Organ inflammation...gallbladder issues?? (update again)

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Amy C
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   Posted 7/26/2009 3:01 PM (GMT -6)   

My 10 yr old has been complaining of constant nausea for awhile now. He also has complained of heartburn and takes fiber daily for constipation.

 

Lately he has been saying he has pain near the upper right abdominal area. At 1st I thought it was his liver inflamed so I increased the milk thistle. Then I started to wonder if it could be his gallbladder? The nausea thing is what makes me wonder.

 

The problem is it could be pancreas too so how does one know? Would an ultra sound show anything? I could call his LLMD and request one if so.

 

How can you know if it's an actual problem with the organ or if it's just a herx or inflammation? It's tough when it's your kids. I try not to overreact but my 13 yr old had an ulcer a few years ago and then a hernia  rolleyes  

 

Right now he is on Azithromycin 500 mg and just got off Biaxin 1000 mg because it caused insomnia. He just started Prevacid after he told the LLMD about his heartburn.

 

Thanks,

Amy


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~My brother Igenex positive 4/09
~My 2 boys some positive & IND bands, clinical diagnosis 3/09
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Post Edited (Amy C) : 8/1/2009 11:08:03 AM (GMT-6)


Dowa
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   Posted 7/26/2009 3:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I am experiencing the same pain right now. I phoned a friend last night that just had her gallbladder removed and she said they can take a picture of it now. Cant remember the name of the procedure, sorry, She said her's was blue from lack of blood flow to the gallbladder. The amazing part of the conversation was that now they do the gallbladder surgery on an out-patient basis and it is done through your navel. She went home that afternoon.  Amazing, my brother had a ten inch scar from his surgery a few years before they started this procedure. Have the picture taken, its an easy, quick test (she said) Good luck-  D

Amy C
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   Posted 7/26/2009 3:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks I wonder if it's the test where they put dye in? If so I really don't want that one. For one they would have to inject it via IV I assume and from past experiences with him and IV's or blood taking that is not a pretty picture at all!! Long story! Do you remember her mentioned that at all? Thanks
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One BIG Lyme family!! Possibly congential...
~I tested CDC positive 10/08
~My mom Igenex positive 11/08
~My brother Igenex positive 4/09
~My 2 boys some positive & IND bands, clinical diagnosis 3/09
~My youngest has Aspergers too (a form of autism)


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   Posted 7/26/2009 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
They can look at the gallbladder, pancreas, liver, & kidneys with ultrasound. The name of the test is Abdominal Ultrasound. I think the only prep for the test is to be fasting so food in the stomach doesn't get in the way of the ability to see the organs clearly. No IV's are required, no "gut cleanouts," just fasting, and they do rub some jelly-like stuff on the belly to help the ultrasound prope work better. This is a noninvasive and easy test. I've had a few of them...one of which was used to diagnose me with gallstones. I had the "keyhole" surgery but was kept overnight for observation post-surgery due to other issues (I'm complex medically). It took about a month for me to return to my normal activity level after the surgery, but I felt considerably better after the surgery - 15 years of nearly constant nausea disappeared with the removal of the gallbladder.

Good luck,
-Razzle
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CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/27/2009 3:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Amy,

I had a test done to see if my liver was inflammed because the ultrasound wasn't enough. I "think" it was an MRI as I had to lay inside of this long, enclosed machine. It was not a CT scan. I remember the tech saying magnetic renasonce, so I'm assuming it was an MRI. I went in feet first so it wasn't too bad.

Are your sons detoxing? It is very important for them to do to make sure they get the toxins out. Also, are they taking probiotics? It is important to replace the bacteria in the gut that is dying off from the antibiotics.
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Post Edited (CajunGrl) : 7/27/2009 5:32:48 AM (GMT-6)


Deejavu
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   Posted 7/27/2009 5:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Amy,
 
I'm so sorry that your 10 year old is having problems.  I would get the tests done as others recommended.  
 
My initial thought was that a 10 year old is too yound to do a liver/gallbladder cleanse as that would eliminate stones, toxins, etc.  But then I read this and it said that a if a 10 year old could drink olive oil and grapefruit juice, then it's okay.   Just a thought.
 
 
 
Many people do this cleanse (I want to do it soon!) and only had great things to say about it.  It eliminates pain, toxins, gives a person more energy, etc. 
 
The basic recipe is simple for 7 year olds and older:
 
Amount of olive oil can be 3/4 or 1/2 of adult dose.
Amount of Epsom Salt can be 3/4 or 1/2 of adult dose.

You can replace all water (3 cups ) in Hulda's Cleanse with freshly pressed Grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice.

