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sickof lyme
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   Posted 6/24/2009 7:35 AM (GMT -6)   
People on here have been asking for people who have been there,and only Marthas vineyard came forward ,now that I made an appointment I get a negative response from someone whos been there! Anyone else that hasnt came forward yet??? We really need information on here no matter if its a bad experience or good in order to investigate protocols further!
REALLY SICKOFLYME

CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 8:38 AM (GMT -6)   
SickOfLyme,

I agree that people need to speak up but take it all with a grain of salt. Everyones experience is different. I'm sure you have already done the necessary research and are prepared for anything that comes your way. Good luck!
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


veromia333
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   Posted 6/24/2009 10:15 AM (GMT -6)   
i think it is a good idea i would be there if i had the means..
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


Dowa
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   Posted 6/24/2009 11:35 AM (GMT -6)   
My problem with Envita is that they told me something completely different than Marthasvineyard.  They knew she had the money obviously. (They gave us different prices for things)I was told that there is NO cure for Lyme Disease, so if you are going there looking for a cure, you will be disappointed. I tend to not trust people that are not consistent. I am sure they could help you feel better but dont look for a cure.  D

CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm just curious....how much does this place cost? What exactly do they do there?
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


RottenDog
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   Posted 6/24/2009 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   
in the few months i have been here, i had read each and every post. and in doing so. i have notiest that what works for 1 may not work for the other. its sad but everyone body is different and lyme is different in each ones body too. many of us may have simler sytm, but no 2 are just alike.

when i was told i had lyme. this is what my PCP told me. flat out there is no cure unless treatment is done in the first few weeks. and he didnt know anything about it really. glad i knew more then he did. witch isnt saying a lot..lol

remeber advice is free, what you do with it is your choise. do the rescrech our homework so to speek. i can say that if i had the means i would be going there to.

I wish you all the best in whatever you do :)
   RD
                                                                                                                 
 
still looking for answers
 


CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
From what I understand and have learned, there Is no cure....just like RD said.....just remission.
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

Post Edited (CajunGrl) : 6/24/2009 3:52:13 PM (GMT-6)


sickof lyme
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   Posted 6/24/2009 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Believe me ,I KNOW there is not a cure!! The people at ENVITA told me that Lyme CANNOT be cured completely ,I dont know who ever said that,but that is not what they told me!! and they have been consistent in telling me 3800.00 a week every time Ive talked to them and I have called alot!They said 4-6 weeks is usually the LYme protocol,but the patient can decide to stay however long they want to! The port is extra which most insurances will cover and the blood work is extra which most insurance will cover! and I already have igenex testing so they said I will not have to do that again! everything else is included in the 3800.00 a week ,they said I would be on IVs for 4-5 hours a day! I just wish people would come forward on here if they have experience good or bad!

CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 3:54 PM (GMT -6)   
SickOfLyme,

Thanks for the information. Is some of the $3800.00 covered by insurance?
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


sickof lyme
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   Posted 6/24/2009 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
NO insurance will cover the 3800.00 its considered alternative therapy,unless they cover some of the IV antibiotics! BUt in my experience insurance wont cover any LYme treatment,I had IV antibiotics for 4 months and fought with insurance!

CajunGrl
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   Posted 6/24/2009 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Geez! That's terrible! I don't understand why they don't consider this a chronic disease. Well, I guess Im trying to understand the money hungry part of it but it just all blows my mind.

When are you leaving?
2003 symptoms started;panic attacks,anxiety,heightened senses.
2007 Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008 symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009 Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Biaxin 250mg to start,Mepron,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements


sickof lyme
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   Posted 6/24/2009 5:19 PM (GMT -6)   
IM suppose to be there the 21st but now IM having second thoughts!

KeepHope
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   Posted 6/24/2009 6:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Sick.
It is such a hard decision. I have wanted to go there but I would have to sell off things and maybe my house. I have faith it would help by doing their protocol. But to know how much or if it would be "worth" it? I do not know.
If I had alot of money I would try it and do it. But I dont...... Sucks

Gizmo10
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   Posted 6/29/2009 9:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Try Long Life Medical in Mesa, Az. Dr. Korn is the doctor there who also is at Envita. The lyme protocol costs like half the price as Envita. Without insurance, it's around $10,000, but now they accept United Health Care among others so part of the treatment was covered and I have gotten back around $3000. Some of it i homeopathic so it is usually not covered. I got my port at the hospital so that was covered. I had the EDTa and Antibiotic treatment, and colodial siver for 9 weeks along with a lyph cleanse and mineral IV. It's long and boring, but I do feel better going. I have good and bad days, but I actually have good days now!! I'm just so afraid of it coming back again!! But I think that is def does good to get the treatment.

sickof lyme
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   Posted 6/30/2009 7:05 AM (GMT -6)   
GIzmo
SO why 9 weeks is that wht Dr korn suggested? DO they do all the other stuff like ozone therapy??Envita said mine would be around 6 weeks ,I guess that what people usually can afford! I bet Dr kOrn has a bigger waiting list!! Did u like Dr Korn? Is he the father or the son? I had someone tell me he acted like he was on drugs then I had someone say he is very spritual and prays with you,I would like your opinion?

