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KeepHope
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   Posted 11/25/2008 10:16 PM (GMT -6)   
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Dowa
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   Posted 11/25/2008 11:21 PM (GMT -6)   

KH: Where can I read about this protocal? Thanks-D


woodswalker
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   Posted 11/26/2008 8:25 AM (GMT -6)   
I felt much better on the salt/C than on the antibiotics I'm on now. The only reason I'm on the antibiotics is that my daughter is a naturopathic doctor and says that since my lyme and co-infection is so well-established that the abx are a good idea for a while. I am very anxious to get through the next 60-day course and get back to salt/C

There is a great article on Vitamin C at
http://www.holisticonline.com/Remedies/Biot/biot_anthrax-nat-rem-vit-C.htm
9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.


kendal122
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   Posted 11/26/2008 9:18 AM (GMT -6)   
what type of salt are you buying? and where do you get it? are you buying vitamin c in a capsule? Thanks,

woodswalker
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   Posted 11/26/2008 10:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Important -- get the good salt. Sea salt or any salt with the mineral in tact!

I find it in the gourmet section of the grocery store or in a health food store. Probably a Whole Foods Market or Trader Joe's kind of place would have it.
9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.


woodswalker
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   Posted 11/26/2008 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Oh, and I like my vitamin C in capsule form -- easier to swallow.

Some people find the buffered kind is better for their stomach -- I only had trouble with this while on doxy.
9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.


Maureen21
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   Posted 11/26/2008 12:52 PM (GMT -6)   
just a quick question.... how much vitamin c and salt are you supposed to use according to your body weight. i can't find a quick answer for this when i search salt/c protocol.

i also don't understand how you figure out grams- for instance how many grams of vit. c are in 2000 mg. ? how much salt do you mix with the vitamin c - is it equal amounts of each?

i weigh around 100 lbx. so trying to figure this out. i am off abx. for 11 weeks now and 90-95% better.

Dowa
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   Posted 11/26/2008 1:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Maureen: 1,000 mg is a gram. Thats the only question I can answer. (:  D

Maureen21
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   Posted 11/26/2008 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks- here is what i found

The Salt and Vitamin C Treatment

The Essential Treatment is basically

1. Body weight in pounds/10 = total daily consumption in grams, so
* 1 gram of Salt, and
* 1 gram of Vitamin C
* for each 10 pounds of body weight.
Use pure salt (sodium chloride) without any additives such as
* aluminum
* silica, or
* iodine

2. If you use powdered salt or Vitamin C be aware that
* 1 teaspoon (tsp) = 5 grams, thus
* 1 tablespoon (tbs) = 15 grams.

3. One should space out these into three or more doses each day.
For example, a 150 pound individual would swallow 15 grams
of each in total as
* 5 grams of each in the morning,
* 5 grams of each at midday and
* 5 grams of each in the evening.

4. Total daily consumption should not exceed
18 grams of each per day.

5. Drink lots of water.

6. High doses can be very hard on the stomach.
Experiment; start with lower doses, such as
3 grams each 5 times a day
to get your daily total.
Again, drink plenty of water.

phsinvent
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   Posted 11/26/2008 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
The vit c/salt protocol is better for parasites versus sophisticated bacteria.

woodswalker
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   Posted 11/26/2008 9:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey phsinvent. Where did you find that report? I would be interested to read it.
9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.


peacesoul
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   Posted 11/27/2008 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
MY LLMD and her son both have lyme. They both did this protocol and she recommended against it b/c the salt can cause a whole host of other issues.
Vit c is always a great idea though
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JELAINEP
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   Posted 11/27/2008 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I cannot believe... well I guess I can after all these years... that we have to find a way to "treat/cure" ourselves.... all the different remedies... all the different information that's out there. It just so hard when you're sick to figure all this out... and it just doesn't seem right or fair...

