Allicin as Lyme Treatment???

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LymeFrustration
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   Posted 12/17/2008 3:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I have diagnoses of Lyme Disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Hypothyroidism and Hashimoto's Disease.  I have not taken any meds for the MS, but have done antibiotic treatments off and on for three years for the Lyme, including IV Rocephin and IM Bicillin LA (and just about all other orals).  I am just coming off an antibiotic regimen that did not agree with me, and my docotor is considering starting the Zhang herb protocol.  I am somewhat leery of this, as I did not tolerate the Cowden herb protocol well at all.  Has anyone tried treating their Lyme Disease with Allicin?  A local organic/health store promotes this as a Lyme treatment, and the owner actually has taken this herself as she has Lyme Disease.  The cost is prohibitive (about $120 for a 20 day supply).  However, my insurance company doesn't cover all of my medicines, so this is probably comparable to the amount I'm spending every month anyway.  If anyone has taken Allicin, please provide some feedback, including how long you were on it.  Thank you!

JELAINEP
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   Posted 12/17/2008 3:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I took Allicin religously for 3 months straight. I didn't see or feel any difference.
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LymeFrustration
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   Posted 12/17/2008 9:18 PM (GMT -6)   

Thanks for your feedback!

Anyone else???


kelly1234
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   Posted 12/17/2008 10:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry to get off the subject, but I was wondering how you ended up being diagnosed with so many things? As my lyme symptoms were solely neurological (headache, neckache, numbness, tingling, muscle twitching), I ended up at the neurologist first, had the MRI and EMG and was cleared of MS etc. and ended up with a lyme diagnosis. However, since being on Biaxin and now IV Rocephrin, my symptoms are so much worse. I guess I worried once more about my diagnosis.

LymeFrustration
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   Posted 12/18/2008 8:25 AM (GMT -6)   
My opthalmologist ended up ordering an MRI since the cause of my eye problems could not be found after ruling out many other diagnoses, including myasthenia gravis, Grave's Disease, etc. The MRI showed six lesions indicative of M.S. However, I had just finished reading Amy Tan's book "The Opposite of Fate" the night before he called me with my MRI results. I was astounded at the similarities of my symptoms with those that she described for her Lyme Disease, so many things that I didn't realize were even possibly related (stumbling/falls due to balance problems, terrible neck aches, memory problems, brain fog, ears ringing, getting lost, and on and on). The next morning when my ophthalmologist called me with the MRI results and told me I had MS, I immediately asked if Lyme Disease could be a possibility, as Amy Tan also had lesions on her MRIs. He said that Lyme Disease should be ruled out and I should immediately make an appointment to see a neurologist. Little did I know what road that would lead me down and the controversy surrounding that diagnosis. Even though I am counted by the PA Department of Health as a reportable case of Lyme Disease in 2007 (and, thereby, met the CDC case definition of Lyme Disease), I still can't find a neurologist who will even consider this. My insurance company won't cover many of my antibiotics. The sad part is, I know exactly when I became ill, as I had flu-like symptoms followed within a week by my first incidence of double vision. At the time, I was on vacation (in the woods) at a cabin in southeastern Maine. Upon returning home, I immediately saw my family physician, who did run some tests, but told me they were all negative. After requesting these medical records two years later, I found out he did run a Lyme Disease test at that time, but since it was negative, he did not treat me. Two years later I was diagnosed with MS. Earlier this year while reading Constance Bean's book "Beating Lyme," she states on page six that infection rates of ticks for Lyme Disease in the Cape Elizabeth, Kittery and Wells areas are now greater than 50 percent. This is were I was vacationing at the time I became ill, not to mention I have been vacationing there since I was a little girl. I could go on and on, but will stop here. That's my story in a nutshell. And it sucks.

rvnut
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   Posted 12/18/2008 1:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I've not used Dr. Zhang's protocol but have had good results from simply strengthening my immune system. I'm doing everything I can to stay off prescriptions aws long as possible. I was misdiagnosed so much, I struck out on my own.

I hope you find a doc that will understand your problem.

