Can Vitamin C stir up spirochetes?

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CajunGrl
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   Posted 5/23/2009 3:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I take powdered Vitamin C every week or so in a high dose. I take 6000mg....mostly to get my bowels moving. When I don't take the powdered Vitamin C, I take 1000mg in pill form to boost my immune system. Anyway, I've noticed that everytime I take the high dose powdered 6000mg, I start getting muscle twitching, eye/lip twitching, floaters, nausea and I feel like something is moving under my skin. I know there is a protacol to get rid of Lyme bacteria with Vitamin C and salt, but I'm not taking any salt. What do you guys think? This has happened everytime I've taken the higher dose. Is it possible that I'm stirring these little bugs up?
2003 symptoms started
2007 found an LLMD and was diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


Razzle
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   Posted 5/23/2009 10:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, it is possible the vitamin C is stirring something up - Lyme or coinfections or something else I don't know.
 
Try drinking extra water on the day you take your big doce of vitamin C ... maybe it is a toxin release that is making you feel yukky?


-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.


CajunGrl
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   Posted 5/23/2009 11:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't a clue what's going on. I think I am herxing a little though. Not as much as the antibiotics would do thats for sure. Unless I'm just getting them moving? I wonder how the salt/C protocol works? I'm wondering if the Viramin C gets them out and moving and the salt kills them? I'd like to learn more about it for sure.

Also, before I started taking my pain pills....when I would take the high dose of C, I would go into a rage. I started noticing that it was the Vitamin C doing it. I think the pain pills calm me down enough not to feel that horrible feeling anymore. Very weird huh?
2003 symptoms started
2007 found an LLMD and was diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

Post Edited (CajunGrl) : 5/23/2009 11:08:07 PM (GMT-6)


+Lyme
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   Posted 5/24/2009 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I am interested in any more opinions on this, CajunGrl and Razzle. Because I am wondering if my megadoses of C for over 20 yrs (minimum 1000 mg 3 X day), garlic 2X day, amongst other vites, may have prevented me from becoming sicker than I am? I am a smoker who has not had a cold in probably over 15 yrs. Often, if I feel something coming on, I will up those Cs (and liquid) and most often get rid of it.

And so, could that perhaps be the cause of recurring fevers and the kind of aches you have when battling the flu? Like you said, some kind of herxing or something?

CajunGrl
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   Posted 5/24/2009 12:13 PM (GMT -6)   
LymeUmknown,

It's definately doing something to me. I can't figure out what yet but I'd like to read more on the salt/C protocol. I noticed that I get tired a little after I take it too. But, after all of that yuckiness was over, I actually felt better and had a little energy.

I wonder if it's stirring up a co-infection? That's interesting that you bring up fevers because I run fevers every month.
2003 symptoms started
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


+Lyme
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   Posted 5/24/2009 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
CajunGrl, I've read several times about 4 week recurring illness w/ fever w/ Lyme. Like a cycle of some sort. Early on, I was getting fever/aches in the nite about twice per week, but never thought to look it up. I liked my beer (can't stand it now!) and seemed to somehow relate it to drinking beer. Til beer made me feel so bad, I quit and still got the recurring fever/aches.

I don't know if it's related, but that subsided when I upped my Amitriptyline, because of the marked worsening of my depression, which HAD been under control. I know that Amitrptyline can help (not alleviate) certain kinds of chronic pain and inflammation.

It still happens (fever/flu-like pain) -- out of the freaking blue, but since learning about lyme I'm trying to keep track, and it doesn't seem to be every month. I have noted twice in a 3 month period that I can recall. So mine may not be the lyme 'cycle' that you seem to be experiencing.

I've also started a little log of the days when I have more marked achings and burning muscles and joints, because I have some days of relatively little pain of this type. (neck, back and pelvic bone are constant -- some days worse than others)

I will have to look into this 'cyle' some more -- because it might make as much sense that it's some kind of herxing, perhaps of some other bacteria, as it does that it is just a cycle of the disease, doesn't it?

sorry, I can't 'talk' right today!

Razzle
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   Posted 5/25/2009 2:56 AM (GMT -6)   
LymeUnknown,

Yes, it is possible the garlic and Vitamin C have kept you from getting worse. Garlic is known to kill all sorts of infectious organisms, and Vitamin C is an essential nutrient our body cannot make on its own. Many health practitioners recommend taking garlic and Vitamin C regularly.

Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.


CajunGrl
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   Posted 5/25/2009 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Razzle,

I think that may be why I kept Lyme at bay as well. I was taking those large doses of vitamin C a year ago. I guess that's why I was able to go to school. It freaks me out to remember how much better I was doing just a year ago. I didn't have the pain I have now. The last day of my clinicles, I started feeling bad and had to push myself through the day. It was all downhill from there and i'm still not sure why it happened so fast. Maybe an activated virus? I don't know. But, I went to school, passed with a 3.9 and haven't been able to work and I finished school in August of last year. I have no clue if I'll ever be able to work and if I do, what my reason will be for waiting so long to find a job.
2003 symptoms started
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

Post Edited (CajunGrl) : 5/25/2009 12:37:54 PM (GMT-6)


Razzle
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   Posted 5/26/2009 3:09 AM (GMT -6)   
CajunGrl,

Fill in the gap in your resume with "Independent Research" maybe...don't tell them it was from illness. I didn't work between 2000 and 2006, and when asked about the gap, I said "personal reasons" - they are not legally allowed to ask more detail about it in an interview if you use that type of phrase. I was lucky in that I had volunteer work I could fill the gap in with on my resume. Have you joined any nonprofit groups for Lyme or any other purpose (religious, hobbies, etc.)? If so, you can put this down as volunteering on your resume. Another idea is to say you were a "caretaker" on your resume - they don't have to know it was for yourself... Just thinking out loud, LOL...

Good luck,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.


CajunGrl
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   Posted 5/26/2009 11:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Razzle,

Thanks so much. I never even thought of putting caretaker in there, LOL. It's not like I'll be lying about that huh? I'm taking care of myself, LOL.

I truly hope I can get back to working. I feel like I wasted my time in school. It was really hard and stressful but being 38, I felt like I finally accomplished something. I put my life on hold, like many of us mothers do when we have children. I finally got a chance to do something that made me feel good(I love helping others), and now I can't work. Blah! I feel like this is a bad joke or something.
2003 symptoms started
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

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