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ria123
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   Posted 12/1/2008 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
How bad of a Herx does this cause? I am only taking one a day right now. I am on the thirid day and all of a sudden i feel like crap.
I feel weak and my body hurts. Could this be a Herx from the Artemisinin and if so how long will it last. I am also on Bactrim and Cedax and of course probotics. I was feeling so much better until I started the Artemisinin. I hate feeling like this. Please give any input you can on this med. Thanks,
Maria

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   Posted 12/1/2008 6:53 PM (GMT -6)   
haven' t gone there yet. sounds like a reaction of some sort

phsinvent
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   Posted 12/2/2008 11:47 AM (GMT -6)   

From my personal experience with artmenisin, mepron or malarone. The babesia type herx usually presents itself on day 3 or 4 after you start one of those meds. You can give artmenisin to a healthy person and they wouldn't feel anything. Did you also see an increase in night sweats on night #3 or 4?

The fatigue and pain will become less and less as time goes on. You should be able to increase the dose of artmensisin within the next week or two. Bactrim is a good addition to your treatment also. I wouldn't really worry at all, artmenisin is a rather safe herb. They do advise to have your liver enzymes checked periodically while on artmenisin, i'd say like every 4 weeks would be smart. But then again, you haven't even made it to the normal dosage or beyond. hang in there.


ria123
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   Posted 12/2/2008 11:56 AM (GMT -6)   
phsinvent

Thank you so much for your reply. Can I ask does Malarone have the same effect as the artmenisin? I think my doctor said he is going to start me on that one next month.
I did have a little sweating but nothing major yet. But like I said I am only taking one pill a day right now and will work up to tow pills a day.
Thanks for helping.
Maria

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   Posted 12/2/2008 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Malarone is a little more aggressive than artmenisin. But both do produce a similar herx if you do have babesia. Do you have a positive test result for babesia? Just to give you an idea. I did artmenisin back in the day and i took 6-8 pills of allergy research super artemenisin per day. They were labeled as 180mg artmenisin per pill.
 
And it is good thing that your dr added bactrim to your babesia treatment protocol. Much fewer relapse rates are seen when bactrim is added. If i had to treat babesia again. I'd do Mepron(malarone substitute), Artmenisin, Biaxin, Bactrim.

ria123
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   Posted 12/2/2008 1:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes I was tested positive for babesia from IGENEX. Right now he has me on Bactrim 2 x a day and Cedax 2 x a day also the Artmenisin. Which med would you say is a little easier on the body, Mepron or malarone or is there any difference in the way it makes you feel?
I am also taking Diflucin for a yeast infection that has recently started.
thanks again.

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   Posted 12/2/2008 2:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Mepron and malarone are pretty much the same. They both contain the active drug atovaquone. However, malarone also has a small amount of proguanil which is also anti-malarial. Malarone is usually prescribed as 1-2 pills per day which would give you a far lower % of atovaquone compared to the higher dose mepron. Which is usually prescribed as several teaspoons per day. Just one teaspoon has more mg of atovaquone than just two pills of malarone. Malarone is more catered to malaria or babesia prevention such as taking it before you visit a malaria hot spot.
 
I would go for mepron if your insurance company doesn't complain, it is far more expensive. However, i'd still wait until you are done with the diflucan for now. It would be too complicated for your liver to take so many meds at once. But i'm sure your dr is aware of that.
 
There are many other antimalarial meds that might also work against babesia if you find your case hard to resolve. I'll list a few. Most of these are not too effective used alone, it usually requires a carefully calculated combination.
 
Mepron
Malarone
Artmenisin or artesunate(herbal extract)
Riamet
Bactrim(mild effect)
Plaquenil
Chloroquine
quinine
Clindamycin(c-diff risk)
Allinia
Doxycycline(mild effect)
Larium(risky)
alinia
enula(herbal)
Lumefantrine
Roxithromycin(moderate)
Zithromax(mild)
Biaxin(mild)
 

ria123
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   Posted 12/2/2008 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
phsinvent
Thank you so much for sending me that list I copied to my Lyme files.
You have really been so helpful and I really appriciate it.
I just want to stop feeling weak and achy I was feeling so good then bam knocked down again. I just hope and pray I get to to be healthy and feel good again. I hope we all do.
Thank's so much it was really nice of you.
Maria
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