Oral hydrogen peroxide for lyme cure?

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Moodymama
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   Posted 11/3/2008 9:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi, I"m new and found this site by chance when scouring the net for info on all my symptoms........no, I haven't been diagnosed with lyme. I've been to many doctors over the past several years, I've been diagnosed with IBS, (very constipated and once in a great while, sudden diarrhea with intense stomach cramping), tender stomach, stabbing pain in my groin that happens suddenly, pulses for several moments or minutes, then goes away,,,,,,,, lupus but no positive ANA, chronic fatique syndrome, mitro valve prolaps, dry eyes, depression, unexplained weight gain, I have something like shortness of breath - feels like I can't take a deep breath and I'm "air starved" (can last for a few days or a few minutes)  and heart pounding so much that it feels its "vibrating" my brain when I lay down, severe and chronic stomach bloating accompanied with gas at times, stuttering on some words at times, indecisiveness, can't remember hardly anthing and ose things all the time, disorganized, blurred vision, ear ringing, tongue feels thick at times when I talk and I get a "lisp", disorientation (got "lost" at walmart one day when I was by myself, I knew i was in walmart, but suddenly my sense of where I was in the store was off, and I felt light headed,,,,,,weird. And happens sometimes when I'm driving. I have sudden intense anger that just wells up when I'm irritated, not everyday but it does happen, consistent low blood pressure (90/60 or lower), cough, numbness in big toes and sometimes a burning sensation, especially when I get into a hot tub of water, numbness in hands/fingers and pains down arm, feeling like an insect is crawling on my legs, muscle twitches, mostly in my legs, very large frequent "fever blisters" and raw spots in mouth, frequent yeast infections, a white film under my tongue and sometimes on the side of my cheek, anxiety, occasional nausea (vomit at times), weakness and chills for no reason, goes away if I lay down for 30 minutes or sothat I can brush off with a tooth brushdark blue veins in my chest, arms and legs.......,  I had a hysterectomy recently due to severe anemia, stiff neck and sore shoulder/neck muscles, pain that has settled in my lower back and sometimes I can't stand up straight after sitting, and it goes ON.
 
Now if you read all that, thank you. Just wanted to get some feed back from anyone on these symptoms, they are affecting my life and I have a 13 year old and a 17 year old that don't understand why mom doesn't feel well. I'm tired of being sick and doctors just wave me off and think I'm a hypochondriac. I seem to be easily dismissed and not taken seriously and its making me ANGRY.
 
I had a conversation with a woman at a softball game that told me she had lyme and got to the point where she was bedridden. Said she went to a dr. that told her to take oral hydrogen peroxide pills (I had never heard of them?). She said it worked and she feels great. Anyone ever heard of this or tried this????
 
Thanks for any replies, I've read through the messages and there are alot of people here with good information...........hope to get to know you all.!

Dowa
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   Posted 11/3/2008 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I have never heard of HP pills but a doctor I was seeing wanted me to do HP ivs and I did not do them. Have you had a Lyme test through Igenex? That is where you need to start. I read your post and I think you will find that everyone here has one or some of your symptoms. Keep reading as you will get alot of information here from other peoples  posts. Take care D

Moodymama
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   Posted 11/3/2008 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Dowa,
Thanks for replying. I have not had a Lyme test nor has Lyme disease every been mentioned as a possibility by any doctors I have been to. I read here about the Igenex testing, it is rather expensive for me. May be the only way to know???? Is there any testing that "regular" docs can do???? I know my insurance would pay for that. One other symptom I forgot to mention that is bothersome is a rash that I get periodically, lasts for at least a week or more. I used to think I had gotten into poison ivy, it would start on my knuckles of my hands, spread to my fingers and backs of hands, my arms - especially my upper arms, and then on my face (cheekbones mostly) and sometimes chest. This is what prompted a doctor to diagnose me with Lupus, along with alot of my other symptoms. He said it "fit", even though I did not have a positive ANA, which I understand most Lupus patients have............

Wondering how do whole families get Lyme disease????
Kindness matters.
 
