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Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 11/30/2008 2:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I have to share this with everyone here. I have been told too many times that people have been diagnosed with Lyme and Cancer. At the same time. I have met people on this forum as well with both. Some feel blindsided by the news. I can only imagine. When I have spoken to many people at my clinic here in Az. All of the people that are trying to heal their immune systems due to aggressive treatment for their cancer. All of them also test positive for Lyme disease. I was wondering why they were all drilling me about my Lyme disease. It is odd, because the people with huge issues with cancer only had some slight pain. And them whammo they have two diseases.
yet known of them knew of being bitten and none of them every knew what Lyme was.
A lot of them were out door types. And so it could have gone un noticed very easily. But I was shocked to find out that lyme left untreated could grow cancer. It makes since if Lyme is a harmful bacteria and it gets inside the cells of our body. And does nothing but cause problems with the bodies immune system and cells. Food for thought. And makes it that more important for us to figure out how to rid our bodies of this bacteria once and for all.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


Deejavu
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   Posted 11/30/2008 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi MV,
 
Don't believe everything you hear or are told.  Cancer and Lyme are like comparing Apples and Oranges.   Lyme is caused by lyme bacteria's and cancer has to do with cells.
 
Both of my brothers are in remission from cancer and never had lyme.  With "any" disease, the immune system is important.  People with a weak immune system get the common cold versus people with strong immune systems do not.
 
Please do your research before scaring others.   Get your facts. 
 
Here is a link about Cancer:
 
 
I'm sure you already have many links as to how the lyme bacteria's work inside one's body which have nothing to do with cancer.  :-)
 
I hope you are feeling better,
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 11/30/2008 9:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu...did your brothers get tested at IGENEX for lyme?

My home work is being done with about 20 people here at the clinc and every single one of them test postive lyme.
Odd no? And well. I was told by three Dr.s that the lyme invades the cells in the body and this is where it hides out. And cancer is all about cells in the body.
I have read a lot about Lyme yes. But I believe from all the people that I have spoken to that they had the lyme first and did not know that they had it. And that they
later developed cancer from it.
Bacteria that that can hide inside the bodies cells, and avoid abx treament.

I lost my whole family to cancer. We had three huge horse and cattle ranches. Who knows.

I am sure that if someone decides to smoke or drink or dip that this increases many types of cancer. And more problems. But the fact that all of these people are testing
postive for lyme is a fact not my speculation.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 11/30/2008 9:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Lyme bacteria moves inside the cells in the body and can also form their own protective shells to protect itself from abx. yes I have done my reading. But I also am
meeting many sick people with both. Many.
Have your brothers have their blood work done at IGENEX. And see if they were ever infected with Lyme. It may be of good use to them.
Since everyone at the clinic's cancer kept coming back even after chemo and radiation.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


peacesoul
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   Posted 11/30/2008 9:56 PM (GMT -6)   
You need to keep in mind. lyme testing is faulty and not conclusive.

Since this is the case, there is a huge possibility that the cell destruction from cancer and the faulty transcribing of the DNA from the cancer cells could be giving false + to lyme

Until there is a 100% full proof conclusive test for lyme, there really is no way to know this.
The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 11/30/2008 10:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Lyme testing is not faulty. with teh CDC it is primitive. But if one has all of the symptoms of Lyme and all of the blood work from all of the labs to back it up..
and if lucky the tick in hand.
It is not hard to tell if someone has lyme. I can tell from talking to them. Their eyes and the bad speach for starters. The drag about and complain about everything.
Every one of my neighbors had it. All of them. Some were badly disfigured. But it is easy to tell when someone has it. i have seen alot of it.

I have had lyme for almost 5 years and do not have cancer. Not yet anyways.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


hezzer926
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   Posted 11/30/2008 10:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Does anyone know if this cancer correlation is indicative of lyme being untreated? or just having lyme in general?

Dowa
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   Posted 11/30/2008 10:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a good friend that came down with Lyme during her chemotherapy for cancer. I think it has all to do with the immune system. The Lyme most likely was there already and showed positive with the cancer, like in her case. Before the cancer she had NO Lyme symtoms but as soon as the cancer was there, so was the Lyme.     D

Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 12/1/2008 1:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Funny you say that DOWA! Sorry about your friend.
You just reminded me of something that most of the cancer people have told the nurses. They did not know that they had lyme and then something really bad happened, like a car accident or a death. Or like you said, finding out that you have cancer. That would do it on a major stress level.

Hezzer....the people that have cancer never knew that they had lyme they did not even know what it was. And they were all giving me the third degree about it. So they went untreated for lyme for no telling how long and no telling what their co-infections could have been too.
Just left to grow, and did nothing about it. Like me, I had no idea what was wrong with my baby, till it hit me 3 weeks later. But I found the ticks on all of us. So it was much easier for us.

