Mold Spores (toxins) and Lupus?!

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peacesoul
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   Posted 7/1/2007 3:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone heard of the correlation between mold spores and a possible cause of lupus and other auto-immune illness?
 
 
this is only one site I found. The reason I was looking for this was b/c I just had a tenant move out of my from my basement apartment and when I went in there, his ENTIRE house was infested with black mold. I've heard of mold spores causes illness so decided to google it. I found out the toxins from molds can cause auto immune illness. His apartment is right under my house and there is no doubt that mold is seeping into my house. Interesting!
Anyone else have any info or heard of this?
 
Jen
 

PattyLatty
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   Posted 7/1/2007 4:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Jen, As you know, mold can be dangerous to your health. I would call you insurance company and have them send out an adjuster. They can get rid of the mold just as they would asbestos, but I'd let a professional do it. I believe that clorox gets rid of mold, but since you already have mold problems, I would look into this as soon as you can. I don't know whether it can cause autoimmune disease or not, but it's an interesting question. Let us know what you find out.

I hope you have success in getting rid of it.

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   Posted 7/2/2007 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Jen,

I agree. I know there are different types of molds, some harmless and some not. They can come out and test to see what kind it is and if its a hazard and the source of where its coming from. If its toxic, your insurance company might be able to provide temp housing until its been removed. Better to be safe!!

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   Posted 7/2/2007 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Jen,

Very interesting -- thanks. I have a fair amount of mold in the basement of my home and you have given me the idea to have it tested!

I did poke around some and I think there may be cheaper alternatives for testing. Will let you all know what looks best.

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   Posted 7/2/2007 11:32 AM (GMT -6)   
When I posted yesterday I had forgotten (brain fog or old age???) that a few years ago my insurance company paid to have a bathroom in one of my rentals completely gutted and rebuilt because of mold. We sometimes forget about using the insurance we spend so much money on.
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peacesoul
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   Posted 7/2/2007 3:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All, thanks for your input. I'll check with my insurance company to see if this sort of thing would be covered.
Tomorrow (today is a holiday in Canada) I will call a comany to come and check the mold.
This theory is very interesting. I've been living in this place for 13 yrs and I've been sick for 12...hmm! Since researchers and Doctors have NO CLUE what caused auto immune illness, I guess anything is possible.

Jen

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   Posted 7/2/2007 8:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Jen, that's an interesting question. When I've read about possible causes of lupus, I get the general feeling that most of us who get it have some kind of predisposition to have the disease and then something happens to us the "awaken" the disease and that event could be a traumatic event, exposure to toxins, having an illness, and I know there are other events too that could trigger the lupus. I hope I explained it right. Like you said, no one really knows for sure what causes lupus, these are just some of the theories I have read. Either way, you should definitely get the mold checked out.
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Victoria72
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   Posted 7/3/2007 8:24 AM (GMT -6)   

Jen,

We just found out last year that our house has the dangerous modl frm a plumbing leak we didnt know we had.  Last week, we were told that about 40% of the house has the mold problem, and that it has infested our heating and air system, ductwork, etc...  The worst of the mold is in and around my bathroom and bedroom.  I have not been ablet o affrod the 1000.00 deductible to have it removed, and from what I understand... its nearly impossible to get completely rid of. 

I am looking for something to rent now, though its hard to find a decent rental in our area.  I am seeing my lawyer today at 3:30 about just letting the bank have the house back.  I just cannot fight this anymore, and refuse to expose my four precious children to it a moment longer.

 


 
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   Posted 7/3/2007 9:39 AM (GMT -6)   
OMG, my basement is full of mold! My husband would go sray it with bleach when it would get real bad. I'm not talking regular mold, this stuff would get REAL thick & grow like white cob webby stuff off it. This article has really got me thinking. I was envolved in a medical survey & the woman would come to my home, she finally just came out & told me in all her yrs of doing this she felt I had a real problem & that I needed to look into why I was so sick & maybe even have my house tested. When I mentioned this to my husband he about hit the roof. He was affraid to call health dept in because he was affraid if it was toxic they would lock the house up.

peacesoul
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   Posted 7/3/2007 8:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow ladies. This is all very interesting! I will call the company tomorrow but I am worried that this mold is all over my house. If it is, I will move. I will not live like this.

