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jennie48
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   Posted 1/1/2009 6:57 PM (GMT -6)   
hello....i know that when you have lyme your not supposed to drink but i did on exmas eve and on christmass and i did last night on new years...before my boyfriend came to pick me up had a glass of wine and then a rum and coke then i was in the bathroom doing number 2....b4 i had found out i had lyme this would happen alot, so when i got to his house i had 2 more cokes and rum and then right b4 midnight I blacked out and got sick threw up and then i was throwing up black stuff then i blacked out again and cried for almost 2 hrs about having lyme to my boyfriend...i felt so bad that i had to have him deal with me like that...then i remember b4 we went to bed i kept telling him i love you (we havnt told eachother yet) and he said no you dont and i kept asking him if he loved me and i was getting more upset and forcing him to tell me but then he said yes i love you and then i said no you dont and then i think i passed out....since i got lyme i dont do much drinking anymore but the last 2 times i have cried really hard after i had gotten sick....about 3 weeks ago i had some martinis and got sick then cried my eyes out....
 
has anymone had this expirence and my hang over was horriblethis time, i was very dizzy and distorted all day and forgetful and in the bathroom and nauces...this was my first bad hang over with lyme....is it the sugar thats bad for you thats on the alchole? why is it so bad for lyme?
 
thanks blush
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Razzle
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   Posted 1/2/2009 12:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Don't know for sure, but my guess is this: Alcohol stresses the liver, and so do the toxic byproducts of Lyme/die-off. Combining the two (Lyme toxins + alcohol) intensifies the stress on the liver, thus the more intense hangovers, etc. Also, many medications do not mix well with alcoholic drinks, so be careful mixing the two...
-Razzle
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nefferdun
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   Posted 1/2/2009 8:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Lyme explodes on sugar, and alcohol is a form of sugar.  Some LLMD's will not bother to try to treat you if you consume alcohol.  You shouldn't be having the coke either or candy, sugar, white flour or any food high in carbs like corn, bananas and potatoes.  It is a tuff diet to follow and we all fall off now and then - but drinking is a big no no you can't afford to ignore.  I made the mistake of allowing myself honey as a replacement for sugar and I was going over board on it. I found myself out of remission, plummiting into more and more symptoms - now back on abx.  You just don't get "well" with lyme.  You have to be diligent and when you are feeling completely out of it emotionally and mentally, it is very hard to stay on course. 
 
If your boyfriend really cares about you he will not expose you to situations where there is alcohol.  You need to love yourself first before you have that love to give to anyone else and that requires taking care of yourself.  It is not anyone else responsibility but they should care and not put you in harms way.

Post Edited (nefferdun) : 1/2/2009 7:19:06 AM (GMT-7)


Dowa
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   Posted 1/2/2009 12:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I think probably nearly everyone here would have enjoyed a cocktail on New Years Eve, just to have the chance to feel "normal." But, we do what we HAVE to do to stay well. If you are going to drink, you will pay the consequences. Sounds harsh, but its pretty simple to figure out. Your liver is doing the best it can for you, you should treat it better.. D

jennie48
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   Posted 1/3/2009 9:33 AM (GMT -6)   
hello....I did notice that when i was drinking that i was feeling better...I know i have to be stronger and not drink at all. My 30th birthday is monday and i am celebrating it tonight....i told all my friends that i cant drink and they were like not even just one .... I would live to just have one but i dont wanna be sick like i was on new years.

My boyfriend doesnt understand much about lyme and when he drinks i usually dont and i never explained to him really why i cant drink but now that i know it harms the liver more with lyme from the toxins i will explain that to him.

I know I need to start to take better care of myself lattly.....i just wanted to be normal for once you know....I am a addicted to sugar and i used to have to have candy bar almostevery day and i dont at all anymore...its so hard to stay away from sugar.

My dad wanted me to get my liver checked out cause i had a hyperclacemai attack.....does that have to do with anything with my liver?

thank you
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meds-zithromax 500mg one a day/ 1  month // Plaquenil 200mg twice a day/ 1 month
starting 10/3 doxy100mg // omnicef 300mg
 
ADHD/anxiety/depression// celexa 20mg


hopingToFindCure
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   Posted 1/3/2009 10:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Drinking to excess in any situation is bad for you. An occasional glass of wine is healthful...But w/ Lyme, you can't even do that apparently. I'm glad I'm older and no longer have to be in situations where I might be inclined to partake. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to, but I know I cannot.

Onmyway
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   Posted 1/3/2009 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   

NO Alcohol!!!!

