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nefferdun
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   Posted 4/20/2009 8:06 AM (GMT -6)   
I started using samento and cumanda and have no trouble getting the dosage to 20 drops of each twice a day. I do not understand the reason for the rotation and am afraid if the cumanda treats the bartonella and the samento treats the borrelia, switching every 12 days from one to the other would allow the bacteria to get started again. I also have quina and banderol. The only difference I see after taking this for two weeks is an increase in nightly migraines. I also have diarrhea. I am not taking any abx. I also wonder about taking even more of these - should I just keep uping the dose until I feel something? I ordered HH for the bart and clove bud oil.
Thanks for your help.

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   Posted 4/20/2009 5:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi nefferdun.  I think it is best to do this protocol under doctor supervision.  There are some doctors who prescribe this either with or without antibiotics.  If you need recommendations, let me know.
 

Miss3
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   Posted 4/20/2009 7:05 PM (GMT -6)   

The reason for alternating is because the lyme will eventually "hide" from one and it will no longer work. It is also recommended to take one and a half days off between switching so that gives the bacteria a chance to "surface" then when you restart the following evening is when you will have a lot of dieoff. Diarrhea is also probably a good sign of dieoff as well. I agree that you should be under someone's supervision that has more knowledge of the protocol.

Take care,

Miss


nefferdun
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   Posted 4/20/2009 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
ticker -The LLMD told me to take samento 14 days and then switch to cumanda for 14 days. He was giving it to me just for lyme as he believes there is no herbal remedy that works for bartonella. He wanted me to take rifampin but it makes me so dizzy I cannot tolerate it - and it has cost $400 for changing my meds twice because they were making me sick(and that does not include the cost of the abx I cannot use). That is why I am not too eager to ask his opinion about anything. The local naturopath I went to did not know anything especially about bartonella. That is because lyme is a new disease in this area and no one has ever successfully treated it. They are all just reading books - the very ones that I have! There may be a better doctor but it is costing a fortune to go through the bad ones. Also, according to Schaller's book, NOTHING the doctors are giving us for bartonella is working. Unfortunately all the sick people out there pretty much confirm this - and I am one of them.

Miss3 - that makes since.
What is quina for and banderol?

Miss3
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   Posted 4/21/2009 8:24 AM (GMT -6)   
My husband also alternated with quina so I'm assuming it also attacks the lyme. I guess banderol is another one? He was taking something for drainage along with the drops. Drainage insures that the dieoff gets out of your system. He has taken spanish black radish, flaxseed, chia, and antronex for drainage. This is why I stated that you should really consult with someone that knows what they are doing.
This may sound bizarre to some, it did to us at first, but we see a kinesiologist for "muscle testing".
Had someone told me five years ago about kinesiology and what we would pay out of our own pocket for alternative treatment, I would have told them they were out of their mind. That was before my husband was basically disabled and unfunctionable and not able to work most of the time. Desperate times cause for desperate measures. His main issue was trigeminal neuralgia, stabbing nerve pain in the side of his head. He was on so many prescriptions for the nerve pain that he didn't know what was going on half the time.
Natural treatment is the only thing that has helped his situation, he even had radiation to zap the nerve that did nothing but make it ten times worse and he couldn't even drive then. Our insurance paid out over fifty grand for that procedure but they won't pay a nickel of what works and keeps him able to work and support our family, what a load of crap that is.
 
Take care,
 
Miss

nefferdun
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   Posted 4/21/2009 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I hope your husband is getting better and continues to improve.
It is funny that I now love ground flax. I just ate 1/3 cup for breakfast. I am happy to know that it will help my body flush out the toxins. Chia is also full of omega 3 fatty acids and what an energy boost! I have some of that and will add it to my cerial. Another thing I like to use is apple cider vinegar with the mother. I want to get alpha lipoic acid. I forgot about these things when I went to the health food store and purchased an expensive HM de-dox which gave me a bad headache and made my eyes swell.

I don't know what to think about kinesiology because I am an "out there" sort of person but whenever I have paid anyone to use this on me or my animals they were completey off base - in fact I was given something I was allergic to. I don't trust anyone to be able to over ride their assumptions with their phychic intuition including myself. I have tried self testing and it is never reliable. However I believe whole heartedly in water dousing with coat hangers!

I know what you mean about insurance. We pay 6K a year with a 10K deductable so we never use the insurance for anything. Everything is out of pocket. That is why I just hate to pay someone for their opinion when I see the book they got it from sitting behind them on their bookshelf and I have already read and tried it.

Miss3
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   Posted 4/21/2009 10:02 AM (GMT -6)   
The kinesiologist we see has people coming from all over, even out of state. I have never met anyone in the waiting room that said he wasn't right on. He even teaches and travels all over the country so I think our guy is really good. He's the only one that has done anything to treat the cause and my husband is able to continue to work, which is very good for our family. If I had any doubt, there's no way we would pay what this has cost, I'm very frugal.
I had dh down to John's Hopkins and when I just mentioned the lyme they totally dismissed me, just wanted to talk about slicing into his brain and digging out anything that 'may' be irritating the nerve. You can't dig out lyme, sometimes people that are suppose to be smart are dumb as a stick. I had him to so many doctors it was ridiculous. Furtherest we got with treating the lyme was three weeks of doxy, which did nothing at all for him at that point because he was just too far gone. Got to the point where I hate doctors, except for our current family doc, who is integrative and into alternative things anyway.
I also had a major issue with crohn's/uc, whatever it was, they never did know for sure what it was. From the time I walked into the specialists office I got nothing but immensely worse for two months until I ended up in the hospital for two weeks, what a fiasco. I've been currently using miracle mineral solution with great results for my crohn's/uc.
As long as it works, I'm willing to pay out of pocket. We have very good insurance coverage but what they cover doesn't seem to do us any good so we stick with what works.
 
Take care,
 
Miss
36 yr. old homeschooling mom of 3
Diagnosed Crohn's 06/08, then UC 08/08
Asacol made me worse, reactions to Remicade
Currently taking LDN, feeling pretty good
Probiotic, Omega 3, Digestive enzymes


nefferdun
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   Posted 4/21/2009 10:40 AM (GMT -6)   
I would love to have a person like that located closer to me. There is an old man about 200 miles from here that does spiritual healing at no charge. So many people were coming to him that he had to "retire". One of my best sources for healing are the people on this site that are so generous with their knowledge and experience. I would never have known I had lyme if it had not been for the Canada lyme site that posted the article containing information about the new strain of lyme here in Montana. And I would not have known how to treat it had it not been for someone sending Dr. B's treatment protocol.
I took this to my doctor with important parts underlined. I also have gotten invaluable information on which herbs work the best and how much is needed. I do believe abx will knock it down but you need to eventually use herbs along with excellent diet and lifestyle to help your body recover completely. Thanks for your help.
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