Keep hope...what is the problem with your Thyriod, which one? I was reading some interesting things in this book I have about it. All about the immune system.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 12/1/2008 2:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Oh and weird thing that the Dr.s tell the patients with the Cancer and Lyme, that they have to treat and get rid of the Lyme first. lol
Uhh, yeah, sure, okay.
I had a friend from Houston come out here and he had tumors, cancerous. And he had photos done before and after. He was told that he did not have long. And his treatment at the clinic shrunk the tumors and he is a healthy man now. Or remission as they say.
MY favorite new date come down and is level 3 now with throat cancer. It came back again. Gosh he is going through such a bad time with the chemo. Eating through a tube, and no voice. gosh such a handsome and smart man! I am trying to get him out here to work him up into some good health. The Dr.s failed with the chemo the first time and now he is doing it again. I am worried that he is not going to make it again.
But I am seeing people get better where I am. And I see people with hope and progress. And this is the only thing that keeps me dragging my butt back for more. Plus they need my joking and silly ness to make them laugh. I do lyme stand up comedy now. The irony of it all. It is more ridiculous and maddening really. But one must find humor in the stupidity of most of the Dr.s out there. Since we can't fire all of them...or can we???
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


needshelp
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   Posted 12/1/2008 5:32 AM (GMT -6)   

As a scientist, I feel the Lyme controversy exists (in part) because of medical professionals failing to educate themselves on scientific and clinical FACTS.   That being said, it is conceivable that dormant viruses could possibly cause cancer in Lyme patients that become severely immunocompromised.  A similiar thing is observed in AIDS patients which can get Kaposi's sarcoma as a result of their weakened immune system.  However, as long as there is no proof that SOME Lyme patients could get cancer (as a direct result of LD) it is extremely reckless to make such claims!!! 

It is highly unlikely the Lyme bacteria (by itself) could cause malignant transformation.  Even if there is a connection between Lyme and cancer (which I seriously doubt), only a VERY small percentage would be at risk.   

 


hopingToFindCure
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   Posted 12/1/2008 6:02 AM (GMT -6)   
NeedsHelp,

What about the link between extensive antibiotic use and cancer? It's been reported (at least on the Internet) in both breast and kidney cancers.

Thanks!

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   Posted 12/1/2008 6:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Hopingtofindcure,

I'm not aware of the link between antibiotic usage and cancer. I'll try to give that a look sometime today and I'll let you know what I find.

peacesoul
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   Posted 12/1/2008 10:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Martha's Vineyard said...
Lyme testing is not faulty. with teh CDC it is primitive. But if one has all of the symptoms of Lyme and all of the blood work from all of the labs to back it up..
and if lucky the tick in hand.
It is not hard to tell if someone has lyme. I can tell from talking to them. Their eyes and the bad speach for starters. The drag about and complain about everything.
Every one of my neighbors had it. All of them. Some were badly disfigured. But it is easy to tell when someone has it. i have seen alot of it.

I have had lyme for almost 5 years and do not have cancer. Not yet anyways.

Lyme testing is very faulty. People come back with false neg's and false pos's all the time
The Elisa and Western blot are faulty and Igenex does not have full proof testing.

Unless one has the tick tested that burrowed in them, the bullseye and the symptoms, lyme is always a clinical guess.
 
There are many times people with lyme symtoms have system candida, depression, come virus and other illness.
Not everything is related to lyme

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peacesoul
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   Posted 12/1/2008 10:24 AM (GMT -6)   
needshelp said...

As a scientist, I feel the Lyme controversy exists (in part) because of medical professionals failing to educate themselves on scientific and clinical FACTS.   That being said, it is conceivable that dormant viruses could possibly cause cancer in Lyme patients that become severely immunocompromised.  A similiar thing is observed in AIDS patients which can get Kaposi's sarcoma as a result of their weakened immune system.  However, as long as there is no proof that SOME Lyme patients could get cancer (as a direct result of LD) it is extremely reckless to make such claims!!! 

It is highly unlikely the Lyme bacteria (by itself) could cause malignant transformation.  Even if there is a connection between Lyme and cancer (which I seriously doubt), only a VERY small percentage would be at risk.   

 


My best friend is a PHD cancer rsearcher and also a leukemia survivor. There is a belief in the oncology community that leukemia is virus related.

But I believe any virus or bacteria that we are exposed to can and will open up our weakened immuned system to many illnesses.
I agree with you, making claims stating lyme causes cancer is downright unfounded and causes hysteria.


The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places


needshelp
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   Posted 12/1/2008 10:50 AM (GMT -6)   

hopingtofindcure,

You are correct.  Some studies have shown that prolonged antibiotics cause increase risk of cancer.    There was roughly a 2-fold increased risk of developing breast cancer compared to the control group.  

Velicer, C.M., et al. Antibiotic use in relation to the risk of breast cancer. Journal of the American Medical Association. Vol 291 (February 18) Pgs 827-835. 2004.

 

I always use caution when reading these types of studies because I believe many of them over-emphasize the associated risks (but that is my personal opinion).  Drinking, being obese, working night-shifts, short-term antibiotic usages and about a billion other things cause an increase risk of cancer. 

Obviously, none of us want to be on long-term antibiotics.  There are some potential consequences with doing so.....but I think I'll take my chances.  


