history of auto-immune disorders in our families so that could be genetic OR being exposed to the same toxic stuff.

Some even say that LACK of exposure to parasites in the soil can cause autoimmune issues. This line of thinking reasons that the microscopic parasites serve to damp down the immune system which is a sort of checks and balances in the body. . . and the body was made to be exposed to a fare amount junk.

If the detox is a safe procedure, what would you have to lose by trying it? I hope you'll let us know how that goes.

Blessings!

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   Posted Yesterday 12:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Beware of anybody claiming they have the only answer especially if they want your business and the services they are offering. Beware of "cures"
Yes a healthy diet and suitable exercise will help general health and well being and maybe relieve some symptoms. As for colonic irrigation, detox, heavy metals and all that there is no proof. Colonic irrigation is advised against for people with lupus because of the increased risk of causing internal damage.
Whatever you do, don't stop taking your medicines. I'd dstart in a small cost free way by changing my diet. Cuty out animal fats and full fat dairy and especially hydrogenated fatty acids. You might want to avoid all red meat too. Cut out all refined sugars and don't eat processed food or food with any additives or preservatives. Try supplementing with fish oil ( omega 3's) and fresh fishes but avoid those that are especially known to be contaminated. Avoid excessive exposure to UV rays or eliminate it as much as possible.

Once lupus has been triggered by whatever unknown trigger there is no evidence that it can be cured. With luck and good management it might go into remission but it can surface again at any time if that is your destiny.

Take care and good luck

BB

Melissa D.
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   Posted Yesterday 1:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Johnny,

Welcome to the site! I too am sorry you are suffering from pain and fatigue, unfortunately it goes with the territory when you have Lupus. I have a brother in law who has moved to the Philipines to retire, he taught abroad from many, many years and has been there for a couple of years now. He and his wife have a home in Manilla and a beach home in Unisan.

I don't know what to say about cleansing and detoxifying, I have heard both pro's and con's. I have a lot of GI issues that have come with my lupus, so I would be leary, but that's just me. Like stated above many of us have family members with other autoimmune diseases, my father happens to have Crohn's so that is most likely what brought on my Lupus and GI issues. Whatever you decide, please be very careful, things of this nature can be very dangerous, so I urge you to do your research and advise your doctor.

Take care and best of luck.

Melissa


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johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 2:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks everyone
i feel so sorry for all you guys also, as you all know living with LUPUS is very very hard to deal with mostly because not even your own family members understand just what your going through, i truly believe i got mine after receiving a Flu shot in Oklahoma in 2003, i have studyed on it and have found that many people suffer from LUPUS and other Auto immune diseases because of Flu shots, well thanks again its 5:30 and am going for my walk now and do some exercise before the sun comes up.
God bless and thank all of you for your help
Johnny yeah

Post Edited (johnny1959) : 12/2/2008 4:03:18 PM (GMT-7)


johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 3:51 PM (GMT -7)   
to AlwaysRosie
You know since I stopped drinking coffee/ using sugar/ started exercising early in the mornings/changed my diet and started my cleansing and detoxification I feel much worse. But I heard that you will feel bad before you start feeling better.
God Bless
Johnny

johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 3:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow Melissa
Lupus - 1997 Fibro - 2001 Sjorens - 2007 Raynauds - 2008
Plaquenil, Imuran, Prednisone, Synthroid, Topomax, Effexor, Norco, Prilsec, Xanex, Elidel, Restasis

i am so sorry to hear that your suffering like that, i will be praying for all of you in here!

God Bless
Johnny

AlwaysRosie
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   Posted Yesterday 4:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Johnny,

Yes . . . detox really can cause issues before it helps. I switched my two dogs from commercial dog food to homemade and had some really weird issues with their stool. Won't get graphic but it turns out that their little bodies were purging some disgusting stuff . . .but within a week of starting the home made food, the older of the two was acting like a puppy again. Jumping around and playing like she used too. They both seem to be smiling too . . . brighter eyes and bright coats. So, it did get off to a bit of a scary start . . . but I won't switch back to kibble after seeing the dramatic difference.

I hope you'll keep us updated. One other thought . . . sounds like you already do . . but make sure your rheumy and gp are in on anything you are doing. I report all supplements and OTC meds to make sure we don't have a problem with the rx meds.

Keep us posted.

Blessings!

In His Grip

AlwaysRosie           "We can't control the waves, but we can learn how to surf!!"

Psalms 139

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caring
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   Posted Yesterday 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Johnny - I believe I had the underlying predisposition to Lupus, but that it was triggered by the Swine Flu shot which I received in the late 1970s. I began experiencing autoimmune type symtoms after I received that immunization. Not terribly long after that, there was a Phil Donahue show on tv about how the Swine Flu shot caused a number of cases of Lupus and another disease which I think was Guillaine Barr in the U.S. population. It sounds as though those on this board have given you much good advice. Good luck to you.
Nan

johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 6:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow thanks for the great advice guys and I didn’t tell my doctor yet because I see her every three months and I thought they were simply national supplements it’s called {Chlorella Sorokiniana} –Green Algae highly recommended by that other doctor I was talking about in my first post Whose sister died from Lupus.
But I will tell her now, I guess we have to watch every step we take and everything we do now with Lupus. Thanks again
God bless
Johnny

johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 7:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes Nan
I completely I agree and I truly believe that immunizations and vaccines in the states are very very dangers I am going to look up one of my websites on the subject as soon as I can find it because I have many and most of the time I forget the passwords, I can’t think straight any longer either. Well ill try to look it up for you ASAP ok
Be Blessed
Johnny

johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 7:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Nan I’m sending you a message board I made but never really got it going because of my LUPUS and being in so much pain and so tired all the time. Many people deeply hate me because of my teachings but these are my convictions but the forum has a lot to offer to those whom will listen with an open mind and do some studying themselves to prove me wrong, well be blessed I hope you find something useful in their
Johnny

