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baileygirl76
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   Posted 10/13/2008 1:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Help! I am a healthy eater but not healthy enough.  Help guide me to the right diet!
Thanks!!
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Razzle
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   Posted 10/13/2008 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Many LLMD's recommend an anti-inflammatory diet:

Avoid: dairy (except yogurt/kefir), Wheat/Gluten (wheat, rye, barley, oats), sugar (and corn syrup, etc., & artificial sweeteners), alcoholic beverages, soda pop, coffee, artificial foods, "junk food." Limit red meat consumption.

Good to eat (organic is best, but do what you can): fresh fruits & vegetables, gluten-free whole grains (rice, corn, etc.), lean meats (poultry, fish) & eggs.

You might look into the Specific Carbohydrate Diet or the Paleo Diet for recipe and meal planning ideas.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Vitamin B12 Shots, Heparin (to flush PICC line).


Flowerpoddess
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   Posted 10/13/2008 5:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Oatmeal is wheat?? And, gluten-free rice? Brown rice?
Interstital Cystisis or Chronic Recurrent UTIs - No treatment currently, but hoping while treating the Bartonella, the body will be strong enough to kill the UTIs on it's own.
 
Bartonella - Biaxin
 
Nystatin with antibiotic
 
Garlic pills
 
Vitamin E 400IU
 
Probiotics, two hours after antibiotics


Cmacaran
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   Posted 10/13/2008 6:35 PM (GMT -6)   
My best diet is Basically organic veggies, veggie juice and organic meats. No processed food at all. No fruit juice, no artificial sweetners. No sugar, caffene, wheat, processed grains (whole grains are fine). Only occassional fresh fruit, don't let it become a sugar substitute.

Razzle
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   Posted 10/13/2008 7:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Oatmeal in the USA is cross-contaminated with gluten (usually from wheat) due to how the grains are stored/transported. Gluten-free oats are available, but are very expensive. All rice is considered gluten-free because it does not contain the same proteins that cause Celiac Disease that wheat/rye/barley contain. Brown rice is whole grain, whereas white rice usually has been processed to remove the bran (fiber).

Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Vitamin B12 Shots, Heparin (to flush PICC line).


Flowerpoddess
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   Posted 10/14/2008 9:55 AM (GMT -6)   
What are some other type of whole grain? Razzle, you mentioned, all rice is considered gluten-free but in another post someone mentioned, rice = carbohydrates = sugar and to stay away? That is the reason why I switched it to brown rice to stay more "natural".
Interstital Cystisis or Chronic Recurrent UTIs - No treatment currently, but hoping while treating the Bartonella, the body will be strong enough to kill the UTIs on it's own.
 
Bartonella - Biaxin
 
Nystatin with antibiotic
 
Garlic pills
 
Vitamin E 400IU
 
Probiotics, two hours after antibiotics


hezzer926
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   Posted 10/14/2008 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   
My LLMD actually told me to have oatmeal for breakfast and that she has lyme and has it every morning?

Flowerpoddess
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   Posted 10/16/2008 9:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Some doctors don't seem to know anything, that's what I can say but I don't know if Oatmeal is bad.

Razzle - The Oatmeal I get is Quaker brand and it's made from whole grain or something, is that bad? You mentioned gluten and you mentioned grain free oats but brown rice is also a whole grain, I'm so confused.
Interstital Cystisis or Chronic Recurrent UTIs - No treatment currently, but hoping while treating the Bartonella, the body will be strong enough to kill the UTIs on it's own.
 
Bartonella - Biaxin
 
Nystatin with antibiotic
 
Garlic pills
 
Vitamin E 400IU
 
Probiotics, two hours after antibiotics


maggiemoo
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   Posted 10/16/2008 9:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Following a wheat free diet can really help your body by decreasing the foods you eat which are causing inflamation. If you look at the gluten free diet, which is what people who are sensitive or allergic to gluten(aka wheat, rye, barley and oats) follow you will learn alot. There is so much wonderful information at Celiac.com.
I have been gluten free for 4 years and for me, my allergy is so severe I look at any product with gluten as posion. I use soy, rice and potatoe flours for my baking and enjoy many of my traditional recipes that I converted to gluten free.
So you don't have to be allergic to gluten to follow the diet. It's simply a true whole food way of eating by avoiding the processed foods and enjoying more fruits and veggies.
Maggie

