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okie
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   Posted 10/21/2007 7:47 AM (GMT -7)   
My goodness I leave for a few days and it seems like there are a whole bunch of new people here. I'm glad everyone has found this great group but sad about their circumstances. Even though my rheumy said no lupus I am really glad I came here because PBC is an A/I also so I have already come into with my eyes open. Unfortunately there are still things I need to know and frankly I am up to my eyes balls in trying to understand it all. A couple of days ago I went through a total melt down. I sobbed, slept, couldn't eat. I just pray this is the last time they change my DX. How much is a person supposed to deal with? I've tried to ask questions be vigilant do everything I'm supposed to do and than Wham get hit with something else. I guess every  since being told I have asthma and treated for that for 6 years while my lungs slowly deteriorated. Just to be told you can stop taking this medicine you don't have asthma. Do you think they loose sleep over it? No they aren't the ones on o2 all the time! See this doctor see that doctor. How can so many doctors with the same training come up with so many different diagnosises? (if that's a word). What about when you take your car to a mechanic if they fix it wrong they have to fix it right. I don't understand why I had to pay for all the treatments I have gotten over the years for a disease I didn't have! skull . On top of that my rheumy who is so good hasn't even gotten the reports to my pcp yet. I called there and she has no idea what I am talking about with the PBC. eyes It's been 10 days. The rheumy's office said they have to send it off to be transcripted and mailed to my doctor. I'm thinking I just watched a western on t.v. about the pony express and it moved faster than that! mad Now I have a pulm. appt on the 6th in of course another town 90 min. from here. At least they got a military base and can go to the PX and do some shopping. Speaking of which my nephew is in the 45th oklahoma NG just left for fort bliss for 10 week b4 shipping out to Iraq please keep them in your thoughts and prayers.
Ok well that is my rant and my update. Barb I saw you posting the other day. It was great to see that.
Love to all
carol


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Carol
Primary Biliary Cirrosis,  COPD, Cervical Cancer survivor. Osteoporosis
Prednisone 5mg, Plaquanil 800mg,Evista60mg, Effexor 150mg, HCTZ25/Triamterene37.5mg,Xanax x3
 
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cured4real?
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   Posted 10/21/2007 10:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Carol,
This doesn't sound good. I'm sorry you have to go through all of this. I strongly suggest you get a second opinion on stopping your asthma meds and any others you feel really help you. If your pulmonology tests show you have asthma, then you need the medicine. PBC is an AI disease which attacks your liver, and liver damage/disease CAUSES AI problems in other areas of your body and other AI diseases, including lupus. I am diagnosed with secondary lupus-like disease stemming from liver disease. I have COPD because the lungs and liver are directly tied. Your liver controls your allergic response, which is caused by histamines which are produced by the liver. Also, I don't remember what they did to diagnose your PBC, but if they didn't actually look at the liver, it can be guesswork. I don't want to say you have lupus, maybe you don't, but your other problems like asthma found along the way still need to be treated and AI liver disease can have all the manifestations of lupus, which is why they have trouble with misdiagnosing the two. My liver disease has caused sjogrens with extreme constant inflamation of the lacrimal glands and chronic sinusitis, IBS/diverticulosis/misc gi irritation/nausea, pancreatic insufficiency, vitiligo and hyperpigmentation, other skin problems, COPD with chronic bronchitis, severe RLL pneumonia--no cause--AI, multiple endocrine deficiencies and AI diseases of endo, chronic inflammatory bladder disease, severe crippling and damaging osteoarthritis of the spine with scoliosis, stenosis, bone spurs, and lots of degeneration of disk and bone. And there is more. All of this began on a single day when I was twenty-eight with the onset of liver disease, so they are definitely related. I was healthy prior. I don't want to scare you or anything, but what I'm saying is that everything shouldn't change with the new diagnosis, especially if certain meds helped you. I don't blame you at all for feeling frustrated, scared and confused. I just think that the doc advising you on the PBC is maybe not knowledgeable about all the other problems it can cause. My hepatologist is like, chicken and egg, who knows what caused what.

