somewhat off topic: Cardiac Ultrasound in Routine Athletic Physical

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rcenters
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   Posted 7/3/2009 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Was just curious....do doctors who perform routine physicals, or what I'm really wondering about is physicals for high schools sports, do they usually include cardiac ultrasound in it?   I keep hearing about young players dying during practice or games from "previously undiagnosed heart conditions", and it reminds me of when I played high school football and I recall that the physicals we had to go to didn't do ANYTHING other than visual inspection, listening with a stethoscope, etc.    Of course, being from an extremely rural town, I suppose it's possible that OUR clinic just didn't have the equipment to do this but perhaps in larger cities they do.
 
Any comments?

KO-LD
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   Posted 7/8/2009 12:58 PM (GMT -6)   
My son needed a physicial for sports, and his doctor heard a slight murmur so he ordered a cardiac echo, very, very expensive.  I don't think they do this test unless they find something of concern.
KO
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rcenters
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   Posted 7/8/2009 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
The reason I was asking is because the PCP I used to go to until a few months ago had their own ultrasound and they did it in-office and after looking at the insurance payout I didn't see anything super huge. Of course....this is in NJ and they probably have enough patients to defray the cost. What really makes it expensive is if either it's done by a cardiologist or if the PCP sends it to a cardiologist for review.

Either way I'm not sure if a doctor using a stethoscope could ever hope to diagnose that kind of thing- unless it's SO bad that it's obvious(which it wouldn't usually be, I wouldn't think).

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   Posted 7/8/2009 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
As far as I know, it is not a routine part of a sports physical, even for high school and college. There is an organization called the Anthony Bates Foundation, that raises funds to perform cardiac echos on teens. They do EKG's and echos all around the country. Apparently, when you do it in large groups, the cost can be much less then $50.00/teenager. They don't charge but they gladly accept donations. You can google them for more information. I am not connected with this group but you can read below to find out why I endorse them!

I was taking Biaxin for Lyme when I found out I was pregnant with my son. Aside from the risk of Lyme, the docs were concerned that the meds could damage his heart. They checked him out and he was fine but they told me he should have an echo when he reached his teens.

I've since moved across the country and the doc here saw no reason to do it. When I persisted, his insurance turned me down but there was no way we could afford to pay for it ourselves. I was lucky that the Bates Foundation was performing them for free at our local high school. They took his medical history, gave him an EKG and then they did a cardiac echo, all for free. My son's heart is fine and I feel so relieved.

KO-LD
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   Posted 7/8/2009 2:09 PM (GMT -6)   
My son had his echo done at the hospital, outpatient. the test alone was $1,500 then to read it the doctor charged $800 for something that probably took all of 5 - 10 minutes of his time. He didn't even have to go to the hospital to do it. They send him a bunch to read online and he dictates his report. KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


SamLyme
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   Posted 4/3/2015 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
To KO, why did u stop dr. Zhang's protocol? I'm starting Zhang on Monday for my 15 year who tested positive on WB.

Traveler
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   Posted 4/3/2015 11:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi SamLyme!
Welcome to our community!

I'm so very sorry, but this is a very old thread. While some of the posters may still be monitoring the site, KO-LD hasn't logged in since November 2013.

You might have better luck posing your question slightly differently to the entire forum in a new thread. I believe we have members using Zhang's protocol now.
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