 


peacesoul
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   Posted 11/3/2008 3:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Moddy and welcome to HW :-)

I've also never heard of HP therapy. Lyme patients do however detox in baths with HP. The lyme bacteria do not survive around oxygen and HP provides more oxygen to the body. If you have any more info on this, I would love to see it.

I was dx with lupus as well with a + ANA for 14 yrs. It's possible you have lyme, but you would need to get tested (there are no conclusive tests for lyme) and get yourself an appointment with an LLMD (Lyme literate dr). Most "reg" dr's will not know about lyme so you would be wasting your time.


Not all families have lyme, I'm the only one in my family who has it.
If you mean mothers and kids, well I guess they either past it down or go to the same places where lyme may have been prevelent.
The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places


baileygirl76
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   Posted 11/3/2008 9:20 PM (GMT -6)   
I have read in various books that it can be dangerous. Do a lot of research about it first.
 

Moodymama
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   Posted 11/3/2008 9:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi peacesoul and baileygirl,

Does make me worried that I may could pass it onto my children??? Does anyone know for sure if it is contagious?

I have looked up oral hydrogen peroxide use on the net, many sites sell it and there are alot of testimonials on the site, and articles about it elsewhere. Some used it, supposedly, to cure cancer and other health problems. One man put the regular liquid kind in a nasal spray bottle and used it that way, said it absorbed and made him have more energy and cured his cancer that doctors said was to far advanced to do much about............like I said, this is stuff I've read on the internet, so I'm not advocating the use of ANY type of hydrogen peroxide. I don't know anything except what I've read, and the glowing recommendation of the woman I was speaking with at a softball game. So no one accuse me of telling anyone to go out and buy some and ingest it!!

The sites say that the reason mainstream medicine don't want patients doing it, say its dangerous, etc. is that they want to prescribe the expensive drugs so they get their kick back from pharmacutical companies. No one would make money if hydrogen peroxide was a cure all, its way to CHEAP. Thats the reason the sites give, anyway. And no, I don't remember the sites, just google/search for oral hydrogen peroxide for.......and fill in the blank.

The reason its suppose to work, I've read, is that germs/bacteria can't live in an oxegenated environment. You think better, feel better, and the bad stuff can't survive.
Would love to know if it works, and is safe............just a thought, anyone that has used it and is HEALTHY at the moment wouldn't be coming here for advice and support, would they?? So they wouldn't be around to comment on this. The woman I spoke with certainy believed in it.........Hmmmmmmmm. Its so cheap, I wish it were so!
Kindness matters.
 
 


Razzle
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   Posted 11/3/2008 11:01 PM (GMT -6)   
In my opinion, taking food-grade hydrogen peroxide is only going to drive the spirochetes deeper into the tissues and/or cause them to turn into the cyst form to evade the oxygen.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-J Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
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bablymers
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   Posted 11/3/2008 11:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Moodymama! Welcome to the forum! Your symptoms sound like several infections-----Borrellia (lyme), Bartonella, Babesia, and possibly some virus and even parasites. Plus, all these can lead to food allergies/sensitivties that just complicates the whole picture. All this "weird stuff" is not unusual in the lyme world. It seems almost all symptoms can exist with this group of infections! Get recommendations for a good lyme literate medical doctor from our veteran member Ticker, or ask your local lyme support group. Going to a good doc will save you time and money, plus you won't be insulted by the doc.

I am curious about the oral hydrogen peroxide. I think I will ask my docs about it. I have not heard of this but OH, wouldn't it be great if it were this easy!

Best wishes for a proper diagnosis and return to health! bablymers mom

hiker53
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   Posted 11/4/2008 5:21 PM (GMT -6)   

The oral hydrogen peroxide would be quickly neutralized by the stomach acid and so I don't think it would have any alkaline benefits.  It would be broken down before it got to the blood.  Just a science teacher's opinion.