Regards

Sulma
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   Posted 12/19/2008 2:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Gracie's Mom said...
Hi LymeFrustration~
I'm sorry to hear you are so sick.
IMHO, for an active, acute infection, allicin would just be a small part of treatment, significant part but a drop in the bucket. Dr. Zhang's whole protocol works synergistically and works on the immune system at the same time as killing infections. It's not a short term quick fix...it can take as long or longer than abx but in our experience is very effective. I highly recommend doc Zhang's book or consulting directly with him to best understand it...

Best wishes

   Critical point there.  It's just one component of a good overal nutraceutical treatment plan for LD. 
 
I've noticed while taking only large doses of freeze-dried garlic that my symptoms stabilized for the most part, and to some degree remitted, but there was no huge change from allicin alone. I don't know that allicin can do anything at all for BLO or Babs, and left untreated, those infections are going to keep you feeling dreadful.  

nefferdun
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   Posted 12/20/2008 9:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I used the zhang protocol from June 2008 until recently. I did not attempt to do herbs alone until I was nearly symptom free. I started with Allicin and Circulation P. Allicin makes your body have a strong garlic odor. After a month I could not tolerate the smell or taste and switched to Coptis and later Coptis and R-5081 along with Circulation P. At first these herbs worked very well for me but after a while the affect wore off and I began to get more symptoms. I believe they helped stabilize me but did not actually get me better than I was when I started them. Twice since Sept. I took a round of Ketek, once for two weeks and once for a week, because the symptoms were becoming pronounced. I believe herbs are the same as ABX, you have to switch now and then as the bacteria become resistant. Some of the herbs that you can try are, Cat's Claw, Samento (TOA free Cat's Claw), andrographis, Japanese knotweed, grapefruit seed extract, garlic, and Smilex. You have to take tremendous amounts of these 4 times a day. Don't rely on any of them to make you well if you are very sick and not using ABX.

hopingToFindCure
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   Posted 12/20/2008 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
This guy is good if you can get in -- He's in N.J. and he's a neurologist.

http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/new_jersey/internal_medicine/Andrew_R_Pachner.html

Perhaps you can have him make a recommendation.

LymeFrustration
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   Posted 12/21/2008 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, everyone, for the information and input. Maybe Allicin isn't worth a try. I guess I will have to read up on the Zhang protocol.

*Bella*
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   Posted 12/23/2008 10:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Gracie's Mom,

Could you tell me what herbs your OMD switched you to? I'm currently on the Zhang protocol, but would like to switch if this is something cheaper and better!

Thanks!

Sulma
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   Posted 12/23/2008 11:00 AM (GMT -6)   
whole fresh and whole freeze-dried garlic contain a whole group of compounds (thiosulfinates)with potential antimicrobial activity, not just allicin. In my case, something in there has a pronounced therapeutic effect on the LD insomnia, when nothing else ever made much of a difference.  It also eliminates the GI ailments whenever they crop up.
 
As for the Bb (Lyme) and the Bart and/or Bart-like-organism, I can't say that allicin or any of the thiosulfinates appear to have any effect.  I've taken over 10 grams of pharma grade freeze-dried garlic for months at a time, with no noticeable therapeutic effect.  If garlic crosses the blood-brain barrier or penetrates into deep tissue, it must not do so in sufficient amounts or for a long enough period of time (half life) to do much damage against Bb.

krb
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   Posted 2/1/2009 10:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I am currently taking Allisure AC-23 Allicin powder. I take six capsules a day at 450 mg each (make sure you get the 450 mg capsules as they are Physician's strength). I have been on it for approximately two weeks. I have had a pretty strong herx and I cut back to 3 capsules a day for 4 days but am now back up to six capsules. I am taking it for my chronic Lyme disease and also have the coinfection, Bartonella. I paid $130 for a bottle of 60 capsules. I"m hoping it will work.....

Post Edited (krb) : 2/1/2009 10:42:13 PM (GMT-7)


Chris L
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   Posted 2/2/2009 8:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Sulma said...
whole fresh and whole freeze-dried garlic contain a whole group of compounds (thiosulfinates)with potential antimicrobial activity, not just allicin. In my case, something in there has a pronounced therapeutic effect on the LD insomnia, when nothing else ever made much of a difference.  It also eliminates the GI ailments whenever they crop up.
 
