What do allergies have to do with Lyme?

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Thea_ls
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   Posted 1/29/2009 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I noticed in one of the posts, someone asked the poster if they owned cats. I have 2 cats, and I am highly allergic to cats, but they are like my babies and I could not live without them. In an allergy skin test my wheal was 3+ cm...not mm but cm. My question is, what is the connection...why would they ask the poster if they owned cats.

When I had my allergy skin test I was allergic to everything except mold and mites...the gross stuff I can handle???? but any tree/animal/grass I can't??? lol I'll try to find my results paper and post it at this site when I do: http://s577.photobucket.com/albums/ss214/ask00000/ I was supposed to do shots but I never did.

Thanks,
Thea

Post Edited (Thea_ls) : 1/29/2009 11:37:01 AM (GMT-7)


phsinvent
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   Posted 1/29/2009 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   

I was probably the one that posted it. The main concern with cats is many of them carry bartonella and you wouldn't even know it. They usually don't show the signs but it can be transmitted to humans via scratch, lick, bite or from fleas. I'm not saying to get rid of the cats but they could pass it to a human and the symptoms for bartonella alone could easily be just like lyme. Something to take into consideration.  

According to the typical medical system. Bartonella is another one of those "hard to get and easy to treat", they even go as far to say it usually does not require treatment. I have to disagree. I think most doctors don't even understand it.


susan1122
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   Posted 1/29/2009 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, my sister-in-law got Bart from her cat.

Thea_ls
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   Posted 1/29/2009 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I found the paper, I will just write the results, it maybe be easier :P If you aren't familiar, usually allergies wheals are measured by mm, but some of mine were so large they had to be measured in cm. I was supposed to start shots, but never did. I may in the future. Not sure what this has to do w/ Lyme, but I heard people tend to be allergic to things, also like I mentioned above, someone in another post asked if the poster owned cats. (I have never been tested for food allergies, although I think I am gluten/casin allergic as well.)

Trees (these were the only ones I was tested for and I was allergic to all of them):
4x4 mm - Birch mix
7x7 mm - Elm
1.5x2 cm - Hackberry
3x3 mm - Juniper
1x1 cm - Maple Mix
1x1 cm - Mulberry
1x1 cm - Oak Mix
3x3 mm - Pine Mix
1x1 cm - Russian Olive
1x1 cm - Walnut, Black

Grasses (these were the only I was tested for and I was allergic to both):
1x1 cm Brome
8x8 mm Kentucky Blue

Weeds (same thing again, these were the only I was tested for all was allergic to all):
1x1 cm - Lamb's Quarter
1.5x1 cm - Marsh Elder
1x1 cm - Pigweed
4x4 cm - Ragweed

Mites negatives
Molds negatives

Animals (I was only tested for cats and dogs, my cats wheal was soo large it ran into the dog test and they couldn't tell if I was allergic to dogs :P):
3x3 cm - Cat

Dowa
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   Posted 1/29/2009 12:38 PM (GMT -6)   
From someone who is very allergic, let me say this. In my opinion its not that allergies have anything to do with Lyme, its that if you are around something you are extremely allergic to all the time, your toxic load on your body is increased. Therefore, the Lyme is going to bother you more as your body has more things to "fight." (allergens) I did allergy shots for awhile and they did help as it was one less thing for my body to deal with. Does that make any sense?? (:  D

Thea_ls
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   Posted 1/29/2009 12:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dowa,

Yes that makes since, and I do know that it takes a toll on me. I can't let them touch me w/ their nose or I have major problems, it happened just last night actually and had a huge fluid sac on my wrist from it :/. It started like a welt, then it progressed to an edema like fluid pocket under my skin, it was about 2in diameter. I will do shots, but I feel like my body isn't strong enough for it right now...also since I haven't been diagnosed yet, I don't want to "monkey around" with anything until I get some stuff straightened out. I have an appt w/ a LLMD on March 30th and am just trying to make it till then as I am having a lot of problems right now.

Post Edited (Thea_ls) : 1/29/2009 11:45:00 AM (GMT-7)


Sulma
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   Posted 1/29/2009 1:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I read that people with Lyme develop both anergies and allergies, the former being where the immune system fails to attack dangerous things and the latter being where it attacks innocuous ones. I like Dowa's theory that the allergies were already there, maybe just exacerbated by the Lyme. My nasal allergies have been there my entire life, but I've noticed they've gotten far worse since I got Lyme. The anergy is explained by the Lyme being able to find so effectively from the immune system, but I don't get how that generalizes to other dangerous invaders not getting marked for immune response.

Razzle
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   Posted 1/29/2009 2:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Sulma,

I think it has to do with the TH1/TH2 balance in the immune system. Lyme has the ability to shift the balance one way or another, and a boost in one naturally suppresses the other. So if Lyme shifts someone's immune system balance towards TH2, then they'll have lower response to other infections and more response to allergens. If Lyme shifts someone's immune system balance towards TH1, then they'll have anergy to allergens and will over-respond to various infections and possibly also develop autoimmune conditions.

Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), IV Cipro (for G-tube site infection).


Dowa
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   Posted 1/29/2009 2:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Razzle, what is TH1 and TH2 a measurement of ??  Still learning....thanks.  D 

Razzle
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   Posted 1/29/2009 4:30 PM (GMT -6)   
TH1 and TH2 are different pathways in the human immune system. TH1 is cell-mediated immunity (inflammation), TH2 is antibody-mediated immunity (allergy).
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Anemia, Lymphopenia, intermittant Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), IV Cipro (for G-tube site infection).


Dowa
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   Posted 1/29/2009 4:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you!!  D

KO-LD
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   Posted 1/30/2009 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,
Reading this just made me realize that I never had allergies until I was in my early 20's.  This is around the time the doctor thinks I was infected (based on symptoms I had that I didn't even know could be from LD).  Very interesting! 
KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol 


bcaring
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   Posted 1/30/2009 3:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Thea,

I was tested for allergies last summer and was allergic to many of the things you listed but also mold and dust. They said it was bad and I believe them because I haven't been able to breath well for years. I was found to be allergic to cats and dogs and my two little dogs are part of the family- 3 years old.

What they offered for convenience was sublinguinal drops in lieu of shots. The problem is the shots are covered by insurance and the drops are not. I chose to go with the drops for convenience. Three drops a day under the tongue. One bottle lasts about 4 months. The cost is $200 for the bottle. I pick up my next bottle this week and they will have increased the potency.

I am sooooo much better since starting. My dogs don't make me itch and I can breath. Also found saline and saline mosturizing drops help, especially with the dry winter air.

I was on IV's at the same time I started them so I wanted to let you know that it was ok. It didn't seem to affect me negatively - it helped a lot!
Beth

Dowa
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   Posted 1/30/2009 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   

Beth: I am so glad your allergist didnt recommend that you find a home for your dogs. That often happens. I had two golden retrievers for years that meant the world to me and I could not part with them no matter what. I did the drops also for years but shots are offered out here in Dallas. I got relief from both of them. The LOVE we get from out fur-babies is so important!! D

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