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lymelady16
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   Posted 6/22/2009 7:04 PM (GMT -6)   
hello everyone,
 
i went to my LLMD today because i was in a ton of pain. he said i have costochonditis and prescribed me Tramadol?
i was just wonderring if anyone has taken tramadol for pain and if it helped them or how they reacted to it????
 
thanks :-)
lyme disease, sjogrens, hypoglycemia, CFS (most likely from LD), rheumatoid arthritis (most likely from LD)
 
Current treatment (June 2009): Zithromax, Diflucan, IV Rocephin, Probiotics


Dagger
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   Posted 6/22/2009 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
It helps some people with their pain and others don't get any benefit from it at all. It takes the edge off my pain so that I can relax and function. Costo pain can be intense so it probably won't make you pain free but may help you move around and sleep. I don't think anything can help with the sharp pain you feel sometimes when you move. I find that it relaxes me which helps with my muscle pain. At first it made me drowsy and helped me sleep but now it doesn't make me sleepy.

You need to be careful what other meds and OTC supplements you take with it. You can have problems with certain antidepressants and things like St. John's Wort and 5-HTP; basically anything that effects serotonin. If you take any of these things, look up the symptoms of 'Serotonin Syndrome" so you know what to watch for.

Tramadol is said to be non-narcotic but it sure seems like a narcotic. I get a "high" from it but some people don't. If you stay on it for a while, you should taper down when you stop. You need to stop slowly or you may have severe withdrawal symptoms. I wouldn't worry about the withdrawal because if it doesn't help, you won't be on it long enough to worry about it and if it does help, you can worry about that later. Again, some people don't feel high or have withdrawal symptoms, but some do.

Tramadol sometimes causes stomach upset, take it with food if it does. It can also be constipating like most narcotics so pay attention to that. Make sure you drink enough water.

Good luck.

CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/22/2009 8:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi lymelady:)

I'm currently taking Tramadol and have been for about 2 months. It helps take the edge off. It doesn't completely get rid of the pain for me, but helps alot. I don't like that sedated feeling and Tramadol doesn't give me that feeling. It also helps calm me down a whole lot. I like it.

How many milligrams are you taking?

Btw, I get the rib pain too. It can get pretty bad.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


lymelady16
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   Posted 6/22/2009 10:53 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks for responding guys.
Cajungrl: i have 50milligram pills---i dont know how many to take. i took one, but that hasnt helped at all. is there anything else anyone recommends for pain? it's almost unbearable.
lyme disease, sjogrens, hypoglycemia, CFS (most likely from LD), rheumatoid arthritis (most likely from LD)
 
Current treatment (June 2009): Zithromax, Diflucan, IV Rocephin, Probiotics


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/23/2009 5:14 AM (GMT -6)   
I think anything for inflammation would help. Maybe celebrex? You have to get a prescription for it though.

I hope it eases soon. The last time it flared up for me, it lasted over a month and I could barely take the pain.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


veromia333
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   Posted 6/23/2009 3:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Does nothing for me for pain. gave me energy though
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


Deejavu
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   Posted 6/23/2009 4:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi lymelady16,
 
I'm sorry you have so much pain, I remember when I had awful pain.   The choice is yours, you can "mask" the pain with painkillers (which can be addicting) or go after the "source" of the pain by detoxing on a daily basis.
 
I hope you pick the 2nd choice as it disturbs me to see people go on painkillers.  
 
Hang in there,
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing   ~  Pay It Forward!!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/23/2009 4:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu,

I wish detoxing would have helped me with the rib pain but it didn't. The pain pills barely touched it. It is very hard to control once it starts and it hurts very bad. I pretty much just dealt with it and tried to stay as still as possible.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


Deejavu
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   Posted 6/23/2009 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi CajunGrl,
 
I'm sorry you have rib pain.  After getting run over my a car in my legs I was in so much pain so I can relate.   My entire body had stitches.   I guess I have a very high pain tolerance, perhaps I was born that way or learned how to control pain with my mind (thanks to my Dad). 
 
Did you try detoxing on a daily basis and take 3 detox baths a day?  How are you feeling now?
 
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing   ~  Pay It Forward!!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 6:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey deejavu,

Oh no, I didn't do it that much. I think my rib pain starts everytime I twist wrong. I crack my back, which I know is wrong, LOL, but I think that's how I irritate it. Sometimes, my entire rib cage gets inflammed.....front and back.