guess I'm just a little overwhelmed today.
We'll get through today - Jennifer
06/00- The beginning, 08/01-LD positive, 10/01- Igenex and CDC LD positive, 10/02-LD positive, 11/03-LD positive, 10/07-Bartonella positive, CD57=3, 08/25/08 - 10 weeks of IV Rocephin, my first visit to a Pain Mgmt. dr. - she was non-judgemental and will not prescribe me any "opiates" which in the end, is probably a good thing.  Current Rx's 11/12/08: Wellbutrin 300mg, Paxil 60mg, Xanax 5mg, Rozerem 8mg, Darvocet, Acidophilus, Rifampin 600mg, Levaquin 500mg, Lyrica 150 to 300mg,
Medicare/SSDI theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w 
"How much more can I take?", songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gHiR1xeOSs
 


Goldfinch
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   Posted 11/28/2008 11:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I tried this protocol while I was waiting to get in to see my Lyme doctor. It made me extremely ill/nauseated on just a small dose. I think I was doing 1/8 tsp of salt and 1/8 teaspoon of Vit. C. I stopped the protocol because it made me feel so sick.
[4 red] Currently off of all antibiotics and supplements


woodswalker
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   Posted 11/30/2008 8:37 PM (GMT -6)   
KeepHope -- remember that doctors don't always endorse treatments that don't fall into their range of knowledge.
I did a lot of research and communicated with many people that have tried the Salt/C before I made my decision to try it. The only reasons that I went with the abx is that it may help me to get over this sooner and Worker's comp picks up the bill. I felt that I was getting good results with the Salt/C and will probably go back to just that at some point.

9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.
9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.


nefferdun
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   Posted 12/1/2008 9:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I just started using tremendous amounts of vitamin C given to me by a homeopathic doctor. I believe it is over 20 grams a day. It will give you diarrhea and stomach gas (pain). It can also cause kidney stones so you must be careful.
I was using Zhang's herbs but I developed some kind of reaction to them - could not sleep and had to take sleeping herbs but still woke up every two hours all night. I get the feeling we just have to drift from remedy to remedy seeking solutions. The homeopathic doctor told me he changes his herbs every 6 weeks. Currently he is giving me cat's claw. He also gives me a powerful multi vitamin, and additional zinc and magnesium. He is going to try hydogen peroxide IV with rife later on. The full moon seems to be the time my buggers like to party. I'll report back.

Goldfinch
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   Posted 12/1/2008 9:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Nefferdun,

I totally agree with your full moon statement. I noticed that I had a cyclical pattern of feeling worse. I was finally able to pinpoint this cyclical worsening with the fullness of the moon due to tracking my symptoms.
 Currently off of all antibiotics and supplements.


woodswalker
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   Posted 12/2/2008 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Can I join if I am already doing the Salt/C?
9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.


JELAINEP
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   Posted 12/3/2008 4:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Please update the rest of us on your results using this combo. I'm a little chicken to start something like that after my ND/MD nightmare in Orlando.
We'll get through today - Jennifer
06/00- The beginning, 08/01-LD positive, 10/01- Igenex and CDC LD positive, 10/02-LD positive, 11/03-LD positive, 10/07-Bartonella positive, CD57=3, 08/25/08 - 10 weeks of IV Rocephin, my first visit to a Pain Mgmt. dr. - she was non-judgemental and will not prescribe me any "opiates" which in the end, is probably a good thing.  Current Rx's 11/12/08: Wellbutrin 300mg, Paxil 60mg, Xanax 5mg, Rozerem 8mg, Darvocet, Acidophilus, Rifampin 600mg, Levaquin 500mg, Lyrica 150 to 300mg,
Medicare/SSDI theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w 
"How much more can I take?", songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gHiR1xeOSs
 


woodswalker
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   Posted 12/9/2008 4:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Found a lot of good info on this forum from folks that have been doing the Salt/C

- forum --- > http://www.healthyawareness.com/Archived/Salt-C/Salt-C-01385.htm
9/28/08 - 11/8/08 100mg Doxy b.i.d. 42 days
11/5/08 - 11/20/08 Salt/C, grapefruit seed extract, COQ10, anti-inflammatory herbs with cat's claw & omega 3.
11/20/08 -> reduced Salt/C, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar.
Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.