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Post Edited By Moderator (AlwaysRosie) : 12/2/2008 7:46:06 PM (GMT-7)


johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 7:39 PM (GMT -7)   
When you get their click on General Discussion theirs a world of information there for anyone who will listen!!!
Be blessed

johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 7:45 PM (GMT -7)   
thats not even half of it,my website i took that info from is now closed, i wish you could have seen the whole thing!

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   Posted Yesterday 7:47 PM (GMT -7)   
sorry Johnny,

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In His Grip

AlwaysRosie           "We can't control the waves, but we can learn how to surf!!"

Psalms 139

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UCTD, Inflammatory Arthritis, Diverticulosis, (recent dx - Sjogrens, Crohn’s 4/08)

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johnny1959
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   Posted Yesterday 8:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok sorry i did not realize this it wont happen again,
Thanks and God Bless
Johnny

Serina
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   Posted 12/4/2008 12:19 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Johnny,

I welcome you to the forum.  you will find the best well informed people about Lupus ideas and facts to be found anywhere. 

ONe of the thing that you and and another person talked about.  flu shots.  I took my first flu shot in my life, in October 2007.  I decided not to do it again.  also a phnumonia shot, but will not try it again either.  After that flu shot, I had a hacking dry cough, that I could not get rid of.

It was in April this year, that I went into a really hard flare.  and now I wonder if the flu shot caused it.

Thank you for sharing

Hester

 


Lupus diagnosed 1996, Fibromyalgia diagnosed 1996, Heart by-pass 1998, breast cancer 2000, stroke2002, vascular surgery 2005, heart attack in 2007, and had a stint put in, Sjogren's Syndrome 2008, Stroke 11-4-08
 
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johnny1959
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   Posted 12/4/2008 3:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Hester

YES I STRONGLY BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT IT WAS THE FLU SHOT THAT COURSED IT, THEIRS MANY WEBSITES OUT THERE TO CONFIRM THIS FACT. , I WILL NOT LIST ANY WEBSITES SINCE I HAVE been WARNED, BUT HERE IS SOMETHING TO MAKE YOU THINK about OK, HEAVY METAL DETOX


In 1731, hat makers (also referred to as "Mad Hatter's") in London used mercury to shape hats and were found to experience nervous disorders, odd behavior, and even symptoms of madness.

We are renowned for our exceptional and unsurpassed testing and treatment for heavy metal toxicity. Mercury is the second most toxic element known to man and has been shown to be among the deadliest toxins. Even so, dentists still put it in our mouths on a daily basis and we can consume mercury in otherwise "safe" foods found in your local grocery store; such as tuna fish and salmon. Also, your trusty doctor will even inject this toxin into the bodies of your children in the form of vaccines and to the general population in the form of a flu shot.

Mercury toxicity has been linked to many different diseases; including:
• Arthritis
• Autism
• Brain Damage
• Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
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• Fibromyalgia
• Gastrointestinal Disorders • Kidney Damage
• Learning disabilities
• Lupus
• Multiple Sclerosis
• Nervous System
• Reproductive Disorders
• and more...
they have successfully treated hundreds of patients who are heavy metal toxic. they track their successes with laboratory testing, and most importantly, how the patient is feeling overall.

For over 14 years, they have found that toxic heavy metals are the primary underlying cause of most chronic illnesses and auto-immune disorders. This is a bold statement, but when these patients are treated, their reason for coming to us is resolved, and their health improves dramatically! This is a very complex new medicine that they are very knowledgeable in.

If you simply search the internet for "mercury toxicity", you will find that there are hundreds of sites that discuss the topic!
God bless you
PJ

Serina
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   Posted 12/5/2008 1:27 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Johnny,

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.  I am sort of scared to do some things, afraid I will make myself worse, if I do something to unbalance the quo.

It is interesting about the mercury poison though.  The problem finds me questioning and wondering why some of us become toxic and others do not.  The flu shot does not seem to have this same effect with everyone.   Maybe some of us have a sort of allegic reasons to respond

Hester


Lupus diagnosed 1996, Fibromyalgia diagnosed 1996, Heart by-pass 1998, breast cancer 2000, stroke2002, vascular surgery 2005, heart attack in 2007, and had a stint put in, Sjogren's Syndrome 2008, Stroke 11-4-08
 
******
aspirin, multivitamin, Arthrotec , Meclazine ,  plaquinil, Metoclopomide, Doxepin , Metoprolol, synthroid,  Amlodipine, Crestor, Lasinopril, Plavix, phenagrin,  Restasis  

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