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Turquoise Sky
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   Posted 6/4/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -6)   
I've had my last dose of IV ceftriaxone, which lasted 28 days.  Before that I was on Biaxin for 3 weeks and  then went on Doxycycline for about 5 weeks, before getting to the ID MD who doesn't believe in chronic Lyme and that if my symptoms return it wasn't Lyme that was causing them, so if I want further treatment will be starting over to find a doctor who does.  I was just glad that she was willing to treat me at all!
 
I was bitten in June 2005, and was treated with only 10 days of Doxycycline at the end of August 2005.  I did recover from the symptoms then, and went on an herbal treatment.  Then I was only using wormwood.  I also took supplements to boost my immunity, and thought I was over it, and felt better up until this past winter into spring when I was catching it seemed like every germ that went through the nursing home where I work.  In March just thought it was severe sinustis, until the other symptoms showed up.  I am feeling mostly better.  Still have slight stiffness around knees,  my back bothers me, but I'm hoping is from having fallen down the steps in March, and still slightly feel the lymph nodes along the sides of my neck, but they are also going down.
 
I am working on getting my digestive system back together after the abx, going back on all the supplements, consistantly took the multi and probiotic, and still have a few days of Flagyl.  I plan to also take an herbal treatment to make sure the Lyme is gone if that's possible.  It is my understanding that in2005, the Lyme was not treated long enough, but went dormant, and my immune system kept it dormant until the other stuff going around knocked it down enough for the Lyme to resurface.
The  treatment I plan to start is Spirolyd Support containing:  Houttunia leaf, Japanese Teasel root, Boneset herb, Isatis root, Lomatium root.  It is to be used along with Spirolyd Compound which contains:  Sarsparilla rhizome, Guiacum wood, Chinese Andrographis herb, Stillingia fresh root, Prickly Ash bark.
 
My question is should I wait to take the herbal treatment or start it as soon as possible?  And do the herbs work like the abx, and not function on dormant spirochetes?  If that is the case and all they have done is to go dormant again, should I bother to even try the herbal treatment at all?  The clinical herbalist who suggested the treatment also said that you need to steam yourself up twice a day in a sauna or hot tub or overheated car, to get them moving, but if they are dormant will they move?

Turquoise Sky
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   Posted 6/5/2009 8:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, I feel I am going to go ahead and do it. I have improved, but just in case it is not gone completely, I am going to try this. My only fear is that if they are dormant, is it possible to get rid of the critters?! I'm not sure yet how I will steam myself up, since it hasn't been very warm here lately. I was told that the bath is not hot enough. I will check out the cost of a portable sauna.

KO-LD
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   Posted 6/5/2009 12:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I just started Buhner's protocol and on day 5 I did herx.  You can get a portable sauna on ebay for about $200.  I love mine and use it every day I can.
KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


pcpc
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   Posted 6/5/2009 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
TQ, I have lived with Lyme most of my life and my main symptom was immune problems- I caught most colds and had recurrent bronchitis/sinusitis. All my life the infectious disease experts told me "I was fine". Finally after developing pneumaonia in 2004 I tested my Western Blot and saw that I had evidence of old Lyme infection (I had grown up on the Cape). I started to use Samento (Cowden herb from Cat's Claw) which is known to treat cyst forms of Lyme. I had to start slowly because of herxing....1 drop twice daily and every 3-4 days increased until I reached maintenance of 15 drops twice daily. Once this was on board I never had immune problems and lived a completely normal life, until I was apparently reinfected summer 2007.

So what ever you do make sure you use a form of Cat's Claw..I think Samento is great. Contact Nutramedix and see if there is a doc in your area. They are offering physicians to provide modified protocols to one patient per practice who is not using antibiotics (for their research). let me know how you do. Once I recover from this mess of coinfections I will return to Cowden Herbs as they worked incredibly well for me.. You will also have to clean up your candida/bowels and support some liver to mop up the mess from antibiotics. I firmly believe Lyme is curable. Let me know if you need more help.

Turquoise Sky
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   Posted 6/5/2009 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
KO,
Thank you for the tip on the sauna. What is used in the Buhner's protocol? It sounds as if it is working for you. That is great!

