For those treated for Babs, what were your Herx symptoms like?

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Sulma
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   Posted 1/17/2009 2:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Or did you ever have any?

Spring will be two years since I was first diagnosed, and like most of us had a lot of sxs of Babesiosis all along, though it was ever serologically confirmed. I frequently get the headaches at the base of the skull from heat or slight exercise that remit when I rest, that dopey, lightheaded feeling, and of course hot flashes whenever I let myself get even slightly run down.

So I started the Zhang Artemesinae last Saturday and have done 7 full days of 1200mgs daily. Though it did seem like I was hot flashing at unconventional times, like when I wasn't at all rundown or tired and was maybe getting the dopey lightheadedness more often, none of the increases were really substantial. Nothing like the Lyme and Bart Herxes that have kicked my butt terribly in the past. I haven't had any hot flashes at all since Tuesday, but I hear about people Herxing on effective Babs treatments so I'm wondering if the Art is therapeutic or not.

minerals
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   Posted 1/17/2009 3:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been treating babs for 2 years now with a positive test. The effective treatment for me was Mepron. I am now on malerone. I never had sweats with babs but all other symptoms such as extremely stiff painfull neck, shoulders, headaches in back of head, heak muscles in arms and legs and more. I tried to get off meds after one year as my symptoms left me but after only one month off.... the symptoms came raging back. So here I am now taking malerone along with drugs for bart and feeling alot better. I hope someday I will get the courage to go off meds again and get on herbals. Good luck with your healing and blessings to you. 

DX. LYME  7 /03 -I believe I 've had it since 1985- 
oral doxi, amoxi 6 months. Have been bitten 2x since                  
Developed many chemical & food sensitivities& Allergies to many Suppliments
Swollen Burning tongue/lips
Hashimotos Thyroiditis
DX. Babsiosis 4/07 -Malerone 2 wks, Mepron & Azithromax 6 mos. 
Armour Thyroid
Probiotics are a MUST   
Almost died from 3 doses of Plaquanil 12/07
IV Rocephin began 12/4/07
Bactrim began 1/22/07
Stopped Rocephin 3/04/08
Mepron, Azithrommax, Rafampin 5/29/08
Stopped Rifampin began Bactrim and zithro 6/2/08
stopped Mepron 7 22/08
switched from bactrim to levaquin and had bad reaction to levaquin
began Mepron again till Nov, then began Malerone
began Rifampin and Minocycline
Outstare The Darkness--The Light Will Come!


RAW VEGAN
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   Posted 1/17/2009 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Sulma,

In Nov. of 08 I tested positive for Lyme. Since I have multiple chemical sensitivities and am allergic to antibiotics I sought the alternative route. I have been using the Zhang protocol of Artemesinae since Dec. 20th. I was put on this first because my Bab symptoms were profound, such as, Malarial type sweats, chills, arm pain, etc. My herxes have been almost out of control but seem to follow a weekly cycle. I am hoping that they will calm down soon but they are still intensifying. I am told that the Artemesinae will knock out the Babs. I will then work on the rest of the bugs with more herbs and a Rife EMEM. I understand that if you can get rid of the Babs first, it will make the rest of the treatments more efficient.

I am new to this forum and I am so pleased that it exists!

Sulma
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   Posted 1/18/2009 5:41 PM (GMT -6)   
RAW VEGAN said...
Sulma,

In Nov. of 08 I tested positive for Lyme. Since I have multiple chemical sensitivities and am allergic to antibiotics I sought the alternative route. I have been using the Zhang protocol of Artemesinae since Dec. 20th. I was put on this first because my Bab symptoms were profound, such as, Malarial type sweats, chills, arm pain, etc. My herxes have been almost out of control but seem to follow a weekly cycle. I am hoping that they will calm down soon but they are still intensifying. I am told that the Artemesinae will knock out the Babs. I will then work on the rest of the bugs with more herbs and a Rife EMEM. I understand that if you can get rid of the Babs first, it will make the rest of the treatments more efficient.

I am new to this forum and I am so pleased that it exists!