maggiemoo
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   Posted 10/17/2008 9:15 PM (GMT -6)   

lita31,

You can buy or make Ezekial bread & Manna bread as your traditional grain or you can go gluten free.  There are recipes for both on several baking web sites.  The flours used for gluten free diet is soy, potato, rice bean or corn. They are all very easy to work with and although the texture sometimes come out different then the original recipe it's still good.

I hope that answers your question,

maggie


kandinsky
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   Posted 10/18/2008 8:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi lita31~

Ezekial bread is sprouted so it is easier to digest than other processed wheat/grain products. I haven'te seen any that are gluten free.

maggiemoo
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   Posted 10/19/2008 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   

The gluten free version was in a recipe link to gluten free breads.

maggie


Razzle
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   Posted 10/22/2008 11:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Flowerpoddess said...
Some doctors don't seem to know anything, that's what I can say but I don't know if Oatmeal is bad.

Razzle - The Oatmeal I get is Quaker brand and it's made from whole grain or something, is that bad? You mentioned gluten and you mentioned grain free oats but brown rice is also a whole grain, I'm so confused.

"Whole grain" just means that the fiber (bran) has not been milled away; it is a term that can apply to any grain (wheat, rye, barley, oats, corn, rice, etc.).  I actually said oats are often cross-contaminated with gluten from wheat/rye/barley here in the USA, but there are companies who sell oats which do not have this cross-contamination and therefore are safe for those trying to avoid gluten.
 
"Gluten" is a type of protein found in wheat, rye, and barley (and in cross-contaminated oats); this is the protein that causes the inflammation and symptoms seen in those with Celiac Disease.
 
I hope this helps clarify...take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-J Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Vitamin B12 Shots, Heparin (to flush PICC line).


Flowerpoddess
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   Posted 10/24/2008 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for your response Razzle. I get that explaination, I guess I'll have to check out if the Oats I'm eating are gluten free, which I don't think it is.

maggiemoo - You mentioned potato and corn flour etc etc for baking, but I avoid potatoes and anything that's sweet. Potato has high potassium and carbohydrates so the flour? . . .

I'm at a lost on what to eat really. I can't have nuts, tomatoes, sugar, spicy food, rice, potatoes, bread, milk, soda, coffee and fruits (That's all I can remember now)

What do you you others eat? Especially those with Bartonella and bladder issue, please please help. I'm eating brown rice just about everyday and oats
Interstital Cystisis or Chronic Recurrent UTIs - No treatment currently, but hoping while treating the Bartonella, the body will be strong enough to kill the UTIs on it's own.
 
Bartonella - Biaxin
 
Nystatin with antibiotic
 
Garlic pills
 
Vitamin E 400IU
 
Probiotics, two hours after antibiotics


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/24/2008 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
What can you eat????
Here it is
Meats (oranic and grassfed)
lamb
turkey
fish( deep water and water fish)
game meats (wild)
beef
chicken

Dairy:
Goat or sheep cheese
rice or Nut Milk
Eggs (oranic)

Grains:
Brown rice
Buskwheet
Oats
Quinoa
Splet
Millet

Vegatables:
Legumes
Peas
All vegs, but not ones on aviod list

Fruits:
Apples
Pears
Berries
peaches
All fruits but not ones on avoid list

Drinks:
Water
Fruit juice ( fresh or no sugar added)
Veg. Juice (not canned)
Tea (green or herbal)

Others / tips
Fresh seasonal oranic fruits and veg.

At least 8-10 glasses of fresh purified water daily

ok...my eyes ar hurting now..lol
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/24/2008 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
What can you eat????
Here it is
Meats (oranic and grassfed)
lamb
turkey
fish( deep water and water fish)
game meats (wild)
beef
chicken

Dairy:
Goat or sheep cheese
rice or Nut Milk
Eggs (oranic)

Grains:
Brown rice
Buskwheet
Oats
Quinoa
Splet
Millet

Vegatables:
Legumes
Peas
All vegs, but not ones on aviod list

Fruits:
Apples
Pears
Berries
peaches
All fruits but not ones on avoid list

Drinks:
Water
Fruit juice ( fresh or no sugar added)
Veg. Juice (not canned)
Tea (green or herbal)

Others / tips
Fresh seasonal oranic fruits and veg.