Turquoise Sky
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   Posted 6/5/2009 6:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Gracie's Mom,
I will stay on the herbs for the rest of my life if that is what it takes to avoid another relapse! I thought I was safe the first time and went off of everything after about a year. I must have been doing something right that it took this long to resurface.

I do plan to take much better care of myself. I have learned a lot through this, and the most important thing is that I am worth it! I work in a nursing home and have lots of patience with other people, but apparently needed to learn to have more patience with myself. I saw the xray of my heart when the picc was inserted and it was beautiful! I've learned a lot about myself that I didn't really know before. My husband has been so good through all this, I think it has brought us closer than ever.

Thanks for the encouragement and the well wishes.

Turquoise Sky
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   Posted 6/5/2009 6:40 PM (GMT -6)   
pcpc,
I shold have mentioned that I did take the Cat's Claw as well as the wormwood in 2005. I do have that now as well. I wasn't taking it while on the IV abx, because the Dr. asked me to go off of all the extra supplements that I could, so I was only taking the multi and the probiotic. The Cat's Claw that I have now is Saventaro in capsule form 20 mg. per capsule.

I thought that the Cat's Claw worked by boosting the immune system in general. In April,when I thought I was going to kick it without IV abx, I had also begun medicinal mushrooms, Lypo-spheric vitamin C, sublingual B12 and a homeopathic detox kit. So do you think that is enough and is it overkill to do the Spyrolyd Support and Compound?

I just don't want this to happen again! I do realize that I am still at risk for another bite and want to do better at protecting myself, my family, and especially my dog. He has been infected twice from two separate bites. The crazy thing is that my husband can sit in a tree all day with ticks crawling over him, hunting, and not get bitten, but that must have been luck so far!

KO-LD
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   Posted 6/5/2009 9:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Turquois Sky,  Buhner's core protocol is made up Andrographis, Resveratrol, and Cat's Claw.  You can read more in his book Healing Lyme, which I found very informing.
KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


Deejavu
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   Posted 6/6/2009 7:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Turquoise Sky and everyone else,
 
It's been a while since I posted as I have been really busy.  
 
TS, it may not be critters (or lyme bacteria) you have in your body, it is very possible you have an overload of toxins which by itself causes so many problems.  Putting yourself on a good detox regime would be very helpful.
 
I think getting better is a combination of many factors.  Yes, I do believe it's about a strong immune system as once the body is really strong it can fight the bad bacteria as well as viruses on it's own.   The trick I believe is getting to that point and detoxing plays a huge role in building up one's immune system.
 
I believe that detoxing is a must whether a person has lyme or not.  I recently bumped into a friend of mine who's SIL passed away from having a really toxic body (she didn't have lyme), but that's a long story by itself (really bad diet, not exercising, etc.). 
 
As far as baths go, when one has lyme I think it's better to take a warm bath mixed with epsom salts and hydrogen peroxide compared to a hot bath but be sure to dry skin brush your entire body before getting into the bath.   Foot baths are great too.  I wrote instructions for detoxing in the sticky "The Basics - Newbies, check this":
 
 
Even though it will be going on 4 years that I am well, I still continue to detox, eat healthy as well as exercise.  When toxins are not removed from the body where do they go?  The recycle back into one's body causing more problems.  And we live in such a toxic world today that it's simply impossible to avoid toxins.
 
I used an alternative medicine protocol by Dr. Jernigan that worked great for me and I was able to follow that protocol at home (from his book).   I haven't taken any "bottled" herbs for a really long time, not even vitamins as I drink Green Smoothies (made in a blender) which is packed full of nutrients, also continue to drink Green Vibrance, still love that product.
 
Hope this helps,
Denise

It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing   ~  Pay It Forward!!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


Turquoise Sky
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   Posted 6/6/2009 6:23 PM (GMT -6)   
KO,
Thank you for your info, I will check that out.



Deejavu,
I do believe I have needed to get better at detoxing even before all of this! I have been doing the detox bath thanks to your posting on the Newbie's section. That has been very helpful!

KO-LD
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   Posted 6/7/2009 5:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Turquoise Sky,
I don't know if you've tried Permethrin yet or not for keeping the ticks off, but I've found it works great.  You spray it on your clothes and shoes not your skin and it last thru several washings.  We use it when we go camping.  KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009

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