Ok guys I got my WB results back!!

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veromia333
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   Posted 7/8/2009 8:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Heres what they said on the phone so far. Of course negative by CDC standards.
But--
IGM- 34-Ind 39-Ind 41-Positive 58-Positive
IGG 28-Positive 41-Positive 58-Positive.

Does anyone have any info on 28 other than unknown.

So to me this is a positive test,
Doesnt indicative mean positive only it was a low positive and so they cant by law consider it pos?
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/8/2009 8:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Veronica,

What did your doctor say? My results are similiar to yours but I have a few more IND's. My doctor told me that IND meant that something WAS definitely there but the band wasn't dark enough for the lab to for sure say it was positive. My doctor views IND's as positive bands. I guess that's why we get a clinical diagnosis and thank God for that.
2003: Symptoms started;Anxiety,Panic Attacks,Heightened Senses
2007: Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008: Symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009: Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Currently on 1500mg Amoxicillian,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

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Jendays247
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   Posted 7/8/2009 9:07 PM (GMT -6)   
You are almost the same as me. On IGG I had 39 IND, 41 +++ and 58 + and IGM 30 + 39 IND and 41 IND
Current treatment (began June 10th 2009):
Biaxin 1000mg/day, Pulsing Flagyl 500mg/day 1 Week Every Month
 
 
 
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RottenDog
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   Posted 7/8/2009 10:27 PM (GMT -6)   
from what i was told it only takes 2 positives on IgM to be positive by CDC and its 5 positive for IgG. i was positive for 23 and 41 IgM and the CDC and health dept both called me. as its the law in Tx for them to be contacked on all positive Lyme test. and the Drs didnt turn it in the lab who ran the test did.


   RD
 
still looking for answers.
 
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Post Edited (RottenDog) : 7/8/2009 11:55:11 PM (GMT-6)


veromia333
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   Posted 7/8/2009 10:38 PM (GMT -6)   
yeah i'm glad for the clinical diagnosis also i am on doxy based on clinical and it is hard. ...I am just glad that it wasnt just plain neg cuz i know its lyme u know, im glad enough showed to satisfy as some evidence for my brain.
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


veromia333
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   Posted 7/8/2009 11:49 PM (GMT -6)   
i read 28 is specific for bb

Note: Bands preceded with an asterisk are the 11 Western blot bands for
the ASTPHLD, CDC, FDA, NIH, CSTE, NCCLS 1994 conference recommendation
("CDC recommendation") for the serologic diagnosis of Lyme disease -
see 1995 CDC MMWR link below.