At least 8-10 glasses of fresh purified water daily

ok...my eyes are hurting now..lol
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Razzle
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   Posted 10/24/2008 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Vegetables (lettuce, zucchini, celery, etc.), meats, eggs - do these things bother your bladder? You might also look up the Specific Carbohydrate Diet and see what kind of recipes they have available for ideas, and you could probably adapt any of their recipes that contain the other things you're trying to avoid. Another thing you might be able to eat is the bran from grains, such as rice bran or oat bran - the bran is the fiber part and it does not contain the starch (sugar) or protein parts of the grain. The advantage is that the bran is good for your intestinal tract and helps regulate blood sugar when eaten with foods that contain natural sugars.

I hope this helps - take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-J Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Vitamin B12 Shots, Heparin (to flush PICC line).


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/24/2008 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Avoid list:

Meats:
pressed meats, cold cuts, hot dogs
pork
Shellfish

Dairy:
cow mile
eggs (non organic)
Butter/Margarine
Yogurt
Ice Cream....oh stop crying...:>)
Sour cream

Grains:
Wheat (gluten)
Refined Flour ( white bread, rolls)
White rice
Soy(tofu)
Rye
Barley

Vegetables:
Corn
Ice burg lettuce.
White potatoes
Canned vegetables

Fruits:
Oranges
Bananas
Tropical Fruits
Canned Fruits

Drinks:
Alcohol
Coffee
Processed Tea
Soda...duh...
Sport drinks
Juice ( concentrate & high sugar)
Soy milk
Caffeine

Others:
All other products rich in refined sugar sugar, MSG, Food dyes and preservatives.
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/24/2008 1:30 PM (GMT -6)   
This is the diet that was given to me by one of the top LLMD's in the country. He also has had lyme.
So I am sharing it with you all.
But don't shoot the messenger..I almost got a headache typing all of that out....LoL
:>0
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


maggiemoo
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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:46 PM (GMT -6)   

Martha's vineyard,

Thanks for all that work typing the list of foods to eat and also avoid. I've followed a total gluten free diet for 2 years now and it's overwhelming at first, but once I changed my kitchen around and looked at recipes to fit my diet it wasn't  and isn't that hard.

Going gluten free is one of those things that I say to myself "NOTHING TO IT BUT TO DO IT".  AND ... I feel better being gluten free. less joint pain, less GI trouble, less respiratory problems. 

maggie

Bitten by tick in 1989 (20 years ago)

Dx with Lyme's in 1993.  Treated for 8 years with amoxil.

Now dx with babesia last this month.


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/25/2008 11:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Maggie, you cannot take amoxy for 8 years. It does not work. ABX for a long term can kill you. And now the flu could kill you. Look into something else....like silver.
amoxy can work if you find the tick and then take 1,200 for 30-40 days..but then that is it.
taking pills just go through your stomach, can ruin your stomach and make you pee blood through your rectum..been there...done that...lol
too many abx can also cause severe nuerological problems...lol...been there and done that.
One only has to look on line and see how many deaths are caused a year by over dosing on abx.
You could get re infected every year..unless you are going to live in a padded room. Getting your mail.
Oral abx do not pennetrate your brian. It does not go deep tissue. Lyme does. It uses your blood like a subway. It does not hang there. It is a cork screw, it goes deep tissue.
You need silver that is a arrow shape that will go deep after it.
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/25/2008 11:31 PM (GMT -6)   
It cost me 40,000 to get that diet put into my hands. Not including the 1,600 a night that it is costing me to be here a night. I thought I would be so sick while I was here that I would need room service. And since I could not be trusted in a kitchen before I got here lol.....I would cut myself to pieces and could not even figure out my stove or oven any more..
I am a gourmet cook..
But now I feel so well...And I am so bored....But I feel good for the first time in 4 year....now I just have to save my children...and my dogs....and so many other people....
I have o figure out a way to get this to everyone...to open some eyes....I am good at raising hell.......
I have a moral obligation to help kids every where with this....so...I have a lot of work ahead of me.
In the mean time...I think it is total bs that it took me 4 years to find this....and do not understand why this is the only place in the USA that offers this treatment....only one..and let me tell you...it is busy!
But they should everywhere.....I am working on it
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Flowerpoddess
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   Posted 12/12/2008 1:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello Martha and Razzle,

