Should we be treating Viral Loads with Lyme

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KeepHope
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   Posted 1/20/2009 9:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Viral Medicine

Post Edited (KeepHope) : 3/8/2009 1:23:29 AM (GMT-7)


Razzle
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   Posted 1/21/2009 12:12 AM (GMT -6)   
I think this only is necessary to treat the viruses in those who have symptomatic or positive active antibody titers to EBV and other viruses. And most treatments that strengthen the immune system (i.e., herbs, nutrition, etc.) will have the effect of also helping the body fight the viruses as well as the Lyme.

Just my humble opinion...
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), IV Cipro (for G-tube site infection).


SickInCT
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   Posted 1/21/2009 9:04 AM (GMT -6)   
KeepHope said...
I have heard and read that Lyme docs say no need to treat viral loads during treatment for Lyme and Bartonella and Babesia and such..

I also have read that many do get treatment for things like EBV and CMV and HHV ..

I am struggling with this and after a viral attack and treatment I see how well I have reacted to anti viral meds and I am wondering why this is not added to the treatment regimen ongoing to keep those viruses in remission.

Anyone have ideas or experiences...

Thanks


KeepHope, what were you on for anti viral and at what dose? Something like Valtrex?

bcaring
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   Posted 1/21/2009 11:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Keep Hope,

I think this is a good question.

Back in August 2007 my lyme physician ran blood work and explained that I had high antibodies to epstein barr, HV 6's, mycoplasma, cytomeglavirus, and chlaymidia pneumonie. I was Elilsa positive with several western blot bands. Mine was late stage neuro lyme because I have a history of lyme. We started long agrressive treatment with IV antibiotics which ended in Dec. 2008 and I am now on orals and trying to get the bicillan injections figured out (ins approval, who will give them to me, etc.) At the time the doctor was explaining the results in Aug. 2007, it was mentioned that at some point I would most likely be put on antivirals, put that it would be later in treatment because it would be too much on my system.

Now, I know someone else who is seeing the doctor who is being put on oral antibioitics and an anti-viral.

Can you tell me what med you were put on? Also, is your physician in New Jersey?

I asked about the antivirals at one point in treatment and again was told not now. I will bring it up on my next appt. but that is not for a while. It is true that herpetic infections in the brain can cause symptoms similar to those of inflammation of the brain. Also, think in terms of herpes zoster or shingles which causes severe nerve pain.

I hope others respond to your post. There must be others who have been treated with antivirals.
bcaring

SickInCT
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   Posted 1/21/2009 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Nerve pain from Herpes? Do you mean Syphilis? I know Syphilis is almost identical to the Lyme bacteria with the same symptoms and even the same treatments!

CherylSue
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   Posted 1/23/2009 5:18 PM (GMT -6)   
My LLMD suggested I take Lauricidin pellets or colloidal silver for viruses. Lauricidin is stronger, and you have to go slower and build up slowly.

CherylSue

CherylSue
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   Posted 1/25/2009 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
go to Lauricidin.com You can purchase it online or call them.

CherylSue

Agmaar
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   Posted 1/25/2009 10:40 AM (GMT -6)   
At some point we'll be adding in an anti-viral for the C. pneumonia coinfection. While the anti-viral doens't treat the bacteria itself, it does make the antibiotic more effective. It has something to do with the Chlamydia not having a cell wall.
Rich
 
Lyme, anxitey, depression, chronic C. Pnuemoniae
 
"... expect the unexpected ..."  (O. Wilde)
 
"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened." (Mark Twain)
 
 


Purple Tulip
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   Posted 1/28/2009 5:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
I haven't posted in a very long time. But I have a bit of experience with these subjects so I will add my two cents.
 
I did IV rochephin to start my lyme treatment. The idea was to hit the lyme hard, and as someone suggested, and see if the immune system gets more freed up to fight the viruses.  But, that doesn't always happen.  So after 12 weeks, my doctor put me on Valcyte for a CMV virus that wouldn't  budge.  The titers were still very high.  I took Valcyte for almost half a year.  When my insurance ran out I followed it up with monolauren a natural anti viral.  The fatigue from the CMV is gone. 
 
C Pneumonia is not a virus and must be hit with a combination antibiotic protocol like azith, flagyl and INH (isoniozid).    See www.cpnhelp.com   I completed this protocol as well.  I do still take a CAP for lyme.  I will have a CD 57 test to see how well that is coming.
 
I am doing well.  These protocols have worked for me.    I was very sick - house ridden-  and I now work part time and manage my home with two teens (my husband travels alot with his job) with no crashes. 

It's work, but worth it.

Sulma
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   Posted 1/28/2009 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
KeepHope said...
I have heard and read that Lyme docs say no need to treat viral loads during treatment for Lyme and Bartonella and Babesia and such..

I also have read that many do get treatment for things like EBV and CMV and HHV ..

I am struggling with this and after a viral attack and treatment I see how well I have reacted to anti viral meds and I am wondering why this is not added to the treatment regimen ongoing to keep those viruses in remission.

Anyone have ideas or experiences...

Thanks


Great question! I never knew I was carrying HPV (human papilloma virus) until I got LD. I suppose the pre-existing infection exploited my compromised immune system, because I've got breakouts lasting months during the three years I've been sick.

I've no idea if it was a coincidence, but the only time it has ever rapidly cleared up was when I was taking Jernigan's antiviral product.

To answer the titular question though, heck yeah I think we should.
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