I would definitely get a second rheumie opinion and see a really good hepatologist if you can do these things. If not, I would at least post on the web. You might be able to email one of the docs at Borland-Groover, where I go and people fly in from all over to go there because they are state of the art, or at a medical center or college and just kind of mention what your docs are doing, if it seems wrong to you or you are afraid about the changes. They may be able to help. I'm worried about you, Carol, because its sounds like in a way they are saying,"oh, PBC, well, your not sick with anything else, don't need these meds" and for so long they seemed maybe to help you?

AI liver disease, or even liver disease that causes AI problems, is not very different from lupus in a lot of ways, and lack of anti-ds-dna really doesn't matter that much if your body is obviously under attack and you have antibodies to other parts of your body. I know my rheumie would still be treating my AI like lupus even though it was probably caused from NASH/interferon? due to symptoms and other bloodwork.

Liver disease can seem daunting and just as bad in some people as SLE, but the good news is that the liver does heal, diet makes a huge difference, as does medicines. Perhaps its not so much that they want to take you off everything permanently as that they want to give your liver a rest and give you only just what you need? I don't know, but please know you are in my thoughts and prayers and I wondered when you were going to post again and how things are going.
Love, Marji
--Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less in human beings of whom they know nothing.--Voltaire (1694-1778)
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AlwaysRosie
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   Posted 10/21/2007 11:57 AM (GMT -7)   
((((((((((Carol)))))))))) what a scary spot to be in. I'm so glad Marji knows knows a lot about the PBC . . I'm just trying to catch on to some of it.

I sure can't add anything about that . . . but, really, 10 days isn't a long time for the transcript to be prepared and disseminated. The doc writing it may not even have all the info to write it yet. Did they actually give you a timeline when it might be ready?? Hang in there Carol . . . your emotional energy is very valuable and very limited so try not to waste it stressing. You did good by telling your rheumy what you know so far. *sigh* I feel so bad for you sis. Thanks for the update . . . I hope you'll keep posting and let us know how all of this goes. Sending you a hot cup of tea!!

Blessings!

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omega
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   Posted 10/21/2007 12:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Carol. We missed you here. I am sorry to hear the things you are going through. I do not know much about PBC, but I am sure Marji and others can give you lots of support and advice. Hang in there.
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okie
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   Posted 10/21/2007 9:01 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Marji, Rosie, and Omega, thanks for responding to my post. Somtimes I just get angry and don't know what to do with it so I come here and rant and you are all so understanding.

Marji,  thank you for all the info you sure have gone thru alot! I guess I didn't explain myself very well about the asthma. I was told in 98 I had asthma and than in 03 I didn't have asthma I had COPD. So that was when I stoped taking the asthma meds. Some of them I still take like advair but the took me off the alburteral and put me on spiriva and changed my nebulizer to xopenex. I was really worried about the change at the time so I slowly quit taking the albuteral and he was right I never had asthma.

I am however like you said wondering about the COPD being related to the PBC. I too have the RLL with pnemonia. Which I seem to get about 2 or 3 times a year. I have an appt: to get my flu and pnemonia shot on the 31. The rheumy only came to his conclusions by an exam and my lab tests. I am curious though because my phosphate levels are too low and I have read the with PBC  they should be high. All though I know so little about all of this that I could be totally wrong. He wants me to go see somone about doing a liver biopsy but he needs to go over this with my PCP. He did however say I need to stay on the plaquenil and predisone. I just want this set up and done with and get confirmation. One way or another about what is going on with me. If you ever run accrossed any website or anything that you think could clear things up a little for me please send me an email. I would appreciate that. With your liver problems do certain foods make you sick? I had a baked potato with sour cream and some bacon bits and butter and I feel like I'm gonna get sick to my stomach.

Hi Rosie, ya got any tension tammer tea? I could use some of that. No they didn't give me any info on how long it would take. I just figured they would right something on paper and send it off. I guess I just want everything right now! LOL. I will try to calm down though I am feeling a bit better though. I've still got your SIL in my prayers.

