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CajunGrl
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   Posted 3/30/2009 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I have been dealing with rib pain and soreness off and on for a few years. I recently took 1500mg of amoxicillian that made me herx real bad and ever since then, I've had worsening of rib pain. It's so bad right now that it's very uncomfortable to sit for a long time. I can't seem to get comfortable. It's worse when I ride in a car. The only medicine Ive ever taken for this was steroids. Since I can't take that now since I have Lyme, what do I do. I take something for pain but it doesn't seem to help.

Does anyone else suffer with this? What do you take to relieve the pain and swelling?

Razzle
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   Posted 3/30/2009 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm dealing with this right now. Walking gently seems to help some with the discomfort, so does putting some soft pillows under my ribs when I lay down, and making sure I can lean back against something smooth when sitting. I'm going to try Benadryl when the compounding pharmacist gets it ready for me (I've got too many sensitivities to use the over-the-counter products), because I've had luck with Benadryl as a pain reliever in the past.

I also wonder if lymphatic drainage treatment would help some...this is basically gentle massage of lymph vessels & areas around lymph nodes, but be sure to get this done by someone who has training in lymphatic drainage massage techniques.

Another possible idea is to try hot & cold compresses. Start with a hot compress for 10-15 minutes, then put a cold compress on for 5-10 minutes. Alternate between the two a couple of times. This kind of treatment stimulates circulation and may help clear the swelling and lymphatic blockage. Stop the treatment immediately if either temperature (hot or cold) causes increased pain.

I hope this helps - take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
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CajunGrl
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   Posted 3/30/2009 9:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you so much for the reply. I was beginning to think no one had this, LOL. I know it is listed as one of the symptoms for Lyme Disease.

I've pretty much dealt with the pain for years but its not this bad most of the time. I've only had flare ups like 3 times so far. When I was examined a few weeks ago, I think my doc pressed too hard(wasn't his fault) , and caused it to flare up again.

I'm not sure about the Lymph message. My Lymph nodes are swollen along with my ribs and they hurt too. Is there a connection between the two?

I will definately try the warm and cold compresses. I never even thought of doing that. Thanks again for the suggestions.
Have a blessed day!


Razzle
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   Posted 3/30/2009 11:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I'd guess if the lymph nodes along your ribs are swollen, that this would be related to the pain you are experiencing, but I can't say this is for certain because I'm not a doctor... I hope the warm/cold compresses help. Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), IV Ceftazidime (for Plural Effusion).


CajunGrl
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   Posted 3/31/2009 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Razzle,

Thanks again for replying. Btw, I too have chemical sensitivities along with some medicines too. I have malabsorption problems too. Were you ever told you had leaky gut and was your Vitamin D low?
Have a blessed day!

Post Edited (CajunGrl) : 3/31/2009 8:26:51 PM (GMT-6)


Tallison
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   Posted 3/31/2009 6:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, I have this soreness too, only on my front ribs.  Putting pressure on them hurts.  I use a cream called Real Relief.  I have also tried EMU cream.  Both seem to relax it a bit.  Costochondritis is what I have heard this refered to as.  I will try the hot and cold compresses too. 

CajunGrl
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   Posted 3/31/2009 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Tallison,

Where do you get the cream from? Is it over the counter?
Have a blessed day!


Razzle
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   Posted 3/31/2009 11:08 PM (GMT -6)   
CajunGrl,

Yes, my Vitamin D is low. Yes, I've been told I have leaky gut. I have many problems with my gut, hence why I cannot eat anymore and must be fed through a vein in my arm (Total Parentaral Nutrition via PICC line). I am working on fixing this, as most of my gut troubles started with Lyme, but it is a long, slow road.

Found out my swelling around my ribs is due to low albumin (low blood protein level), caused by poor absorption and malnutrition, aggravated by allergies and liver problems (caused by TPN), and made worse when they drained 2.6 liters of fluid out of the lining of my lung when I was in the hospital earlier this month.

I've heard L-glutamine is really good for leaky gut, especially if you can take it orally. I've tried it via IV, but it didn't help.

Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), IV Ceftazidime (for Plural Effusion).


CajunGrl
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   Posted 4/1/2009 10:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Razzle,

Oh my gosh! I am so sorry you are going through all of that. I hope your tummy heals soon and you feel better.