I will try detoxing more next time and see if it helps. I never believed in detoxing until I was diagnosed with Lyme Disease. It does work.

I really wish I had a high pain tolerance. My youngest daughter is like that.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 8:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Gracies Mom,

Great explanation. That's how I look at it now too.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


forestcall
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   Posted 6/24/2009 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Hmmmm....I have had Lyme for 9 years. The pain in horrible at times. But I am a strong believer in not using pain meds. They cause 10 times more negative symptoms!

I have found the VERY best way to deal with all this is to get a plan.

Wake up 6 am and stretch a little. Then drink tea. Then walk fast for 20 min. Then after body is warmed do 30-60 min of exercise that makes you sweat. Then eat a nice meal with no meat and lots of green whole foods.

then.........in afternoon go swimming or something that will allow you to exercise for 60-120 min.

Seems its all about diet, lots of sleep, mental stimulation, exercise and my biggest suggestion is study Buddhism.

Forget the pain meds.....really bad for you and your spiritual growth. Lyme Disease is a teacher to help you become a spiritual master. Pain meds are a way to hide from your true "self". Taking pain meds is like quitting on life.
Bitten 30+ times from 1995 - 2001
2001 Bite swelled up like a soccer ball
2008 Diagnosed


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 12:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Forestcall,

It's wonderful that you can still exercise like that! I wish I could say the same. I can barely move from the couch to the bed. My symptoms have progressed really fast since last year. I definitely need pain pills for now. I think it's just like a crutch that helps you walk when you have a broken leg. It's helps you until you are better and able to help yourself.

Now if you would have posted that last year, I would have been able to exercise because I was alot better then. That's how fast this disease sucks the life out of you.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


forestcall
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   Posted 6/24/2009 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
CajunGrl the reason I walk in the morning is so my joints losen up. Also if you do not eat Wheat or Flour your symptoms will be dramaticly reduced.

My pain is often a 9 or a 10 and the stiffness is so bad I can barely stand it.

Main issues are extreme fatigue, numbness in limbs, headaches, pains in ribs, sweating, 1 week a month entire body feels like hormones or body chemistry is seriously off. Fatigue is so intense I could sleep on the sidewalk. I'm an Ex-Navy SEAL and experience Triathlete, Marathon runner, avid outdoors man and I can tough broken bones, pains, etc. but extreme fatigue and weight gain is very difficult. My joints are so stiff I can barely kneel on the floor or bend over to tie my shoe laces. My job is software programmer and I am having extreme difficulty with memory and concentration. My brain is often foggy as if I were smoking marijuana all day even though I do not take any drugs. I do not take nor want pain meds. I do not take nor want depression or sleep meds.

I feel sometimes that these forums encourage people to take pain meds and depression meds, instead of fighting and studying the mind. Its all about "mind".

You have to grit your teeth and stand up tall with inner strength when the pain gets tough the tough get going!!!

Im sorry, really sorry but I cant agree with all of this medication philosophy.
Bitten 30+ times from 1995 - 2001
2001 Bite swelled up like a soccer ball
2008 Diagnosed


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Forestcall,

I've never read a post here EVER encouraging taking pain pills. I've read posts that responded to people asking about pain medication though. I think everyone is different and we all handle pain in different ways. If it was that easy to just 'grit my teeth and bare it', believe me, I'd be the first to do it as I am not a pain pill kind of person. I "toughed" it out for months and even took natural supplements for pain until the pain got so bad, I couldn't take it any longer. You can actually look back on this forum and read the posts about me taking a natural supplement called 'Muscle Calm'. I DID NOT want to EVER get on pain pills.....EVER, but it's just what I had to do for now. Some people can 'tough it out' and others can't. I'm definitely not ashamed to say that I couldn't.

Also, Lexapro saved my life but that's another story.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


Deejavu
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   Posted 6/25/2009 6:14 AM (GMT -6)   
All I know is that Tramodol scares me because it is a synthetic opioid and I have a friend who had to go into a hospital to get off of Tramodol.   Yes, she became addicted to it.
 
Also, one of the possible side effects includes seizures as well as other unpleasant side effects:
 
 
Forestcall, I understand what you are saying and I also don't believe anyone is "encouraging" people to take pain medicine.   Perhaps you meant by people agreeing about pain meds that is encouraging them.   I don't know. 
 