Hi Omega, thanks hun. I actually really miss being here too. Since they changed my DX I have kind of felt funny about saying much since this group is really about Lupus. I don't want to confuse the new people here. But you guys are never far from my thoughts and prayers.

take care and thanks again ladies

love

carol


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Carol
Primary Biliary Cirrosis,  COPD, Cervical Cancer survivor. Osteoporosis
Prednisone 5mg, Plaquanil 800mg,Evista60mg, Effexor 150mg, HCTZ25/Triamterene37.5mg,Xanax x3
 
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AlwaysRosie
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   Posted 10/22/2007 4:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Carol . . . the anti-anxiety tea is on the way . . .

Your posts are very helpful because it helps members to watch for certain things. This disease is like a camellian and we just think we have it figured out and it morfs. You and Marji have helped me understand why the docs are suspecting Lupus in my SIL. This really looks like one bigger disease . . . they've just divided it into categories.

Members learn to ignore topics they aren't interested in . . . so post away!!

Blessings!

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okie
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   Posted 10/22/2007 10:19 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks Rosie I appreciate that. I know what you mean about all this A/I stuff being like one big disease. Besides what Marji wrote I have found out that it is not uncommon for  people with PBC also have sjogren, celtic disorder, scleroderma , and CREST. eyes

I am not gonna wait around this time to let them try this or that. I've got the pulm. about on the 6th I'm gonna tell them to do a biopsy and let's figure it out. I'm gonna tell the liver doctor that I do indeed want a biopsy for that too. As much as I would rather not go through this stuff I am tired of hit and miss . I have insurance I have reached my catetrophic cap. If they do it before the first of the year it will be 100% paid for so they shouldn't have a problem with that.

Boy I'm getting grouchy and demanding in my old age ain't I? If I can't get results from them there are alot of fish in the ocean so to speak.

Ok I feel a rant again LOL so I think I'll go. but thank you for your kindness about keeping me around and that it doing some good to discuss it. With all the other problems that come with it, it kind of makes ya wonder how many people on here also have it that don't even know it?

love ya

carol


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Carol
Primary Biliary Cirrosis,  COPD, Cervical Cancer survivor. Osteoporosis
Prednisone 5mg, Plaquanil 800mg,Evista60mg, Effexor 150mg, HCTZ25/Triamterene37.5mg,Xanax x3
 
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AlwaysRosie
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   Posted 10/22/2007 5:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Right Carol . . . everyone sharing their info is SO helpful. I understand how you feel about getting the biopsy's . . . I hope you'll let us know what your doc's decide. *sigh* You know you are sick when you are ASKING for the procedures. I hope it helps to determine the proper course of treatment. I agree that all of this illness wouldn't be near as bad if you knew you were taking proper aim at with meds, etc. Rant well received *Rosie salutes Carol*.

Keep us posted!

Blessings!