I know it is hard b/c i am 35 and I used to party all the time with my friends but if you want to get well you have to knock the alcohol off! Not even for special occasions! First of all is cancels out all of your antibiotics and secondly you should never drink on Celexa!!! It is hard to not drink I totallly understand! Sometimes you have to pass on those outings. I have learned to say no b/c personally giving it up now and getting better is way more improtant to me than getting a buzz on and then throwing nyself backwards! It is not worth it!!! It is really tough at our age but you have the rest of your life.

 Your main goal should be to get well now so you can enjoy a party later!!!! You will be healthy in the future you just have to stay on the straight and narrow now! A little secrifice won't hurt! The forum is here for you also to help you with that!!!!

Best of luck and stay tough!!!!! :-)

Onmyway


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Razzle
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   Posted 1/3/2009 8:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Blood sugar issues are usually a pancreas issue (the pancreas makes insulin, which is needed to process sugar in the blood), but many Naturopathic type physicians will tell you that poor liver function can impact all areas of health. If your blood sugar was high, it would be a good idea to discuss getting screened for Diabetes with your doctor.

Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
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SickInCT
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   Posted 1/4/2009 6:50 AM (GMT -6)   
OMG!! I know!!! My body goes CRAZY after drinking even in very small amounts with Lyme (1/2 a beer) The next day I get crazy muscle twitching and a very exaggerated hangover. Before I had Lyme I could drink heavily (if I wanted to) with no problems whatsoever not even a hangover the next day. I think if we knew exactly why we flare up so intensely then we would be closer to a more effective treatment. I asked many dr's and they tell me they have no idea why I would experience this. It's so good to be able to finally relate!! If I would have to guess from my research over the past couple years I would say its because your liver is already compromised and overworked from Lyme OR the alcohol/sugar makes the Lyme spiroceet go crazy. I am pretty confident it is one of the two!

I would also like to get more review of this issue.

Post Edited (SickInCT) : 1/4/2009 6:00:37 AM (GMT-7)


Sulma
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   Posted 1/4/2009 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
SickInCT said...
I would say its because your liver is already compromised and overworked from Lyme OR the alcohol/sugar makes the Lyme spiroceet go crazy. I am pretty confident it is one of the two!


I feel pretty confident that the rapid decomp people experience after one evening of drinking is due to the liver toxic overload, not the bit of sugar that that gets to the Borrelia in your body.

I don't see the bodywide population of Borrelia growing enough from say 100 grams of sugar from an evening of boozing to make you feel dramatically worse. I think the liver is already pushed to it's max trying to filter all the toxins from our sick bodies, so that adding the job of oxidizing alcohol means that suddenly a lot more toxins begin backing up in our brains, bloodstreams, etc, and that can have a rapid, dramatic ill effect.

Sulma
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   Posted 1/4/2009 4:03 PM (GMT -6)   
nefferdun said...
Lyme explodes on sugar, and alcohol is a form of sugar. Some LLMD's will not bother to try to treat you if you consume alcohol. You shouldn't be having the coke either or candy, sugar, white flour or any food high in carbs like corn, bananas and potatoes. It is a tuff diet to follow and we all fall off now and then - but drinking is a big no no you can't afford to ignore. I made the mistake of allowing myself honey as a replacement for sugar and I was going over board on it. I found myself out of remission, plummiting into more and more symptoms - now back on abx. You just don't get "well" with lyme. You have to be diligent and when you are feeling completely out of it emotionally and mentally, it is very hard to stay on course.


If your boyfriend really cares about you he will not expose you to situations where there is alcohol. You need to love yourself first before you have that love to give to anyone else and that requires taking care of yourself. It is not anyone else responsibility but they should care and not put you in harms way.


I don't agree that bananas should be included with corn and potatoes, since the fruit is a high glycemic index carb and the other two low. Our bodies need glucose, and I don't think it's advisable to avoid low glycemic index carbohydrates like corn, potatoes, long-grain brown rice, oats, etc. High GI carbs break down into simple sugars very rapidly, and low GI carbs make that change far more slowly.

There are very knowledgeable Lyme researchers and theorists like Deitrich Klinghardt who disagree with the blanket advice to avoid all carbs. For some of us, given our condition and/or co-infections, a "raw diet" might be clinically appropriate, but I think it's a bad idea to think we should all avoid all carbs.

jennie48
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   Posted 1/4/2009 9:30 PM (GMT -6)   
hello everyone.....I am so proud of all of you to have the will power to not to drink...i gess since i have been a bit depressed it makes me want to have a drink i know its no excuse but turning 30 is a huge step and i want this year to be filled with changes and to get better. I wil not drink anymore...exercise...take my vitamines....eat right and get motivated to find my dream job....