5-kDa
7.5-kDa
11-kDa
13-kDa surface protein - sensu stricto, afzelii
14-kDa internal flagellin fragment [specific for Bb]
15 kDa polypeptide [also for syphilis]
16-kDa
17-kDa Osp 17 [B. afzelii]
*18-kDa p18 flagellin fragment
19-kDa immunogenic integral membrane lipoproteins
cross-reactive with other spirochetes/bacteria
Characterization of antigenic determinants of Bb shared by other
bacteria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=1372635&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
19-kDa decorin-binding protein
20-kDa decorin-binding protein
20.5-kDa
20.7-kDa
*21-kDa OspC [specific for Bb]
22-kDa [specific for Bb or cross-reactive depending on what one reads]
immunogenic integral membrane lipoproteins
[cross-reactive with other spirochetes/bacteria]
Characterization of antigenic determinants of Bb shared by other
bacteria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=1372635&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
22-kDa OspC [specific for Bb]
22-25kDa OspC
23-kDa OspC
*24-kDa OspC
25-kDa OspC [specific for Bb]
26-kDa
27-kDa Osp, Hsp
(Europe burgdorferi strain B29, but not American strain B31)
*28-kDa OspD, Oms28 [specific for Bb]
29-kDa OspA?
30-32-kDa OspA
*30-kDa OspA substrate binding protein
31-kDa OspA [specific for Bb]
32-kDa OspA
33-kDa outer membrane
34-kDa OspB [specific for Bb]
34-36-kDa OspB
35-kDa OspB [specific for Bb]
35.5-kDa
36-37-kDa
37-kDa P37, FlaA gene product, [specific for Bb]
38.0-kDa FlaA
*39-kDa BmpA [specific for Bb]
40-kDa
*41-kDa FlaB
42-kDa
43-kDa
44-kDa
*45-kDa [appeared in IgM in control group in 1998 study done in Poland]
MEDLINE - 9972057 - "...whereas in control group only antibodies
against 45 kDa and 58 kDa were present."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9972057&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
[appears for HGE]
MEDLINE - 9620365 - "...confirmed the importance of the 42- to
45-kDa antigens as early, persistent, and specific markers of HGE
infection."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9620365&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
46-kDa
47-kDa P47 fibronectin-binding protein [specific for Bb]
48-kDa
49-kDa
50-kDa [specific for Bb]
51 kDa MgtE
52-kDa Fn-BA
54-kDa [other Borrelia]
55-kDa
56-kDa
57-kDa PBP
*58-kDa (not GroEL)
59-kDa [a genetically engineeried fragment of the 83-kDa protein]
60-kDa Hsp [all Borrelia]
62-kDa Hsp60
63.7-kDa
64-kDa (P64) [cross-reacts to human axonal proteins]
65-kDa
*66-kDa P66 Oms66 Hsp outer/integral membrane protein
67-kDa
68-kDa
70-kDa Hsp
71-kDa
72-kDa Hsp [cross-reactive with other spirochetes]
[cross-reactive with other spirochetes/bacteria]
Characterization of antigenic determinants of Bb shared by other
bacteria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=1372635&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
73-kDa
75-kDa
77-kDa a genetically engineered recombinant hybred
Use of a hybrid protein consisting of the variable region of the
Borrelia burgdorferi flagellin and part of the 83-kDa protein as
antigen for serodiagnosis of Lyme disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=8027303&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
78-kDa OspA
79.8-kDa
80-kDa
83-kDa p83 high molecular mass protein [specific for Bb]
84-kDa [B. garinii]
88-kDa
92-kDa
*93-kDa an immunodominant protoplasmic cylinder antigen, associated with
the flagellum [specific for Bb]
94-kDa PBP [specific for Bb]
95-kDa
97-kDa associated with flagella
100-kDa P100
110-kDa
200-kDa a fusion protein, a hybrid protein

-----
Named bands - the gene names:

BmpA, BmpB, BmpC "the 39 kDa Bmp protein family", PMID: 8978084
BmpD, PMID: 8606088
FlaA, an outer sheath protein of the periplasmic flagella
37-kDa, PMID: 9986810
38-kDa, PMID: 9573194, PMID: 8990312
FlaB, 41-kDa PMID: 9573194
FlgE, protein 40-kDa?, PMID: 8548542
ospAB,28-34-kDa, PMID: 9596714

---
OspA = 29-33.5 kDa

Regarding OspA AND Lyme disease the following molecular weights are
associated with OspA in the MEDLINE database:

Note: To see the abstract for a particular PMID number,
simply insert the number, via copy and paste, in the following URL
after the "&list_uids=" term:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=&dopt=Abstract

Example, using the first number below:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10638032&dopt=Abstract

29-31 kDa - PMID: 10638032, 8429231
29.6 kDa - PMID: 1406458
30 kDa - PMID: 7500914
30-32 kDa - PMID: 2461135
31-kDa - PMID: 10030131, PMID: 8005219, PMID: 8406878, PMID: 1520966
PMID: 1554741, PMID: 10699329, PMID: 8825913
32-kDa - PMID: 8005219, PMID: 1520966
32-kDa/rOspA dog vaccine - PMID: 8567917
32.5 kDa - PMID: 9144917, PMID: 8004045
33 kDa - PMID: 1520966, PMID: 8005219
33.5 kDa - PMID: 8004045, PMID: 1520966

---
OspB 34-kDa PMID: 10030131
OspC 21-25-kDa, 22-25-kDa - PMID: 8825913,
OspD 28-kDa, PMID: 8825913
OspE 19.2-kDa [calculated], PMID: 8262642
OspF 26.1-kDa [calculated], PMID: 8262642

-----
Bands specific for Borrelia burgdorferi:

14-kDa ?
21-kDa
22-kDa OspC
25-kDa OspC
28-kDa OspD
31-kDa OspA
34-kDa OspB
35-kDa
37-kDa
39-kDa
47-kDa
50-kDa
83-kDa
93-kDa
94-kDa
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


RottenDog
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   Posted 7/8/2009 11:57 PM (GMT -6)   
i wish i could understand all that. it just made me go crosseyed trying to read it :(
   RD
 
still looking for answers.
 
