Broccoli intolerance???!

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alfers
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   Posted 3/24/2009 11:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey everyone,
I've never had digestive issues at all and have never been allergic to foods/medicines/materials (though I am highly allergic to everything environmental). Well, the past three times I have eaten broccoli - even small amounts - I have ended up awake for many hours into the night with HORRIBLE stomach pain, gas, nausea, chills, diarrhea, etc. Seriously, the pain in my stomach is worse than any other stomachache I have ever had. Is it possible that I have suddenly developed an intolerance to broccoli and nothing else?? I can't think of anything else I ate or did in common those three nights -- twice I had a salad with some raw broccoli in it, and the last time I had chinese food with broccoli.
Has anyone ever heard of anything like this??
Lyme and co-infections since approximately 2002. Diagnosed in 2005. Treated for two years solid. Diagnosed with Lymphomatoid Papulosis in October 2007. Currently back on abx.

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Dowa
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   Posted 3/24/2009 12:19 PM (GMT -7)   
One question that comes to my mind, is it organic? The buds (flowers) on the tips of the broccoli is a great place for the pesticides they spray to get "caught". Stomach pain is a very common symptom for pesticide poisoning. I was having the same reactions to certain raw foods and when I switched to organic I was fine. Also, when you said you are allergic to "anything environmental", broccoli is basically just a flower. If you have ever grown it and been lazy about picking it when its ready, you will soon have a garden full of beautiful yellow bouquets. Could easily be an allergy as well.   D

hope_29
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   Posted 3/24/2009 12:22 PM (GMT -7)   
wow,

I have the same problem with broccoli and with spinach too. I didn't know it's from lyme. I had extreme bad stomach pain, I couldn't move, I was sweating. It was like a knife in my stomach. I was suffering very much. I had to take pain killer.

dorit
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   Posted 3/24/2009 1:57 PM (GMT -7)   
I had it after eating kohlrabi last summer; I ate it, my stomach started to hurt really bad for about 5 min., then started to feel like I swallowed a balloon which is still being pumped up in my stomach.... and then I throwed up; all within 10 minutes after eating it; happened two times - first kohlrabi bought in our organic food shop, got the second one from a friend`s garden who is an aboulute biodynamic freak (garden never got in touch with any artificial furtilizer, pesticide etc.) - so I think it may be the plants or eventually even some remaining particles of stinging nettle brew which is often used to strenghen the plants.

pcpc
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   Posted 3/24/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -7)   
I have developed several food aversions since diagnosis- it's like being pregnant! First aversion was fish and I was told by my LLMD that there is a neurotoxin that has a similar chemical structure to the chemical that gives the fishy odor. I have since developed aversions to Broccolli and meat. I thought it was the Mepron but I think it may be either liver stagnation from all of the drugs and/or toxin similarity....interesting. I have little appetite and mainly eat to take drugs! But it is improving a little since starting Bart treatment. I also crave crunchy foods .......wierd

Bughuggger
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   Posted 7/4/2013 12:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I have had the exact same issue as you with the exact same symptoms. Curiously. I decided to try broccoli again after many years. Once I had no problem. The second time I went to a Chinese restaurant and ordered something with broccoli, I had the same symptoms as you. Curious that this should show up here in the Lyme disease forum. I have had Lyme disease twice. Both were supposedly cured by Doxycyline. However, I feel that I have neuropathy on my left and especially the face. Unfortunately doctors are ignorant here in Connecticut where it first originated. It's so good for business in these tough and tardy times.

MarieLS
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   Posted 7/4/2013 1:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,
 
Broccoli is one of the foods that are high in oxalates. Oxalates can cause problems when sensitive to it. I have this going on with many vegetables, that's why I can't do the veggie shakes. My nutricionist explained me a lot about this, but it's been a long time...
 
Maybe you can have a look at oxalates?
 
I would avoid it, an aversion for food mostly means that it's not good for you...
 
Marie

nspeedracer
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   Posted 7/4/2013 2:19 PM (GMT -7)   
omg, i have this too...
i have only thrown up broccoli once, but i cant stand the smell or taste now of broccoli , spinach, and Im having a hard time with low carb foods in general...

MarieLS
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   Posted 7/4/2013 2:23 PM (GMT -7)   
nspeedracer,

lots of oxalates in spinach too...
Lyme & Bartonella. Sick for about 18 years (33 now). Started treatment August 2012 with abx (ILADS protocol, different combinations) + Buhner's Core Protocol. Leaky gut, heavy metals, EBV, XMRV, erythema nodosum, Hodgkin's Lymphoma at 15, Lyme arthritis, food allergies/intolerances, histamine/chemical intolerance and much more.

MarieLS
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   Posted 7/4/2013 2:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry, I would love to refresh my memory on oxalates, cause it's really interesting, it's toxicity for some people, the different effects on one's body, etc...
But it's night time over here, need to get to bed cause that headache is killing me...
The effects of foods are really underestimated by lots of drs and healthcare professionals (tiny tiny rant - lol).
Lyme & Bartonella. Sick for about 18 years (33 now). Started treatment August 2012 with abx (ILADS protocol, different combinations) + Buhner's Core Protocol. Leaky gut, heavy metals, EBV, XMRV, erythema nodosum, Hodgkin's Lymphoma at 15, Lyme arthritis, food allergies/intolerances, histamine/chemical intolerance and much more.

nspeedracer
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   Posted 7/4/2013 2:34 PM (GMT -7)   
oh and coffee too! i used to love coffee, now i cant stand it and i want to throw up if i drink it...

Bughuggger
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   Posted 7/4/2013 3:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Lyme & Bartonella. Sick for about 18 years (33 now). Started treatment August 2012 with abx (ILADS protocol, different combinations) + Buhner's Core Protocol. Leaky gut, heavy metals, EBV, XMRV, erythema nodosum, Hodgkin's Lymphoma at 15, Lyme arthritis, food allergies/intolerances, histamine/chemical intolerance and much more.

Sounds pretty bad. against Lyme and Bartonella I have seen many protocols in Stephen Buhners book , "Healing Lyme." Against heavy metals, I have heard from The late Hulda Clarke that you should use L-ornithine daily to get these things out of the liver. Also, Hulda Clarke recommends five drops of DMSO on an empty stomach in the morning. when I do this, I require 30 minutes for the absorption of it. This eliminates many solvents like isopropyl alchohol which lead to cancer and disease. Please let me know I'd any of this works and I'll follow up.

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Razzle
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   Posted 7/4/2013 5:08 PM (GMT -7)   
If one has gallstones or poor gallbladder function, broccoli & spinach will likely provoke an attack...
-Razzle

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Bughuggger
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   Posted 7/6/2013 10:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Forgot to mention that the DMSO is in a glass of water.
B.S. biochemistry. No longer isolating mammals, slaughtering new born cows, or using fetal calf serum. Thus, I a I'm the low laborer category.

Bughuggger
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   Posted 7/6/2013 10:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Nspeedracer said.
oh and coffee too! i used to love coffee, now i cant stand it and i want to throw up if i drink it...
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I have had more and more problems with coffee too, even though according to Dr. Peter D'Adamo, it's good for my blood type. I can only support your insights here. Also I am averse now to salty foods.
B.S. biochemistry. No longer isolating mammals, slaughtering new born cows, or using fetal calf serum. Thus, I a I'm the low laborer category.
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