Thanks again for all of the info.
Have a blessed day!


bablymers
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   Posted 4/2/2009 5:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi CajunGrl and Welcome to the forum!
  I'm not sure if my experience is just like yours, but I will tell you about it.  My rib pain was VERY painful and felt like I had been poked in the rib or hit real hard with a hammer in a specific spot.  The first time it happened, it lasted for many weeks and I just put up with it until it finally went away on it's own.   The next time it happened, I told my naturopath/chiropractor about it and he told me what he thought it was but I forgot what he said!  Anyway,  he told me to massage the spot (rub it) several times a day, or as often as I could, until it went away.  I told him it hurt too much when I touched it and I wasn't sure I could do it.  Well,  he massaged one of the spots during my visit and it competely quit hurting!  I was amazed, so I did the other spot on my own at home, and after a few days, it went away too!  It happened again just recently, so I asked him to remind me what it was, and what to do.  He called it costochondritis.  I kept massaging the sore spot (even though it hurt to do so) and it went away!  It's still hard for me to believe this would work, but it did----and without any drugs!   Ask your doctor for his/her opinion about doing this.  It sure worked for me.  Maybe there are different kinds of costochondritis?  I don't know if it would work for all types.
Best wishes to you.   bablymers mom

dcordes
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   Posted 4/2/2009 6:37 PM (GMT -6)   

i agree with the "rubbing"  i get manual muscle treaments and yes - i could die from the pain when she works on my ribs but i feel better after the fact.  this is one tricky area because the pain does come back intermittantly.  it was so bad the i insisted on an xray on tuesday of this week  - the combo of profuse sweating, shortness of breath and rib pain scared me.  the xrays were normal.  my first misdiagnosis was chostochondriotis back in the winter of 2004 - the doctor said i must have injured myself trimming the tree. lol 

 

 


 


CajunGrl
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   Posted 4/2/2009 10:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Bablymers,

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure I can rub that area at all. I can barely lay on my sides. It's my entire rib cage...front and back. I just picked up some muscle cream from a chiropractor with chondritin and glucosamine in it. They are used to treat pain and inflamation so I will see if it helps. I willbe taking supplements with that in it too. I hope it works because I don't know how much more I can take. I have enough with the muscle and joint pain.
Have a blessed day!


CajunGrl
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   Posted 4/2/2009 10:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Decordes,

What do you mean you were misdiagnosed with costochondritis?

I talked to a chiroprator today that said if someone has costochondritis, that there is an underlining illness. I guess Lyme would be it.

I picked up some credm from the chiropractor today to rub ok the area.
Have a blessed day!


OKIEMARK
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   Posted 4/3/2009 8:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Do any of you all have the pain in your lower ribs across your back? I have been having alot of pain in my entire lower rib cage. My Dr. seems to think that costochondritis only hurts in the sternum.

dcordes
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   Posted 4/3/2009 9:49 AM (GMT -6)   
while i do have sternum tenderness, i have severe pain in the lower ribs on the right around to my back.  chostochondroitis usally effects the left side ( i think) of the sternum.  I think this diagnosis was thrown at me in the ER before I was diagnosed with lyme simply because they could not explain my chest and rib pain. aka a tretch injury while decorating my christmas tree in 2004.  as i said, this rib pain was so severe i asked to get chest/rib xrays - especially since i sweat and get short of breath. this was 2 days ago and all was normal which means all was related to lyme and not to some lung disease. i have erlichiosis too, confirmed by testing, and my doctor is suspicious of babesiosis, although i was never tested. just wondering if lyme or one of the co-infections would be more likely the cause of the rib pain. 

 


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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:02 PM (GMT -6)   
I have similar pain on the left side of my back, lower ribs. It has been ongoing for a month and I cannot bend over or sit up straight without it making me feel sick. Resting back is fine. I am really tired of it! I remember when I had back pain similar to this before I was diagnosed and went to the chiropractor. She rubbed the "knots" she felt and it was so painful I could not tolerate it. I ended up getting pain killers from the doctor. I also get pain in my rib on the front, right but it is more isolated.