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cured4real?
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   Posted 10/23/2007 9:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Carol--
Primary Biliary Cirrhosis is an autoimmune disease and I'm not even sure how much the hepatologist does as far as maintenance. The liver forums can be kind of hard to deal with because there are some really really really sick people dying and a lot of transplants and such and I don't know, I found it hard. I've not had much success with replies to posts. I just don't seem to be sick enough for them. Then the autoimmune problems that accompany our respective diseases are out of the realm and they take different meds too. You will likely be on some of the same meds, I think, the immunosuppressants. I recently found a decent site and realized I have every problem listed that goes with PBC and I'm wondering if anyone tested me for it (duh!). Fatty liver isn't much different, just doesn't effect the bile ducts but the rest of the liver, the big brown part. Anyway, it was the mayoclinic site and they do have an ask a specialist. A good liver forum outside of the healing well one is called Hepatitis Neighborhood and many people there have other liver problems and they have live chats with state of the art hepatologists and they get really technical sometimes and there are nurses and stuff there. I would definitely eventually want a biopsy, but I would make them do some less invasive stuff first to rule out any problems the biopsy doesn't show. After all, they only get a needle size slice or slices if they do multiples and it hurts and is risky, so I would have them check your liver out to make sure you don't have any lumps on it or any other abnormalcies of the blood vessels or bile ducts or stones. MRIs and ultrasounds are good to look at the whole thing and there are special tests to check out the bile ducts to judge the amount of scarring. I dont' see how a regular biopsy would tell them that in a good way. It may show them if cirrhosis has spread or if you have fatty liver or infection, but I dont' understand how the biopsy works. There is an alternate biopsy method which goes through the bile ducts like a scope thing and that would make sense, but I'm not a hepatologist, but you might ask for some clarification of what they expect to find with the biopsy and see if they can't do some less invasive stuff first so that when they biopsy, they get any questionable areas. The biopsy will hurt, I would suggest taking three days off instead of the one, so that you can lay down on your side and let it heal for sure, because we have other problems and it might not clot up as fast and heal as fast and it just plain hurts and I would get pain meds after. You need to becareful getting out of the car and into the house and to bed afterward, someone needs to hold your arm. I fell after mine and it could have hemorrhaged. I was lucky. Anyway, they can't give you anesthesia when they do the regular in the side biopsy because you have to help them by breathing. They may give you a valium and local but it still feels like what it is. I've had at least four that I can remember, maybe five and will probably end up having more as my disease progresses. Its just something you get used to. I always ask for a shot afterward because I won't stay still otherwise and get pain meds because I had to suffer through it without any, so I feel I should get something to keep me down and heal. Make sure you really trust the doc doing this and ask how many he has done. If you feel comfortable that he does them all the time, then that's fine. A hepatologist will do more of them. If they want to do an ultrasound guided biopsy, it can be a sign the doc is not comfortable doing it, or just means he want's to pick and choose where he gets tissue from. Anyway, the only one I ever had guided, I could tell the doc was not as experienced, he is primarily gi, and he was slower than a hepatologist so it was more painful. I will get my next biopsy from my fancy hepatologist. You don't have to leave here, I hate to say it but you may have secondary lupus like me, caused by the liver disease, so that's why your anti-ds-dna may be negative, because you didn't inherit lupus, you developed it. As liver disease progresses you can develop anti-ds-dna btw. I would say please do the ultrasound and MRI or other similar test before the biopsy. It will give the docs better info to be more successful with the biopsy. You wouldn't want them to have to do it twice or miss your liver. After all, they just jam a needle in your side and can't see anything.

Diet is really important with liver disease and carbs are killers, though fats often aren't as bad as you might think. You might try to see if the carbs bother you, or the fats do. If the carbs are ok, then maybe it is bile duct related, since fats aggravate like gallbladder and bile problems, if fats are ok and carbs bother you, maybe you have fatty liver like me. It sounds like your rheumie is making a best guess right now and you really need to see a hepatologist. It is likely he will start with bloodwork and an ultrasound and go from there. Fatty liver is a lousy disease, especially when it progresses alot. If your alk phos is low, perhaps you have acute non-alcoholic fatty liver, but he may be looking at the CREST, which is common with PBC and anti-mitochondrial antibodies, and smooth muscle antibodies all of which are indicative of PBC or autoimmune hepatitis. your alk phos might not be elevated now because it is not that bad right now. Are you jaundiced? It can be hard to tell, you need to look under your tongue and at your eyeballs. If they are yellow then you are jaundiced. You need good lighting for that too. I seldom get jaudiced (back up of bile due to bile duct inflammation or scarring) because my bile ducts are not yet effected. Some people do get jaundiced from backup of bile due to inflammation of the other part of the liver, but even in acute disease, I was never really badly jaundiced until now. You can get stones too, and gallstones can cause some problems. I think a good hepatologist should sort all that out. I would take the rheumies dx with a grain of salt until the hepatologist runs all his tests and procedures on you. Well, I wish so much for you that you are ok and that if you do have PBC, they caught it early so you can avoid damage, the prognosis is good if caught early and treated, there is no lifespan shortening according to mayo. My dad's liver is really bad and he still drinks occasionally and he is seventy and in pretty great shape and exercses alot and stuff, but he is being treated for his fatty liver and following a diet. He shouldn't drink. I don't drink, follow my diet and take my meds and my liver enzymes are normal and have been for a while. Well, I will keep you in my prayers. Here's the mayo link: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/primary-biliary-cirrhosis/DS00604/DSECTION=1
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/primarybiliarycirrhosis/index.htm
www.liverfoundation.org
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic223.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_biliary_cirrhosis
Love, Marji
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   Posted 10/24/2007 10:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Carol, sorry I got to this kind of late, I just wanted to let you know that my heart went out to you when I read your posts. I don't think a lot of docs (even the good ones) really know what it does to us when diagnoses keep getting changed or deleted or added - it's like being on a ride you can't get off of, and just when you think you have the hang of how to steer, a new loop or dip or drop-off gets added and the ride feels out of control again. I can certainly understand how emotional you are feeling about this. We're going through a lot of this with my son right now and it brings back lots of unpleasant memories of what I went through to get diagnosed.