JELAINEP
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   Posted 12/1/2008 12:29 PM (GMT -6)   
jeezea luoizea - I can't keep up with my "own" case of LD and everything else that is going wrong............ I don't want to think about cancer... especially since I have a repeat pelvic sonogram for something "big" to do with my left ovary. This just sucks.
We'll get through today - Jennifer
06/00- The beginning, 08/01-LD positive, 10/01- Igenex and CDC LD positive, 10/02-LD positive, 11/03-LD positive, 10/07-Bartonella positive, CD57=3, 08/25/08 - 10 weeks of IV Rocephin, my first visit to a Pain Mgmt. dr. - she was non-judgemental and will not prescribe me any "opiates" which in the end, is probably a good thing.  Current Rx's 11/12/08: Wellbutrin 300mg, Paxil 60mg, Xanax 5mg, Rozerem 8mg, Darvocet, Acidophilus, Rifampin 600mg, Levaquin 500mg, Lyrica 150 to 300mg,
Medicare/SSDI theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w 
"How much more can I take?", songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gHiR1xeOSs
 


needshelp
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   Posted 12/1/2008 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Keephope,

Many in my field still consider the idea of cancer bacteria to be controversial. It is highly unlikely the the lyme bacteria could directly cause cancer. Although, as I stated above I could see how immunosuppression caused by LD could potentially cause cancer (in some rare circumstances).

Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 12/1/2008 3:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I think that if the lyme is dealt with and the immune system is taken care of, that it won't manifest itself into something worse later on. But if left to fester, and to never address it, only because none of these people knew anything about it. We are all on a different track. Everyone on here is addressing and fighting the bacteria.
Keep hope...you go girl...:>)

Knowledge is power. All of the stuff is so controversial for sure. So is the fact that 60% of the people in the medical wards in NYC's mental hospital tested positive for Lyme.
That was in Pamela's Book. I can understand that one easily.

Also the mention of Alztimeirs and lyme disease. I get that connection as well.
The MRI's don't pick it up, but ask anyone with the nuerological problems ass. with their lymes if they feel like they are losing their minds. I mean if you can't work, can't finish a sentence and can't find your way home from the grocery store...and can't remember people's faces forget names, with lyme. That is Alztemiers in my book. And it comes and goes too. My grandmother had it.
My father has been sick for years. And they do not know what is wrong with him. He was once a brilliant tax attorney. And then, he was unable to do anything. I have supported my 65 year old father for a long time. But now I think he may very well have Lyme. He was a big hunter and golfer. Not the brain disease that they thought. of Of course we went through 8 nuero. Dr's and they all did not agree on anything. Hence the words"Medical Practice" lol
I don't need the opinion of any more Dr.s to make my own assessments. When Dr. Steere and Dr. Shapiro, who are supposed to be the top Disease men in the world, don't even believe in Cronic Lyme then I have no time to argue about their ignorance.
I can only hope that they soon get some first hand experience with this disease and it's co infections. Since that is the only way that they are to realize and learn that the 10 days of doxy is absurd!
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


hopingToFindCure
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   Posted 12/1/2008 7:58 PM (GMT -6)   
My personal belief is that everyone is born w/ cancer cells. Why they choose to activate and multiply can be environmental or suppressed immune system or reasons not known.

hopingToFindCure
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   Posted 12/1/2008 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I believe this because on one side of my family both grandparents died of cancer and then 5 of my 12 aunts and uncles did too. Breast cancer is past on from one generation to the next too, so in that case - there's no cancer germ!

I do believe we do not know enough about the impact antibiotics -- like even what many of us are doing -- have on one's body. I have to tell you -- even pre-Lyme days -- I've had t r o u b l e!!!

Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 12/1/2008 8:43 PM (GMT -6)   
That is sad about your family Hope.
And yes I have had my Dr.s all question about my families history regarding breast cancer as well. Lyme ruins ones immune system. I have never been sick in my life. But the day that I found that tick on my back. It was all down hill from there.

My Dr. refused to treat me for a long time. He said 30 days of doxy was enough and that was that. I got into it with him on my last visit. I left the cure unknown in his office and he had his sec. hand it back to me. lol
He is also not aware that he can catch it sexually from his wife...so he is going to get a crash course in it soon too. See if the 10 days of doxy work of for him.
The whole thing is maddening.
I am very happy with the homeo-pathic treatment that I am getting that has some abx in it also. And maybe the collidal silver will be part of my daily or every other day routine to keep my immune system healthy and to ward off future infections by mosquitos. Since they love me.
I don't know about the cancer issues regarding abx use. I have not read about that.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


peacesoul
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   Posted 12/2/2008 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Martha's Vineyard said...
 So is the fact that 60% of the people in the medical wards in NYC's mental hospital tested positive for Lyme.

Where did you get this info from?

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Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 12/2/2008 4:17 PM (GMT -6)   
From the book by Pamela Weintruab." Cure Unknown'.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


peacesoul
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   Posted 12/2/2008 9:20 PM (GMT -6)   
testing is inconclusive and very faulty so for her to claim that 60% of people in medical wards are + for lyme is irresponsible and prove, you can't believe everything you read.

First of all, who paid for all these patients to get a test?
second, there is no way a high % of people would ever agree to pay for these tests
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