FancyRatFan
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   Posted 12/18/2008 2:36 PM (GMT -6)   
KeepHope,

I laughed so hard when I saw "Hi Fancy". It through me off guard at first. Always good to laugh. Thanks KH. I like being able to see how many view there are.


KeepHope told me about this thread. I'm usually on lymenet. I'm in the group of Salt/Vit C data sharing. If you go on the site there are two threads right now that have salt/C in topic one is Data sharing. If you want to join the group that is on the protocol that's the one.


I'm taking 1/4 tsp salt/C twice a day. I started iwth 1/4 once a day November 24th. I am going slow. After I herx a little when I up the saltC I feel a difference a good difference. The trick is to go slow and not shock your system suddenly with many grams of Salt.

Fancy

Traveler
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   Posted 10/25/2013 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Please, please do some research on this 'protocol' - it really isn't safe to use when your body is already struggling! If you knew who and how it was developed, it's likely that you wouldn't choose to use it.

High doses of vitamin C will help many feel better, because vitamin C is an antioxidant and is used in high doses for quite a few medical conditions, including cancer treatments.

BUT - large amounts of salt can do a lot of damage to even a health body - something most of us here lack. Water weight, swelling, and increased chances of heart issues isn't something we should be setting ourselves up for, as these diseases already carry those symptoms, besides taxing our kidneys, throwing off the sodium/potassium balance in the body. According to the Harvard site that I posted below, :"Our bodies need far more potassium than sodium each day."


lymeblog.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1570

"In most people, the kidneys have trouble keeping up with the excess sodium in the bloodstream. As sodium accumulates, the body holds onto water to dilute the sodium. This increases both the amount of fluid surrounding cells and the volume of blood in the bloodstream. Increased blood volume means more work for the heart and more pressure on blood vessels. Over time, the extra work and pressure can stiffen blood vessels, leading to high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke,. It can also lead to heart failure. There is also some evidence that too much salt can damage the heart, aorta, and kidneys without increasing blood pressure, and that it may be bad for bones, too."
www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt-and-sodium/sodium-health-risks-and-disease/

healthyeating.sfgate.com/health-risks-associated-salt-intake-3086.html
Lyme herbs used: "Chronic Tonic" from www.mistymeadows.org/wendydocs/Lyme Disease.pdf for 9 months

Bart herb - only Houttuynia for 6 months
tx ended 1-2013

Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV

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Post Edited (Traveler) : 10/25/2013 11:15:58 AM (GMT-6)


anne1468
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   Posted 10/29/2013 12:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't read anywhere about Himalayan salt. I will have to disagree.

CRYSTAL SALT
85% -sodium chloride
15% -84 different trace minerals and elements your body needs
NO BAD THINGS IN IT


TABLE SALT (REFINED)
97.5% sodium chloride
2.5% other chemicals (moisture absorbents and iodine)

When it gets heated at 1200 degrees, the heat actually alters the natural chemical structure of the salt. During the drying process, they can add anti-caking compounds as well

Salt has been around for 300 millions years. I've done a bit of research in the past and tried to find some of the info to post here. If anything I say is incorrect I appologize in advance its mostly things I've copy and pasted.

-"Prior to refrigeration and other methods of food preservation, salt was the main way foods were kept from spoiling. It was so revered by the ancients that it was called “the gift from the gods.” In fact Homer referred to salt as a “divine substance” and Plato described it as “dear to the gods.” Also, the Celtic word for salt meant “holy” or “sacred”. Salt was so sought after in ancient times that massive trade routes were established precisely for its acquisition. It was so valuable that Roman Soldiers were partly paid in salt, hence the word “salary”. The Himalayan crystal salt mines were said to be discovered around 330 BC by Alexander The Great."