Victoria, what was the mold spore toxin that was found? Did u get that tested?!

mustangjulie
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   Posted 7/4/2010 8:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Peacesoul, I moved into a very mold-infested house five years ago, and my first positive ANA test for lupus about six months after I moved in there, but the rheumies I saw didn't believe I had lupus at the time. (I had had fibro and other assorted health issues for over six years prior to that.) By the time we moved out last year, my health had declined significantly and when I went to the dr. I tested even more strongly for lupus with the ANA, plus other blood markers and symptoms also indicate it. My feeling is I may or may not have had it prior to moving into the mold-infested house, but the mold is definitely what triggered the lupus to go into a full-blown flare state.

My guess is it varies from person to person: if you are someone who is allergic to molds, you will be more likely for your immune system to be affected by the mold in terms of triggering lupus. But it is not good for anyone - the off-gasses the black mold puts off are neurotoxins, and can affect you when you don't even realize it. A quick google search tonight did find a link on Ehow saying straight out that there is a direct correlation with lupus, that it can trigger lupus and/or lupus flares in some people, and I suspect if I looked more, there would be more citations out there, although the health effects of mold is a relatively new area, and the research is scanty at present.

One last thing: be careful how you clean the area. Bleach can actually end up feeding the mold in some situations. White vinegar, oxy-clean type cleaners in a solution with water, and good old sunlight are much better than bleach. But be careful handling it - think containment as if it was radioactive! I mishandled my clothes washing them when we moved here (I washed everything!) and didn't wear gloves and a surgical mask. The skin on my hands peeled almost down to the flesh, and I got really sick and was bedridden for nearly a month from the intensive exposure. Remember mold feeds and thrives on anything organic - paper, natural fiber cloth, wood, etc. - the best thing is to just get rid of as much of that kind of thing as you can stand to, and wipe down everything. An English friend told me that in Great Britain they don't mess around, badly mold-infested homes and their contents are straight-out burned to the ground. After my experiences, I am not so sure that's not the smartest way to go.

Be careful, and I wish you the best of luck. Take care!

Post Edited (mustangjulie) : 7/4/2010 7:58:10 PM (GMT-6)


suetoo
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   Posted 7/8/2010 7:35 AM (GMT -6)   

Hi!

I vote with Pat and Des. You need professional, (and unfortunately not cheap) removal. I think they will wear respirators and white barrier suits, (yeah I know, I have been watching WAY TOO MUCH HGTV), And I think your public health dept. will come test it for you. And your insurance should help, don't let them railroad you into believing they won't. Stacchybotris (sp?) is very toxic, most household molds are NOT, and there are a gadzillion kinds of them, so don't panic. They just look scary. First thing to do is get rid of the water source that is making them happy and add light and dry air and double their rent,

hugs, suetoo

ps. there is some growing thought that the mold isn't a cause of autoimmune, but a trigger to an underlying disease that is just waiting for an opportunity to cause illness.
pps. goodest luck

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   Posted 7/8/2010 11:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Uh, guys? The original post on this was in summer of 2007, so I'm guessing the problem is fixed by now, or they moved, or the mold ate them. Just sayin'...
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suetoo
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   Posted 7/8/2010 11:33 AM (GMT -6)   

Hi! Guys,

Could it be a typo?? I am sure that note was at the top of my new topic column just this very day.....could the computer make a mistake??? Maybe it really meant July 3, 2010. I'm positive, ok... maybe not 100%, almost sure???? Sorta, it was??? tongue ok, blame it on .....

hugs, suetoo

 


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