I guess I am one of those lucky people who can go to the dentist to have teeth pulled and I don't even use novacaine or any numbing agents, I use my mind and don't feel a thing.  I wasn't always that way, when I was a kid I got those numbing shots so I wouldn't feel any pain but my Dad fascinated me in how he would never use anything and I always wondered how he did it until I learned myself.  
 
Funny, one day my Dad got up early to go trout fishing in northern NY and when he arrived he slipped on a rock in the stream and broke his nose.  Did my Dad seek medical help?  Nope.  He continued to fish all day and on his way home that night, he stopped at the hospital to have his nose set.    So the mind is a powerful tool as I learned from my Dad.
 
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing   ~  Pay It Forward!!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


scorpio1960
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   Posted 6/25/2009 8:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Gracie's Mom & Cajun Grl, Great responses. I agree with all that you both wrote. I wanted to jump in and respond but am just not capable of a coherent response right now. lol

CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/25/2009 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I definitely understand where Forestcall and Deejavu are coming from. I hear you both loud and clear. I didn't want to put more chemicles in my body. My poor liver has enough to get rid of. And believe me, if I could have just stayed on natural supplements, I would have. It just wasn't possible though and this is where I am now. Those pain pills help me out of bed every single day. They help me function. The minute I open my eyes, I am blown away by extreme pain. I feel like I need them for now and when I start feeling better, I will get off of them....just like I did with Lexapro. I was also told back then to be careful with Lexapro because it 'could' cause heart conditions. Well, I just did what I had to do back then too. I will wean off of Tramadol when I am ready. I have all the information I need, thanks to you guys:) I just feel that everyone is different. Some people can take pain and others can't.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


lymelady16
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   Posted 6/25/2009 7:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I will have to personally agree with gracie's mom and cajungrl. Everyone has their own and are entitled to their own healing philosophies. My personal experience: i was raised in a very hollistic home, never went to the doctors, so i never got diagnosed with lyme until it was too late and i was chronically ill. I am very much a fan of hollistic beliefs, BUT for me right now i know that it is neccesary that i get treated medically. I never thought i would be someone on pain killers, anti-anxiety medicines, and very strong antibiotics (and neither did my family), but you know what??....nothing, and i mean nothing---no diet change, life change, spiritual change, vitamins, exercise, I HAVE TRIED IT ALL FOR MANY YEARS---and none of it has helped.
I just feel the need to get this out there because of how skeptical and judgemental i was for so many year about all these different medicines.
I guess the main point that needs to get across is that it's a very personal choice. I respect people doing what they truely believe is right for them. I've really had to follow my heart through this whole lyme journey and for the first time i actually feel like im getting somewhere.
anyways...lyme rambling =)

I hope everyone has a wonderful night!
-God Bless
lyme disease, sjogrens, hypoglycemia, CFS (most likely from LD), rheumatoid arthritis (most likely from LD)
 
Current treatment (June 2009): Zithromax, Diflucan, IV Rocephin, Probiotics


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/25/2009 7:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymelady,

Has the rib pain gotten any better? I've been trying to stay as still as I can again because I feel like mine are going to flare up again. My left side has been sensitive again when I lay down.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


scorpio1960
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   Posted 6/25/2009 8:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymelady, I'm sorry you are in pain and apologize for posting earlier and not actually addressing your question.

Unfortunately, it's trial and error for all of us and what works for one does not necessarily work for another. Everyone's suggestions are great it's just a matter of finding something that works for you and you're comfortable with. As long as you're responsible and follow your doctor's orders you should be fine if you decide to give the Tramadol a try.

For the first few years I refused to take pain meds and when it got to the point where I couldn't tolerate the pain any longer and needed relief I found that nothing the doctors gave to me helped. I also tried Tramadol and it did abo****ely nothing to relieve the pain and unfortunately it didn't give me any energy or else I would have continued to take it. lol Eventually, I was given a prescription for Percocet and to my amazement it actually took away the body pain but not always the neck and head pain.

I really limit myself and rarely take more than one pill a day, usually in the evening when the pain is worse. One month's prescription can sometimes last me 4 months. When I have the rare day when I'm not in much pain I don't even think about taking a pill so I'm not too worried about addiction like I was in the beginning.

I hope you feel better and get some relief.
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