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veromia333
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   Posted 7/9/2009 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Well it basically said well what concerns me is that the cdc considers 28 to be lyme specific and that means I had a specific Lyme positive band along with the spirochete positive band and the heat shock band which means it cannot be the syphlis spirochete. That is like the only other spirochete that can cause remotely similar symptoms.
I mean i know its Lyme but the WB just gave me some satisfaction of enough personal proof. i feel alot better.
I smiled when i got the results, my Dad was like "why are you happy it was basically pos?", i said," Dad i know it is Lyme i didnt want a too negative result so I had to test again and again , and i'm in pain everyday at least this is a treatable disease if its not lyme what the hell else would i be dealing with that i possibly cannot overcome at all."
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


veromia333
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   Posted 7/9/2009 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   
what does ms mean, LK
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


1bitten2xshy
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   Posted 7/9/2009 2:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Veromia

I am happy that you received validation from what you felt all along.
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1bitten2xshy
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   Posted 7/9/2009 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymekiller

Veromia had/has Lyme specific bands.
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CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/9/2009 2:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Veronica,

I think I know what LymeKiller meant. You asked in your post, "What else could it be?", and he said MS. Although, I don't really think you were asking, more than just expressing yourself to your dad.
2003: Symptoms started;Anxiety,Panic Attacks,Heightened Senses
2007: Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008: Symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009: Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Currently on 1500mg Amoxicillian,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

**You never know how STRONG you are....until being STRONG is the ONLY choice you have.**

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Post Edited (CajunGrl) : 7/9/2009 3:56:48 PM (GMT-6)


JELAINEP
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   Posted 7/9/2009 6:36 PM (GMT -6)   
According to my VERY non-medical opinion, you have LD and need immediated treatment!!!
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.  - Margaret Meade
06/00- I begin to fall apart, 08/01-LD +, 10/01- Igenex and CDC LD positive, 10/02-LD +, 11/03-LD +, 10/07-Bartonella +, CD57=3, koseri IgA +, Morganella +, motgani +,Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever +, Typhus +, Klebsiella pneumonia +, Proteus miabilis +, Citrobacter i IgA +, Hafnia alvai IgA +, NKC4 +, Interleukin 4 (IL4) +, IL8, Immunobillin (IM01) +. 
Rx's 06/15/09: Wellbutrin 300, Paxil 60, Xanax 5, Acidophilus, Lyrica 600, Levaquin 500, Diflucan, Invanz IV, possibly Gammaglobulin, Flagyl, HBOT  
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veromia333
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   Posted 7/9/2009 9:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh I see. you guys are so observant.
Yes I do nd treatment J thank you.
I am on doxy right now not much improvement really, but ive had it for 9 yrs according to when I believe i contracted it in 2000.
just worried bout the baby.
She gets her WB done on Mon!

Prayers please! For baby mia.
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/10/2009 2:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Veronica,

Baby Mia is in my thoughts and prayers:)
2003: Symptoms started;Anxiety,Panic Attacks,Heightened Senses
2007: Diagnosed with Lyme. Didn't start treatment.
2008: Symptoms came back with a vengence.
2009: Diagnosed with Lyme plus co-infections....Babesia and Bartonella.
Illnesses:-Chronic Lyme Disease,Hashimotos Thyroiditis, Ulcers, Hypoglycemia
Medications:-Currently on 1500mg Amoxicillian,Ultram,Thyro Complex 60mg,Probiotics and supplements

**You never know how STRONG you are....until being STRONG is the ONLY choice you have.**

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RottenDog
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   Posted 7/10/2009 2:51 AM (GMT -6)   
i pray for you and mia daily along with everyone else.

¤°´¯BIG.¤*¨*¤(¯`´¯)¤*¨*¤.Hugs¯`°¤.
   RD
 
still looking for answers.
 
Remember that advice if free, its your choice what you do with it.  :)


james from missouri
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   Posted 7/10/2009 5:49 AM (GMT -6)   
praying for baby mia

mcjane
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   Posted 7/10/2009 10:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Lighting a candle for baby Mia

veromia333
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   Posted 7/10/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you all so.
I love this place! You and your are all in our prayers.
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.

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