Think This is a Herx from GSE?

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*Bella*
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   Posted 11/21/2008 6:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Today is my 3rd day taking GSE (skipped yesterday because acupuncture made me feel terrible). I'm still taking 2 drops.

But, I'm having majorly increased PVC's and shortness of breath. I'm trying to figure out if it's a herx or a worsening of symptoms.

Dowa
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   Posted 11/21/2008 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Bella: I dont know about GSE, but why does the acupucture make you feel worse, in my experience, this is unusual. It should relieve symptoms if they do the right areas. Does that always happen?

*Bella*
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   Posted 11/22/2008 1:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dowa,

I thought it should make me feel better too.

My acupuncturist calls this a "healing crisis". The last time I went I had a migraine for days.

Last night she did points on my stomach, and red rings formed around the needle, supposedly telling her my digestive system and emotions are out of whack (very true).

She also put a needle between my thumb and index finger, which she said controls the immune system. The entire time the needles were in, my arm was hurting so bad. She said that was a good thing.

I don't know whether to believe in the "healing crisis" or not. It seems like it's doing something, but to me it's very similar to a herx where you don't know whether you're helping or hurting yourself.

Maureen21
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   Posted 11/25/2008 6:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I definitely had a big herx when starting GSE, so it could be that. It is very common with GSE- it could also be killing candida since it is a strong antifungal.

Dowa
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   Posted 11/25/2008 10:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Bella: Is she a licensed acupuncturist? I went for acupuncture for years in Boston by an MD and NEVER had red rings around the needle. They do not go very deep and I wouldnt think that should happen. I never had any pain afterwards. The way acupuncture heals is that is works WITH the body. You should not have pain in the arm etc.  I dont want to judge, but it just doesn't sound right to me.  D

*Bella*
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   Posted 11/25/2008 11:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dowa,

Yes, she is licensed. I thought it was weird that I felt pain too, but she assured me it was "the needle working hard for me".

I'm actually wondering if the shortness of breath and breathlessness that I've been having for the past week is related to that.

I think I'm going to take a break from the acupuncture for now. It's just making symptoms more confusing for me.

Razzle
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   Posted 11/26/2008 9:29 PM (GMT -6)   
If the needle is over-stimulating the acupuncture point, and that is not right for your body, then you will get negative side-effects. Also, acupuncture relies on a normal nervous system, and those of us with Lyme may or may not have normal nervous systems... In any event, red rings around needles is NOT NORMAL, and your arm should NOT hurt like that during the treatment. I would highly recommend finding another practitioner...

Just my $.02...
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-J Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Vitamin B12 Shots, Heparin (to flush PICC line).


*Bella*
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   Posted 11/26/2008 11:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree, I'm definitely taking a break. I wanted help with my vertigo, so I didn't even really want her putting needles all over the place.

I just hope she didn't do any damage. I don't know if it's possible, but after having Lyme, I'm paranoid. Not to mention that my GI issues are way worse since the red rings.
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