I just dont understand one thing i know i have probally readt it b4 on here. but why do ew get so many toxins in our body from one lil tick? when i tell people this they look at me strange and dont understand and i cant explain it to them...ooo one more thing has anyone every tried thoses detox foot pads? my frined wants to buy them for me to see if it will help get rid of the toxins also has anyone every heard of noni juice from tahiti well my friend got me a bottle of it for my bday and its suposed to help with energy..i guess you take 2oz b4 brakfeast and dinner?

thank you all for the info....i appreciate all of it....I do feel off in my head the last few days like dizzy here and there :(
ok bye bye
"I will not let Lyme controll my life i will controll my own life"
lyme since June 08
meds-zithromax 500mg one a day/ 1  month // Plaquenil 200mg twice a day/ 1 month
starting 10/3 doxy100mg // omnicef 300mg
 
ADHD/anxiety/depression// celexa 20mg


kwahraps
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   Posted 1/5/2009 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   

"is it the sugar thats bad for you thats on the alchole? why is it so bad for lyme?"

First off, alcohol weakens the immune system.  Do a general search for alcohol and the immune system and you should get a bunch of hits. 

"but why do ew get so many toxins in our body from one lil tick?"

That one little tick can fill your body with damaging bacterial invaders which can evade your immune system.  Co-infections only complicate matters.  Once those bacteria can set up shop, they can unload some of their own toxins, but, more importantly, they can weaken the immune system to the point that opportunisitic infections can occur.  Normally, a healthy immune system should be able to fight off a candida infection.  But, a compromised indiviudal is susceptible to these pathogens, which may already be present in their system.  Once they build up, they release harmful toxins which only add to the damage.

The alcohol only contributes to weakening your immune system, which lets all the opportunistic buggers run wild.  You could even say they are having a party of their own.

In short, you need to strengthen your immune system as much as possible, which means laying off alcohol.  Another thing to consider is a food allergy test.  Imagine if you were to discover that you were allergic to a particular food, and you consumed that food on a daily basis.  Your already weakened immune system now has to deal with this allergy, which takes away from fighting off the toxins/bacterial invaders/opportunistic infections.  In order to give your body the best possible chance of recovering, you have to understand what you are up against.


abanana07
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   Posted 1/5/2009 11:05 AM (GMT -6)   
jennie48 - believe me, we've all been there. I had a pretty bad new years last year (no throwing up, but crying to my boyfriend) - and I didn't even have lyme then. Don't beat yourself up about it - learn from it and move on.

Also - if you're on antibiotics for anything (lyme included) you shouldn't drink. I don't want to repeat what everyone else has said but it does have a lot to do with the liver.

I just finished treatment for lyme and wasn't drinking while on antibiotics. Even once you're done, you'll still probably want to watch it with the drinking - I had two glasses of wine the other day and was definitely tipsy. So basically, take care of yourself first and foremost and learn to give yourself a break. Don't be so hard on yourself for being under a great deal of physical and emotional stress right now. Here's to a healthier 2009!!

Good luck!

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   Posted 1/5/2009 2:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I stopped drinking when it became unfun.  Between the hangover after one drink and the mental confusion from drinking (on top of the mental confusion from Lyme) drinking lost its luster.  It got to the point where I couldn't drive safely even after one drink.
 
To this date I have not had a sip of alcohol in 9 years and haven't missed it a bit. 
 
 
 
 

jennie48
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   Posted 1/7/2009 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
hello everyone.....i def. do not want to drink anymore and so not craving it since i got sick and I think i am either herxing really bad this past week or it just the lyme bothering me. I have had flu symtoms the past 4 days and feel very hot to touch but i am not really hot i dont know i cant explain it....my body gets warm and sweety but only in the inside its a weird feeling....i am exhausted all the time....I have been taking beter care of myself . i am so not motivated to do anything again....
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meds-zithromax 500mg one a day/ 1  month // Plaquenil 200mg twice a day/ 1 month
starting 10/3 doxy100mg // omnicef 300mg
 