Hey RV, I started on the Art on 1/10. You've got a bit of a jump on me. :-) For whatever reason I can't say that my Babs symptoms were ever as severe as a lot of Lymies, usually only hit me when like I mentioned I allowed myself to become rundown. Wow so the Zhang Artemesinae has been causing severe Herxes for you? Are you doing it just 3x a day like recommended or are you doing it more frequently?

Sulma
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   Posted 1/18/2009 5:44 PM (GMT -6)   
minerals said...
I have been treating babs for 2 years now with a positive test. The effective treatment for me was Mepron. I am now on malerone. I never had sweats with babs but all other symptoms such as extremely stiff painfull neck, shoulders, headaches in back of head, heak muscles in arms and legs and more. I tried to get off meds after one year as my symptoms left me but after only one month off.... the symptoms came raging back. So here I am now taking malerone along with drugs for bart and feeling alot better. I hope someday I will get the courage to go off meds again and get on herbals. Good luck with your healing and blessings to you.


Thanks for the response, mija. So your Babs symptoms did noticeably flare back when you started the Mepron and again when you started the Malerone? I'm just wondering why I Herx so dreadfully when I hit the Bart, but can't say really much of anything is happening now I'm trying to beat up on the Babs.

minerals
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   Posted 1/18/2009 6:43 PM (GMT -6)   
While most of my symptoms are much much better, since treating with minocycline, rifampin and malerone since September, I now get sweats round the clock better now then 3 months ago. Is it a flare? I don't know, I NEVER got sweats before.
DX. LYME  7 /03 -I believe I 've had it since 1985- 
oral doxi, amoxi 6 months. Have been bitten 2x since                  
Developed many chemical & food sensitivities& Allergies to many Suppliments
Swollen Burning tongue/lips
Hashimotos Thyroiditis
DX. Babsiosis 4/07 -Malerone 2 wks, Mepron & Azithromax 6 mos. 
Armour Thyroid
Probiotics are a MUST   
Almost died from 3 doses of Plaquanil 12/07
IV Rocephin began 12/4/07
Bactrim began 1/22/07
Stopped Rocephin 3/04/08
Mepron, Azithrommax, Rafampin 5/29/08
Stopped Rifampin began Bactrim and zithro 6/2/08
stopped Mepron 7 22/08
switched from bactrim to levaquin and had bad reaction to levaquin
began Mepron again till Nov, then began Malerone
began Rifampin and Minocycline
Outstare The Darkness--The Light Will Come!


LupnerRN
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Date Joined Sep 2008
Total Posts : 350
   Posted 1/18/2009 7:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,

I'm on Artemisinin also, 1200mg daily since 10/08 I think. 5 days on, 2 off. My LLMD put me on this herbal med because I'm already on Biaxin, Plaquinil and Cipro and didn't want to add another anbx yet.

I'm confused about the Herxing. I've never had any severe increase in symptoms after taking a med. I haven't been able to see any patterns with my symptoms. Other than every thing worse at the end of the day when I'm really tired. So I've never really been able to tell the difference between my normal crappy symptoms or if I'm herxing. I was kind of expecting the Herx when going back on the Artemisinin after being off for 2 days,(on 5 days, off 2) but no notible changes.

Minerals - I know someone who had LD for about ten years before her diagnosis too. She is on her 3rd year of treatment and starting to do pretty good. She's able to work 3 - 6 hour days as a Dietician.

Lisa
11/07 symptoms start
7/4/08  IGenX LD positive,gluten sensitivity,low magn, low WBC's,+yeast/bacteria/tapeworm/roundworm, EBV,HHV,CMV,Parvo,
7/25/08 started on Biaxin
9/08 IGenX co-infections neg, but probable Bart, Bab, Erhl
11/08  Biaxin,Plaquenil,Cipro, Artemisinin,3 probiotics,Transfer Immune, Bcomplex,MultiVit,omega3,magnesium,
 


RAW VEGAN
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   Posted 1/19/2009 9:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Sulma,

I have been on Art. 1200mg a day. I am so sick and cannot stop the herxing. I am considering stopping at this point because I feel that my body is shutting down. Have you heard of Dr. Jernigan?

Regards,

RV

Ulster12429
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   Posted 5/23/2012 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Dear RV
What were the herxs and what happened, I see your post is ancient history but I hope you are still active. I too was sick as a dog, and need to figure out whether to try again. (i quit) m
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