CajunGrl
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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi OkieMark,

I've had costochondrtis now for years and it always hurts me in different area of my ribs. From what I've read, as long as the rib area us inflammed, it is called costochondritis. My sternum does hurt right now but it doesn't always hurt.
Have a blessed day!


CajunGrl
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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Decordes,

Okay, I understand now. I know that one of the symptoms of Lyme Disease is Rib pain/soreness. I'm sure Lyme has a lot to do with what we are going through.

Your sweating and shortness of breath sounds like Babesia. I have those symptoms and I have Babesia. Sometimes the test come back negative when the person actually had it. I also have symptoms of Bartonella and the foot pain drives me crazy. I've never in my life had foot pain. Of course, I've never in my life had muscle and joint pain this bad either. This disease is hard to deal with for sure.

Anyway, I hope you feel better soon!
Have a blessed day!


CajunGrl
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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Nefferdun,

I know what you mean about the pain. I had an ultrasound done in that area and was about to cry. The tech thought I was nuts. It really hurt bad especially when it is inflammed. I dont know how anyone tolerates being rubbed. I would scream. It's that painful right now for me. I guess my pain threshold is not high at all.
Have a blessed day!


amjrn
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   Posted 4/3/2009 7:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I am new to the forum. Looking for others with same strange symptoms.
I've had Lyme, Babs, and Bart for about 20 years.

I have had rib pain/liver pain for about a month. I had an ultra sound done that showed some stones in my gall bladder that I flushed out with a cleanse. But the pain persists.

The thing that I find the most helpful for the pain is doing castor oil packs. Very soothing.

bablymers
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   Posted 4/3/2009 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   

Hi amjrn and Welcome to the forum!  You will enjoy this forum and learn a lot.  People here are willing to share what they know and give support.

I am sorry that you have had to deal with these illnesses for so long.  I hope you are able to treat the diseases with the help of a naturopath and lyme literate medical doctor.

The liver pain you have is a concern.  I hope a doctor is able to evaluate if it is something that needs attention.  Sometimes the liver is overloaded due to toxins and needs some support using natural supplements.  I think even food allergies can cause stress to the liver.  You may want to consider getting medical attention for this.  Congratulations on your successful gall bladder flush!

Again, Welcome to the forum.  Best wishes.   bablymers mom


ShawnCOmtngrl
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   Posted 4/4/2009 9:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I am so sorry to hear about those of you who are suffering from rib pain. At the same time, I am so grateful that you shared it as I don't feel like my recent complaint is "crazy". I went snowshoeing one day in December and have had strange pain in the muscles between my ribs ever since. I had never heard of anyone having pain in their ribs before my own complaints and now reading it here.

So far, I have not found real relief beyond the use of narcotics. (unfortunately, I've been using those since 2005) My hip joints always hurt, and the rib pain is dissipating, but pain continues to be a constant. I'd love to get out of this pain cycle and live a "normal" life. I work on my own personal happiness, as the channels in the body for physical pain are exactly the same pathway as those for emotional pain. Funny how when I am most happy, the pain is almost completely gone... YOWSA! Bring on the fun! I'm fighting this with positive energy!!!
Diagnosed MS in 1994, used Avonex for years, then diagnosed Lyme in 2006, working on healing now!


NYCGAL
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   Posted 6/9/2009 9:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Everyone! I'm new to the group and have had Costo for 2 1/2 years. I'm 28 and feel all your pain. I think this forum is great, let's keep encouraging each other!
So after not being diagnosed for 2 very dark years and many wrong treaments, I've spent 6 months doing every shot/remedy/anti-inflamm. out there, what a ride! I've quit my job due to the pain, so I understand the impact it has on all of you. It's lonely and all consuming.

What I'm trying now is massage from a therapist at my physical therapy clinic. She is literally pushing on every sore spot in my front ribs until she feels it release. In addition, I'm not talking for about 3 weeks (speaking and breathing are very painful) to see if it will calm down. I've only gone twice to the massage therapist and it hurts something crazy, but I'll keep you all posted on the outcome. My therapist actually has has costo for a short time and got healed through massage. Hopefully we can all pass along what is helping us heal. Praying for you all.

CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/9/2009 10:46 PM (GMT -6)   
NYCGal,

Welcome to the forum! Keep us posted on your progress. I am very interested to see if this works for you.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

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