Chris L
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   Posted 6/30/2009 8:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Sick of Lyme,
 
You have to do what you feel is right, but remember as each of us tries various costly treatments, different protocols, and new doctors, we can contribute to our lyme community with our experience and information. 
 
Unfortunately, I feel there are many "lyme treatments" out there that rob us of our energy, money and sanity, but if we share this information we help others make more informed decisions.  As a community we grow stronger with this knowledge. 
 
So at very least, if you decide to go, you are "taking one for the team" so to speak, and helping out others here on the board by sharing your honest opinion on your experience. 
I know this thought process has pushed me to continue trying things when I normally wouldn't.   
 
 

Post Edited (Chris L) : 6/30/2009 12:37:48 PM (GMT-6)


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 6/30/2009 11:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I was not aware that one of the Korn Dr.s had another clinic. I wil call them and ask them about that.
I know both of them very well.
The father is a sweet old man who has suffered from his lyme for a long time. He is a sweet old man. Drugs?
Common. That is just mean. He does not even drink. He is a sweet old man who is a very religious man too.
Yet he will be the first to tell you that he does have some difficutly sometimes with his lyme and focusing sometimes he sort of drifts or loses his focus.
His son is very sharp and young and also has lyme.
There does not seem to be any thing wrong with him and he beams with gfood health.
When I went there they were doing one type of treatment for lyme. And it was a two hour treatment. Then it changed to the 6 hour treatment and went more into the heavy protical of Chelation.
I did them both.
My choices were get better with them or be institutionalized. So I did all of the treatments that they had.
I did not want to deal with FDA guidlines any more or the New England journal of medicines treamtment any more. I did all of their treatments and the 60 days of abx from the day of being bitten did not in fact work for me or my kids.
I think it sucks that the insurance comp do not cover the alternative treatments!
Most cannot afford to pay that kind of money...in this economy.
A cancer Dr. cannot tell a patient that he or she will be or can be cured 100% of cancer.
There is no magic pill for these problems.
I do have good news!
I went off of cymbalta a week ago. Something that I had to take to be able to walk and not kill myself....lol
And I feel fine! No pain.
I have my life back. I think it has more to do with getting my immune system back in fighting order and getting my whole body detoxed.
It was not easy or pleasant but I would pay for others to be able to get what I got. It gave me my health back.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 6/30/2009 3:29 PM (GMT -6)   
This is the hottest medical debate since the whole...HIV and AIDS issue. And Cancer treatment is a big problem as well.
I have lost at least 6 dear friends from cancer in the last year and a half and all of them got radiation and chemo.
They were all told that it was gone..and all the cancer came back and killed all of them. And their quality of life was so awful after begging there"so called chemo and radio treatment" that I have decided that if I get cancer....then too bad. It will just have to take me. I am not going to kick my system and life with all of the deadly treatments out there...to have a longer and worse life.
But hey....there is a lot of $$$$$$ in it.
Envita treats people who are really ill with cancer. They work hard to boost peoples immune systems. Not just killl everythingwith harmful drugs.
I saw many people get better at the clinic along with me. I was not alone there.
My treatment took longer because I kept flying home to see my kids. I was so excited to be feeling better that I had to come home for all of the holidays. I had not been able to take my kids trick and treating for 4 years....so I ran home for everything.
I was by now means an easy or cooperative patient.
2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."


Gizmo10
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   Posted 6/30/2009 9:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't know Dr. Korn had a son! I met his wife, she's a nurse at the place in Mesa.  She's really nice too.  Dr. Korn can seem a little whacky, but he knows his stuff.  He actually makes you feel like your not crazy, and explains every bit of your blood work, even draws diagrams on exactly how things work, he even gave me a book to bring home and read.  I've started crying in his office quite a few times because after years of being mis-diagnosted, I finally felt like I wasn't crazy, and got a clear veiw on finally what was wrong. I don't think there is that ridiculous of a wait to get an appointment, I usually am able to get appointments within a few weeks or less.  I'm almost positive that they have ozone therapy there.  You can go on there website to check it out.. it's Longlife-medical.com.  I had 9 weeks of EDTA and Zithromax, along with a lymph drainage twice a week too.  The nurses are great, the receptionists are great, and I really like the place.  And when I got my treatment, I was usually the only one there at the time getting Ivs all day.  They have movies playing, and comfy recliners and blankets, so I would usually just pass out for a few hours each time.  Call them there and give it a try, you will probably save a lot of money, you can probably just ask the receptionist how much it costs over the phone too, but I'm also certain it's a lot less than Envita.

Gizmo10
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   Posted 6/30/2009 11:04 PM (GMT -6)   
http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/tinagarcia/Korn.htm

There's an interveiw with Dr. Korn that tells alot about him. It's quite interesting.

sickof lyme
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   Posted 7/1/2009 8:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Gizmo ,I will give them a call,I have read his interview awhile back! I love the public health alert newspaper,it does sound like Envita gives a few more ivs there so that might be the cost difference and Im sure the supplements are not cheap! I had another women tell me she went to Dr Korns clinic and the quote they gave her was just as much as Envita! like 3800.00 a week which is the same as Envita!But I will call and see what I find out!
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