Sorry I haven't responded in a long time. The diet you mentioned thanks for it but let's see with my bladder condition.

What can you eat????
Here it is
Meats (oranic and grassfed)
lamb
turkey
fish( deep water and water fish)
game meats (wild)
beef
chicken

(I only eat fish [fish fillets, sardines and salmon are those okay?], chicken and shrimp which you didn't state? Hotdogs are a no no huh . . . blah) Problem is many chicken is cooked with lemon or honey and they irritate the bladder and same goes for bbq sauce so? I'm clueless.

Dairy:
Goat or sheep cheese
rice or Nut Milk
Eggs (oranic)

(Rice milk is okay? Razzle is that true? I'm abit confused with avoiding rice and the milk being okay. Oat milk is too? Goat Milk? Butter and Margarine are bad so that means lightly buttered popcorn is no good? What about organic rice cake and I see in the ingredients of some things there is orangic evapourated cane sugar, a no no? I'll look into organic egg)

Grains:
Brown rice
Buskwheet
Oats
Quinoa
Splet
Millet

(but don't breads contain yeast? like Buskwheet. Many ingredients of products have flour in it . . . so that's bad then?)

Vegatables:
Legumes
Peas
All vegs, but not ones on aviod list

(Well you mentioned corn so that means popcorn is out then . . )

Fruits:
Apples
Pears
Berries
peaches
All fruits but not ones on avoid list

(I can't eat any fruits)

Drinks:
Water
Fruit juice ( fresh or no sugar added)
Veg. Juice (not canned)
Tea (green or herbal)

(Can't have any tea or fruit juice)

Others / tips
Fresh seasonal oranic fruits and veg.

(Can't eat fruits)

Christmas is coming up and I can't seem to find friendly chicken recipes. I see butter or citrus in them, so any suggestions?
Interstital Cystisis or Chronic Recurrent UTIs - No treatment currently, but hoping while treating the Bartonella, the body will be strong enough to kill the UTIs on it's own.
 
Bartonella - Biaxin
 
Nystatin with antibiotic
 
Garlic pills
 
Vitamin E 400IU
 
Probiotics, two hours after antibiotics


Flowerpoddess
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   Posted 12/13/2008 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
bump
Interstital Cystisis or Chronic Recurrent UTIs - No treatment currently, but hoping while treating the Bartonella, the body will be strong enough to kill the UTIs on it's own.
 
Bartonella - Biaxin
 
Nystatin with antibiotic
 
Garlic pills
 
Vitamin E 400IU
 
Probiotics, two hours after antibiotics


Sulma
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   Posted 12/13/2008 8:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Flowerpoddess said...
Some doctors don't seem to know anything, that's what I can say but I don't know if Oatmeal is bad.

Razzle - The Oatmeal I get is Quaker brand and it's made from whole grain or something, is that bad? You mentioned gluten and you mentioned grain free oats but brown rice is also a whole grain, I'm so confused.


Flower, unless you are extremely sensitive to gluten, the very small trace amounts that end up in a cannister of Quaker oats is not going to be enough to cause a problem. The oats we eat have teeny amounts of gluten that would only cause a problem for someone with severe sensitivity to it, like with Celiac's or UC.

I have been experimenting with a gluten free diet for some time now, and have definitely noticed a symptom reduction. I also eat two cups of Quaker oats every day. Now yesterday I ate two hot dogs, on wheat buns, and holy crap my joints are killing me today. That's the king of gluten intake to avoid! tongue (be a looooong time before I eat wheat again)
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