-Our soldiers used to be paid partly in salt!
-Our word "salary" is derived from the Latin word of salt which is Salaria.
-Traditionally they used to consume twice as much as us, because of the preservation of the meat and fish. (No refrigerators back then).
-Japanese who have one of the highest salt intakes in the world also have one of the longest life expectancies.

-Salt is essential, you cannot live without. People don't realize there's a different between standard table salt, and crystal salt. (AND then Sea Salt which has Mercury, PCB and other toxins because of what is getting dumped into oceans and contaminating salt/fish supply)

BENEFITS OF CRYSTAL SALT
-Regulate and maintain blood pressure
-Vital for nervous system
-Chloride is essential for the growth of our brain and development of neurological fuction
-Sodium activates an enzyme needed for creative thinking/long term planning
-Metabolism and digestion
+the main source of chloride in our body is salt, which is part of hydrochloric acid, which we need to digest our food
-Adrenal function- our glands are responsible for the release and regulation of over 50 of our bodies hormones.

I'm not saying everyone needs to go out and eat salt. But if you DO eat salt, I think its important to know the difference between the two.

Shelly71
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   Posted 10/29/2013 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I am a huge fan of pink Himalayan salt. It tastes so much better than white salt. My first LLMD actually told me to use 1 1/2 teaspoons per day. It may be my imagination, but I actually feel good after eating it.
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   Posted 10/29/2013 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
First of all, I am not 'arguing' this with anyone. I only hope to shed some light on this, as those that follow this "treatment" I believe are doing so without understanding what it is they are doing to their bodies.

Now, think about this - if curing these diseases was a simple as taking large amounts of Vitamin C and salt, don't you think that so many people would be doing it that it would be common knowledge that it works well? It's cheap and easy to do, why wouldn't everyone want to just do that? I had high hopes back when I first read of this, and followed it all the way back to the two or three Lyme patients that came up with this "treatment". Not a doctor who had conducted studies and tests, just a few Lyme patients who realized salt killed slugs.


From the site that started the whole thing:www.lymephotos.com/
"our theory is that Lyme is not just a bacterial disease..."
So they admit that it's a bacterial disease - and salt will not cure an internal bacterial disease - look it up. Salt can help a number of things, but not an internal bacterial disease.

Is there even one other internal bacterial infection that can be cured using this method?

It's not the "bad things" that are in the table salt that worries anyone that says this isn't good, it's the sodium chloride - and you state (I haven't looked it up) that even the crystal salt has 85% sodium chloride.

I've read all of those things as well - yes, salt was used to cure meat (I've done that too), but they only ate it sparingly, not massive doses of each each day - that's a big difference!

And believe me, the usage of the word salt in the English language has nothing to do with this conversation. We are talking about medical usage of this, not grammar.

I would complete agree with you that there is a big difference in salts, and that we should be using what is the healthiest forms of it, and that may very well be the crystal salts, but not in the doses that are being talked about in the Salt/C "protocol".

I am in now way against getting the right amount and healthy salt into the diet!! I had very low blood sodium - so low that not only did my doc tell me to be sure to not limit it, but to increase it. I told him I would crave salt to the point that the only way to satisfy that craving was to put salt into my hand and eat some that way. He told me to not over do it, but that it was okay - because I had my blood tested and my doc told me that I needed more salt in my diet though.

But - 16 - 18 grams of salt each and every day is overdoing it! That's .52 - .63 ounces of salt a day, 3.64 ounces of salt in a week.

And this treatment says nothing about using potassium to keep your electrolytes in balance, or the water that one will begin to retain.

Salt is a very necessary nutrient for the body, but all things in balance is how the body works. Otherwise we are only doing ourselves a disservice.
Lyme herbs used: "Chronic Tonic" from www.mistymeadows.org/wendydocs/Lyme Disease.pdf for 9 months

Bart herb - only Houttuynia for 6 months
tx ended 1-2013

Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV

Questions about what I've posted or just have questions? Please email me!!! Click on blue envelope under my screen name.
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