Hang in there and know we are always here for you.

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   Posted 10/24/2007 12:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Carol,

I'm so sorry I haven't been here for you while you've been going through this nightmare. I want to give you a great big hug and tell you that this is a support group, not a "members only" club. We all have one kind of AI disease or another and you're one of the most involved and compassionate people here. I think that finding a good liver forum could be a good place for you to find more info about your liver disease, but you just can't leave HW. It would leave too much of a void here. As you know, just because this is called a lupus forum, it really encompasses lots of other AI diseases and even folks who don't have a diagnosis.

I know what it's like to have a chronic illness, but I can't imagine having more than one and having to deal with them while living alone. You're a strong woman and a good friend.

I'll keep your nephew in my prayers. And you're always in my prayers.

Love,

Pat
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   Posted 10/24/2007 10:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Carol,
You can't leave us! You simply can't!!! Who else will lead us in silly-ness when we so need it??? Who else knows how to make us laugh over nothing--just because???

We don't care what they say you have. For all we know PBC means Princess Be-Our-Friend Carol.

So I say, you better keep posting.

xoxo emmie
PS And you better keep after those docs to do the tests and biopsies they need to do to figue out what is going on so you can get the correct treatment. That is not being a pushy, crabby b**ch. It is being a smart, proactive patient who wants the best care she can get.
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okie
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   Posted 10/25/2007 2:07 AM (GMT -7)   

WWWWWWWW shucks Emmie! I won't quit posting until they tell me posting is going to make my fingers fall off. even then I still got my toes :-) . Boy I sure mess our silly chats about nothing. So how's everyone in your family doing? Mines getting married (again) LOL. hopfully this time a little older and a little wiser but then again ya never know. I'll try to keep up more. Now that it's getting colder I won't be out in this crap as much. My son wants me to go to Montana for christmas! smurf . He said we can go skiing. Yeah right I can go down hill with an oxygen pack on my back. Or I could light a fire under it and fly down that sucker like underdog. tongue

love ya

carol


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Carol
Primary Biliary Cirrosis,  COPD, Cervical Cancer survivor. Osteoporosis
Prednisone 5mg, Plaquanil 800mg,Evista60mg, Effexor 150mg, HCTZ25/Triamterene37.5mg,Xanax x3
 
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okie
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   Posted 10/25/2007 5:03 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Hippi and Patty, Thanks so much for posting back to me. You guys are what keep me coming back. Hippi I feel so badly about your son. I just pray the doctors can help him. I know it's just tearing you up as well.

Patty thank hun, I sure do miss you. It seems we keep missing each other on here lately. I have gotten to read about your allergies to food though. How is that going? See even when i don't post I read what is going on with everyone.

I would love to write more but I have been up all night. I ran out of pain meds and the doctor won't refilled it until the end of next week. She just doesn't give me enough and I can't make it on what she gives me. I'd ask her for something for break through pain but she is such a stickler. I 'm not sure I can handle this for another 6 days.

Well I'm gonna try to rest a little more

God bless and thank you for your prayers for Derrick and the 45th NG!

carol


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Primary Biliary Cirrosis,  COPD, Cervical Cancer survivor. Osteoporosis
Prednisone 5mg, Plaquanil 800mg,Evista60mg, Effexor 150mg, HCTZ25/Triamterene37.5mg,Xanax x3
 
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