Hiker53

 


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   Posted 11/5/2008 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   
hey moody momma,
wow you sound like you have alot going on there. If it makes you feel any better. You are in the right place. One of the people above metioned lyme and its co-infections. And you seem to have lyme for sure, and maybe something else. It is not uncommon to get a couple of different things from just one tiny bite.
You are not going to pass it to anyone. The reason whole familes get it is becuase we all get bitten at teh same time. My whole family did, and I just lost my dog Toto to Lyme.
I would not try to treat yourself by taking stuff. I know you want to get you life back and be a good mother. I understand how helpless and confusing you feel.
Igenex is not cheap. But 400.00 for a western blot would give you what you need.
I don't trust quest. diagostics. They are always negative. There is a long answer as to why.
I am doing a treatment that ivolves colodial silver and perioxd. But they put it all into me through a IV. I would not try it at home.
I think that there treatments can run around 300.00
But you are best off looking into it.
I am now in the process of taking both of my very sick kids for treatment as well. We all got it in martha's vineyard 4 years ago. And the baby got it again in Texas this summer.
She is always getting the flu and living on a resperator now. It does not go away by itself. And I am sorry that you are getting lost. My 12 year old coulnd't find her way to class the other day. It is awful.
envita is all homeopathic and I did not even think it was going to help me.
But now, I am having to be dragged back to my therapy in another state becuase I don't feel sick at all. But I still have 4 more weeks of treatment. But I am going to be going there alot becuase I have to get my kids better now.
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 11/5/2008 10:24 AM (GMT -6)   
hey moody momma,
wow you sound like you have alot going on there. If it makes you feel any better. You are in the right place. One of the people above metioned lyme and its co-infections. And you seem to have lyme for sure, and maybe something else. It is not uncommon to get a couple of different things from just one tiny bite.
You are not going to pass it to anyone. The reason whole familes get it is becuase we all get bitten at teh same time. My whole family did, and I just lost my dog Toto to Lyme.
I would not try to treat yourself by taking stuff. I know you want to get you life back and be a good mother. I understand how helpless and confusing you feel.
Igenex is not cheap. But 400.00 for a western blot would give you what you need.
I don't trust quest. diagostics. They are always negative. There is a long answer as to why.
I am doing a treatment that ivolves colodial silver and perioxd. But they put it all into me through a IV. I would not try it at home.
I think that there treatments can run around 300.00
But you are best off looking into it.
I am now in the process of taking both of my very sick kids for treatment as well. We all got it in martha's vineyard 4 years ago. And the baby got it again in Texas this summer.
She is always getting the flu and living on a resperator now. It does not go away by itself. And I am sorry that you are getting lost. My 12 year old coulnd't find her way to class the other day. It is awful.
envita is all homeopathic and I did not even think it was going to help me.
But now, I am having to be dragged back to my therapy in another state becuase I don't feel sick at all. But I still have 4 more weeks of treatment. But I am going to be going there alot becuase I have to get my kids better now.
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Sulma
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   Posted 11/5/2008 3:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I've used pharma grade (35% solution) H2O2 in my bath and it clearly has a therapeutic effect, though I cannot say exactly how or why.
 
IIRC one 8oz cup of the pharma grade releases about 55 pints of oxygen into a warm bath. If you're properly exfoliated and your pores are open, you'd absorb quite a bit of O2. Borrelia and oxygen like each other less than Obama and McCain. Maybe that's why it makes me feel better or maybe it's just having a lot of oxygen in the body perking me up. 

LupnerRN
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   Posted 11/5/2008 4:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Moody mamma!
I think I should change my name to that also!

I have or had almost all the same symptoms that you do, and I have LD. First, you really need to find a LLMD (go online and find the list by state), then insist on having the testing done by IGenX. If your doctor orders it, insurance is almost always obligated to pay. BUT Lyme disease is made by "clinical diagnosis". Test aren't always accurate. My Lyme was positve, but not my co-infections panel. My LLMD is sure I have them anyway.

Regarding your symptoms, it sounds like you have thrush which is a yeast overgrowth. You need acidophilis and other probiotics. Read Burrascano's 2005 report on the ILAD's website. Near the end is the diet you need. If you can't get into a LLMD very soon, then print up the majority of the report and take it to your regular doctor. It has diagnositic tools that are very helpful.

