New ides to Help Reduce the HERX reactions?

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KeepHope
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   Posted 2/10/2009 12:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Please any ideas appreciated.

Post Edited (KeepHope) : 3/8/2009 1:44:42 AM (GMT-7)


ticker
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   Posted 2/10/2009 1:36 PM (GMT -6)   

KeepHope, make sure your doctor knows what you are experiencing.  His/her advice should be the first thing to follow.

Herxes are caused from toxins created when the bacteria are killed.  It is important to do things to detoxify.  Some things that can help to detox are exercising, saunas, detox baths, and taking supplements like Milk Thistle, Chitosan, Questran, or Parsley.  Ask your doctor about adding these to your protocol.

I believe some doctors recommend drinking Alka-Seltzer during a herx.  Drinking water with lemon may help some.


IH8Ticks
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   Posted 2/10/2009 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   
My doctor suggests Burbur. I've never felt any better with this, but I would be interested to know if anyone else had success with it. Other than that, I can only suggest plenty of fluids. I find that decaf green tea helps best -- four or more cups a day.

I'd really like to know the answer to this question myself. Also, I can't tell if I'm herxing or just sick.

dorit
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   Posted 2/10/2009 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi KeepHope,

I am so sorry to read that herxing caught you so badly!!

If I remember right, somebody here said activated carbonl was kind of "last exit" when herxing got too much, I do not remember who wrote about it but I think it was one of the veterans, maybe gracie`s mom; I will check if I find it again. I hope you get some relief quickly without being forced to stop your therapy!! dorit

dorit
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   Posted 2/10/2009 6:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi KeepHope,

I found the thread and it was Sojourner who said they used the activated carbon for Heth when her herxing got too bad and it helped because it goes through the body very quickly, but it interferes with abx resorption so it should be taken some hours after abx. Don`t know if this is an option for you. dorit

nefferdun
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   Posted 2/10/2009 8:48 PM (GMT -6)   
My LLMD recommends Quercetin to help reduce inflammation. He explained it very well - only I went brain dead a minute later so I can't tell you what the heck he said, but you might look it up.

dorit
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   Posted 2/11/2009 9:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Keephope,

WOW....linkmaster and listmaster No one you already are to me, I only can say THANK YOU so much again for the link about drug interactions;

I use a lot of herbal/ supplement stuff and I know that they may have severe ability to interact with so many processes in the body; now I have very good additional information!
In this text there is also a reference to proteases / bromelain which gives me additional understanding how wobenzym worked so well for me.

How is your herxing?! I hope you got some relief! dorit

nefferdun
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   Posted 2/12/2009 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for that link. It was very helpful. The LLMD told me quercetin reduces cytokins which are inflammatory. That was in the link you posted. Your bodies natural inflammatory reaction to all the toxins (as well as the toxins themselves) can make your symptoms much worse.

I remember seeing on the Envita site that lyme leaves it's antigen (described as it's "foot print") on your cells and then your immune system attacks your own body. The lyme bacteria change protein "overcoats" to remain invisable to your immune system - so much of the pain experienced is an inflammatory response of our bodies against our own tissue etc.

The site you gave also points out that an overgrowth of yeast can cause all the symptoms associated with lyme so you need to be careful about that. THe primary ingredient in the herbal compound given to me by the LLMD is grapefruit seed extract. I think it is a good idea to quit abx for a few weeks now an then to attack the yeast problem and get it under control. You probably know when you have it, there is a white coating on your tongue. When I have it really bad, my tongue turns greenish.

I think you can search drug interaction and drug/herbal interactions and find sites where you can list everything and it tells you if something cannot be taken with something else. It is very common that grapefruit cannot be used with many drugs.

Tracy Will
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   Posted 3/1/2009 1:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Recently I have read that Singulair, an asthma med, has been extremely helpful in reducing the symptoms of a herx. You can also try Bendadryl and Zyrtec as over the counter options.

pcpc
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   Posted 3/1/2009 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
What symptoms are you having? Are you using the generic cholestyramine- it comes in a tub and I found increasing to 3 times per day helped. The packets of cholestyramine have artificial sweetners and colors and they are often not well tolerated/as effective. Also a supplement Pectasol (Douglas) works a bit like a natural cholestyramine. It was expensive but I think it helped me. Also Pinella (nutramedix) helped me with brain fog/symptoms. I found high doses of melatonin really helpful for insomnia (12-15 mg at bedtime), I took and still take this with L-tryptophan 2000 mg (call Swanson's- they have good prices for tryptophan. hope this helps

shadowmom
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   Posted 3/3/2009 2:14 PM (GMT -6)   

Dear KeepHope,

I was wondering if you could provide more specific information regarding Singulair for herxing?  My sister is gravely ill with lyme, and just starting another RX combo - biaxcin and plaquenil.  If the past is any indicator, she will suffer through hellish herxes, and was just thinking if Singulair worked to reduce or eliminate them, what a miracle!  Several years ago, she was prescribed colstyramine to help with detoxing and herxing, but that made her so very sick we had to stop after about 3 weeks!

I'm assuming that Singulair is a prescription medication?  If so, she'll need to get a script from her doctor.  Also, how often and when did you take it?  I wonder if Zyrtec (OTC) could be as effective?  Any knowledge about Zyrtec?

Thanks in advance for any further information you can provide.  God bless!


RainBaby
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   Posted 3/4/2009 10:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Buhner the herbalist recommends Sarsaparilla (smilax) to help with herxes. It has anti-inflammatory properties and is somewhat anti-Lyme as well.

Some people recommend Cell Food. I am going to get mine in the mail tomorrow! I hope it helps.

Daryl1
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   Posted 3/6/2009 1:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi,

I only used abx for 9 weeks total because I felt so terrible on them (possibly herxing).

Then I tried a wide range of natural therapies and these helped some.

Finally, I found Dr. Jenefer Huntoon (naturopathic doctor in Seattle--she said it was OK that I post her name) who prescribed very high doses of enzymes and this brought my energy up to a new level.

The enzymes are supposed to digest various stages of the Lyme organism and eliminate herxing. They sure seemed to work that way for me.

I am told that the enzymes can be taken along with abx but I did them as my complete treatment. Perhaps Dr. Huntoon could work with you by phone or tell your doctor how to prescribe the enzymes. Enclosed is a link about enzymes:

http://lymenzymes.blogspot.com/
I have had Lymes, Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue since 2006. I became intolerant of antibiotics so I started using all sorts of herbal remedies and they helped some. Concentrated plant enzymes prescribed by Dr. Jenefer Huntoon in Seattle helped me more than anything. Dr. Huntoon might be able to consult with you by phone or possibly she could provide her protocol to your local doctor.

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