As for the Bb (Lyme) and the Bart and/or Bart-like-organism, I can't say that allicin or any of the thiosulfinates appear to have any effect.  I've taken over 10 grams of pharma grade freeze-dried garlic for months at a time, with no noticeable therapeutic effect.  If garlic crosses the blood-brain barrier or penetrates into deep tissue, it must not do so in sufficient amounts or for a long enough period of time (half life) to do much damage against Bb.
 Hey Sulma,
 
I'm confused.  So the garlic helped with LD insomnia and GI ailments but not Bb (lyme)?  I'm just trying to get a handle on the use of garlic as I am considering starting a fresh garlic supplementation.
 
Also can you be a little more specific on your GI ailments.  My Lyme has dogged my GI tract horribly, and I want to see if it would help with constipation. 
 
Thanks!

Tracy Will
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   Posted 2/2/2009 10:19 PM (GMT -6)   
My LLD has recommended I take Allicin. The smell and taste make me so sick though!!!

Tracy Will
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   Posted 2/4/2009 10:18 PM (GMT -6)   
PS....and my husband can't stop complaining about my breath!!!

Chris L
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   Posted 2/5/2009 7:34 PM (GMT -6)   

Thanks Gracie's Mom.

I checked into it and everything I read indicated that rhubarb was for short term use only.  I have constipation constantly, so I'm not sure it I could keep using it after a week or two. 

Again...thanks for the lead though.  smilewinkgrin


Tracy Will
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   Posted 2/5/2009 10:30 PM (GMT -6)   
The best thing I have found for constipation is Fiber Force Plus from Puritans Pride. I think that's what it's called, or Fiber Force 6. It amazes me how well it works.

LivingHealthy
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   Posted 3/8/2009 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is a great ebook, that has benefits to over 64 medical conditions.
It's 177 pages long, with research to back it up.
I have used Alligin ( a supplement containing 150 mg Allicin & 150 mg Ginger) equaling approximately 20-25 cloves of garlic per capsule. And, I have never gotten any bad odor from it. Allicin is what occurs following a reaction that takes place with the garlic, so you shouldn't get an odor.
The book is called "Allicin & Ginger, Nature's Power Healers", by Peter Josling. You can download it FREE at http://www.superimmune.org/colleen. The website also has some great links about MRSA & other drug resistant infections that Allicin is helpful with.

krb
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   Posted 3/8/2009 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
That's great. I've been taking Allicin for six weeks now. I'm following the same Lyme pilot study that Allimed ran with their product called Allisure AC-23 Allicin. They make it only in England. The author of your article, Peter Josling, is the one who discovered it. There is absolutely no odor. I take 6 capsules a day at 450 mg each. The lyme pilot study they ran was 90% successful. However, there isn't much out there about this pilot study.

LaDona
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   Posted 5/12/2016 8:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey,
Real Allicin Allimed never makes you smell. And is not really all that Expensive, i paid only 14 euro for 30 Capsules a 180 mg pure Allicin. It is Allicin which kills allmost every Bacteria existant and yes it KILLS Borrelia. I realised a Betterment of my Chronic Lyme Arthritis after taking only 1 Capsule each 12 Hours. One in Morning one before Sleeping. Fresh Garlic Allicin evaporates and Changes into Sulphur. This Type of Allicin here is not frozen or dried it is Isolated and Locked in with a Special Registrated Formula and it really helps. I also think is NOT good to take as much as you Guys describe here. There was a Study that prooved that pure Allicin kills Bacteria even if you dillute it 10 000 Times. So taking one Capsule a Day is sufficient. I am so happy i suffered for so long and now Allicin managed what Antibiotics did NOT!!! and it had none of the horrible harmfull Effects Antibiotics have.

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   Posted 5/12/2016 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
H LaDona, welcome to our community!


I'm sorry you have Lyme Disease...but glad you found us here. This is a great group of like-minded people - lots of knowledge and support here.

How long have you been treating with the garlic? (if you don't mind sharing that)
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Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14; added biaxin Sept. 26/14 Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.; Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin); Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif; Nov. switched mino to biaxin.
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