Anyway, H2O2 kills cells. Because of the extra hydrogen, it pulls other oxygen toward it. In the body, this makes water in cells come out rapidly and kills the cell off. You can see this happen when you rub it on your skin and you get the white stuff. That white stuff is dead skin cells, old and new. I was taught in medical school to NEVER put H2O2 on open wounds! So what would it do if you ingested it? I agree with hiker about the stomach acids neutralizing it. If stomach acid is too low, it seems like it would cause injury to the stomach lining.. ????? I would have to do alot of research on it!! The IV thing really freaks me out! I don't understand how it doesn't fry your veins right away!? I'm looking into it though and will get back to you.

I don't think we can stress enough the importance of finding an LLMD. If youre having trouble, ask for help here. These people are awesome!

Hang in there and remember there's a higher power in our lives. He loves us and has plans for us to prosper!
Lisa

kendal122
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   Posted 11/6/2008 10:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Moodymama, the next time you see that lady. find out the doctor name and where he is located. Thanks,

Ginnia
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   Posted 11/6/2008 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi -
 
So sorry about all your symtoms.  It's awful that they always seem to come at once.  One thing that helped me a lot with the muscle twitches was taking magnesium.  You might read about it and see what you think.  A lot of people say magnesium oxide doesn't help much, but you can look for other forms.  I also notice that magnesium stearate is an ingredient in many supplements.  If you decide to take it, count that in when calculating how much you want to deal with.
 
Hope you find the pathway to easing symptoms,
Blessings,
Ginnia
 

kendal122
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   Posted 11/9/2008 7:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Moodymama , WHERE ARE U?

Gracie0
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   Posted 4/17/2013 8:41 PM (GMT -6)   
My doctor is super scientist type he does UVB and the sterile hydrogen peroxide IVs it is fine going into the arm...no problem just hydrate before you go My ND is and IV specialist thinks hydrogen peroxide IV is safe and great for me. I do not think it kills cells it just brings more oxygen into the body . Doctors would know if kills cells and not recommend it If you want to kill something you need its antagonist it is that simple . vitamin C create hydrogen peroxide in the body so I take lypospheric . I going to have my doc run a test through I genex to see if I can get better results...For now I'm doing the sea salt and food grade hydrogen peroxide at home I drink it in water we've seen tons of specialist infectious disease ENT pulmonalogist, cardiologists obgyn, MRI GI doctor they had no answers in fact the infectious disease doctor that maybe it was low estrogen . Classical pearls in hinese medicine helped a lot I had nine parasite checks and four lymes all negative

Gracie0
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   Posted 4/17/2013 8:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Food grade hydrogen peroxide is used by bakers in your sweets...for therapeutic method you take 10-20 drops of 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide in one liter of water and drink it away from food it

Mystery Illness
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   Posted 4/17/2013 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
moodymama,

Your symptoms definitely sound like lyme disease and lyme co-infections such as Babesia.

So, the good news is, you are in the right place.

It is not uncommon for lyme patients to go many years w/o proper diagnosis. Most physicians are not trained to properly diagnose lyme disease.

It is very important for you to see a LLMD (lyme literate MD). It may be expensive and require travel, but it is sooo worth it. A LLMD will be able to properly evaluate and test you for lyme disease and co-infections. In order to find a LLMD, post a new post on her and put "Looking for a LLMD in (__state your in__)" in the subject line.

Also, go to the "new to lyme" thread on here and there will be more info.

Also, if you email me (my email address is in my profile), I can send you a lot of information to get you started researching and getting proper care.

Mystery Illness
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   Posted 4/17/2013 8:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh, and stay away from the oral hydrogen peroxide. There are other herbal kinds of treatments for lyme that are proven.

grant66
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   Posted 8/28/2013 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm new here and would like to try this out. we don't have the testing you have in the states here in Canada. I'm from BC Canada and was told that I have fibro 5+ years ago, its getting worse that I can't work, all the issues that I read about tell me I have Lyme.
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