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   Posted 1/7/2009 9:21 PM (GMT -6)   
jeanie
yeah sorry for the bad news. but if you read the effects of lyme girl it is on the long list. I know at your young age you will keep trying to find out what you can get away with...lol
martini is out of the question girl. i too tried over and over to see how much i could at least try to have some fun. and yes, hugging the john and passing out, and then the throwing up for 3 days afterwards and the wors migraine for 4 days from two glasses of red wine.
well you will also notice that this new sensitivity you feel will also have to do with drugs. pills and things that your dr.s will give you. very small amounts and servings will have a big impact on you. so be careful. the silver lining. think of the weight you will lose from the booze. and you will look much better and in the long run you will look alot better. I found that I am able to drink a light beer or two. without dying and no side effects. no, i never liked beer before. but i found that if i really dressed it up, lime, salt around the rim. etc. or even a single glass of while wine. but get a side of ice and a side of club soda. and make that one glass of wine last a while by duluting it. just tell people that you cannot have more to drink or you will puck on them...lol.....:>)
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We all got it again this summer is Texas.
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jennie48
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   Posted 1/8/2009 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   
hello MV.......is the reason why i am having a herx is cause i have been drinking. since sunday i have had very bad flu syptoms. i had a cold b4 the holidays and felt my imune system breaking dwn then the holidays came i was running around alot then the drinking didnt mix well with all of that.....anyways If I am out whenever that will be again I love wine so I will try that and or the light beer but I am afraid to drink again for a long time.

i hane another question that you probally can answere for me..... when you are herxing is it normal to be so dehydrated and i am so tired that i just wanna sleep all day and be a lump...all i am on is my abx , i havnt taken anything else to help my lyme cause the abx was helping me for a good month and i felt great. but ow i am back to square one. i know that everyone on here does natual ways and other vitamines mixed with the abx...but i just dont know what to take with the abx, i go see my dr on monday and i am going to ask him but womdering if there is something i can take to build up the imune system while on abx....also when i do anything physical i feel worse is that normal when your lyme is acting up....

thank you again jennie
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meds-zithromax 500mg one a day/ 1  month // Plaquenil 200mg twice a day/ 1 month
starting 10/3 doxy100mg // omnicef 300mg
 
ADHD/anxiety/depression// celexa 20mg


Debrasusan
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   Posted 2/25/2013 12:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I want to suggest something that has helped me tremendously with my Lyme Disease. It is a PEMF device, and it has given my my life back. If you would like more information, you can email me at susan@susanmosher.net. I wish everyone a speedy recovery.

Susan

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   Posted 2/25/2013 6:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a severe reaction to small amounts of alcohol, first i get sick and stop drinking, vomit then hours later vomit for hours and hours and have a terrible hangover.
Its not the sugar cause I cant go low carb right now, i barely eat as it is. I have had soda for my nausea and other carbs and sugar and its not that.
Its the alcohol. I also didnt drink with any meds in my system so it isnt an interaction problem.
Totally just cant drink anymore, its a huge bummer too.
You probably threw up black cause thats what coke looks like barfed up, flakes of black or brown. im like a vomit expert now.

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   Posted 2/25/2013 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Hmmm, not sure what brought up this old thread but its funny, I cheated Saturday night and had a few drinks.

I know it was a huge risk but for whatever reason I was fine yesterday, and I'm fine today! I wonder if since Lyme has "cycles", if there are sometimes alcohol (in moderation of course), is easier on us than other times? Not condoning it...just sharing personal experiences here. There have been other times where just half a glass of wine has made me feel miserable. So for the most part I've given it up, but I'm human and I slipped a little over the weekend. But I got lucky, felt/feel fine, had a blast and have no regrets! :)

Susan would you care to tell a bit more about the PEMF device? Thank you!

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   Posted 2/25/2013 11:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Just wanted to point out a few things. Cola's have corn syrup added to them for sugar, which is GMO and mold. You don't want any corn products or corn syrup at all in your diet. The only corn I would eat is if I knew it was NOT GMO and organically grown.

And if you drink diet sodas you really asking for more problems with Aspartame - Google the "Taste that kills". All diet drinks and artifical sweetners are so harmful for your health.

Besides all good comments about alcoholic drinks, wine, beer =YEAST, it lowers your immune system!
You cannot afford to lower your already compromised system. Unless your drinking an organic wine - they are full of pesticides! Take a trip to the wine country and see how heavily they spray the vine's.
This time should be a time to look at your over all health and well being, and renew your spirit. Make yourself better than ever before, make a new you.

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   Posted 2/26/2013 4:43 AM (GMT -6)   

I haven't been drinking for about 8 years now. I don't need to: I get the bad hangover feeling for free, no alcohol involved!!  yeah  

I'm just thinking about this: Lyme puts a lot of pressure on our liver - alcohol does the same thing - put them both together...

 


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TICKLEDPINK
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   Posted 2/26/2013 4:55 AM (GMT -6)   
.......and what have you got? a recipe for disaster!

I don't ever touch the booze,it doesn't like me and I've completely lost all interest in it.

But,if you can handle it without the side effects,why not have a tipple now and then.

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   Posted 2/26/2013 7:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't get it. I can drink with no problem as long as I don't overdo it.
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