Recipe:

Dissolve Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate = MgSO4 + 7H2O) in 3 cups of freshly pressed juice.

That way, you can't taste Epsom salt, and body will absorb more of it.

The more you absorb, the more relaxed and more flexible bile ducts will be.

It may happen you don't get strong diarrhea!

Some people may absorb all, and they may need extra, or enema, to get diarrhea.
It is very tasty and pleasant, compared with Epsom Salt dissolved in water.

This alternative is great for kids!

If kids are small (10 years), do not give more then 1/4 cup of olive oil!

Kids can also take 1/2 tea-sp. of magnesium sulfate daily, with freshly pressed juice (apple, grapefruit, orange,....)
Hope your sons feel better,
Denise
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Dowa
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   Posted 7/27/2009 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I would be careful about doing a cleanse if the gallbladder is inflammed.  D

Amy C
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   Posted 7/27/2009 1:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I call the LLMD today and I think he is going to order an ultra sound of his gall bladder. Just waiting for him to call back. Thanks and I will let you know.

I did think of doing the detox for the gall bladder but might wait to see how this goes.

They do both take several herbs for detoxing and probiotics too.

Thanks again!
One BIG Lyme family!! Possibly congential...
~I tested CDC positive 10/08
~My mom Igenex positive 11/08
~My brother Igenex positive 4/09
~My 2 boys some positive & IND bands, clinical diagnosis 3/09
~My youngest has Aspergers too (a form of autism)


springsjean
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   Posted 7/27/2009 5:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I am also experiencing right upper abdominal/flank pain but I dont' have my gallbladder. Have a kidney cyst but they say it's not that. Ugh. I feel so bad for your son. No one should have to suffer like this let alone a child. My heart and well wishes to you.

sher004
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   Posted 7/27/2009 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Just so you know, the gallbladder flush doesn't work if you have live parasites in your liver.  You just throw it all up and feel really awful.  Found out the 'why' after this happened to me.  Hulda Clark has a lot of information on this cleanse, probably in all of her books. 
 

CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/28/2009 12:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Amy,

Are they doing detox baths? You may also want to invest in a portable sauna. It helps get all the toxins out.
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Amy C
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   Posted 7/28/2009 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok so I guess I am on my own with this one! Why can't I find an LLMD that makes me happy?? We just switched to a new one that we drive 12 hrs to see and I thought I like him but now I am not so sure!

Just spoke to him and he is saying maybe it's his meds or an ulcer? But all symptoms point to gallbladder, liver or pancreas to me so why can't he just order an ultra sound? My older son had an ulcer and I know what those symptoms are and this is different.

He was on Biaxin and now Zith and I don't see how either of these would cause this problem? He wants me to take him off of abx for a week to see if that helps. I don't want to do that! His Lyme would probably get worse don't you think?

Ugh!! mad
One BIG Lyme family!! Possibly congential...
~I tested CDC positive 10/08
~My mom Igenex positive 11/08
~My brother Igenex positive 4/09
~My 2 boys some positive & IND bands, clinical diagnosis 3/09
~My youngest has Aspergers too (a form of autism)

Post Edited (Amy C) : 7/28/2009 2:35:43 PM (GMT-6)


sher004
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   Posted 7/29/2009 11:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I was reading somewhere lately, don't remember where, that lyme likes to hang out in the liver and gallbladder. So it makes sense that when you kill it, their dead remains might clog the bile ducts. That seems to be happening to me, as I get repeated bouts of liver/gallbladder pain like my bile flow is partially obstructed, which always occurs in tandem with worse constipation, as you get stopped up if your bile doesn't flow sufficiently. Perhaps your doctor's suggestion of temporarily stopping the meds would give your son's body a chance to clear out the dead lyme. I wouldn't worry too much about stopping the meds for a while, as I believe some doctors do this as part of their lyme killing protocol. Lyme likes to hide from antibiotics by going into its cyst form. Stopping the antibiotics makes them come out, then restarting them kills them.

CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/29/2009 12:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Amy,

I agree with Sher. Stopping the antibiotics for a little while might be best. This will give the body a chance to get rid of the toxins. I had pain around the same area and did a foot andbath detox and felt much better.
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Amy C
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   Posted 8/1/2009 11:06 AM (GMT -6)   
We tried to stop meds for a few days. He not only still has the pains but now all his symptoms are back. He is feeling crappy and asked to take his meds again.

I am thinking this is following the same pattern that I had years ago. He says every time he eats he has pain. It might be his stomach. I had the same thing years ago. It didn't matter what I ate, but every time I took a bite of food I was in pain. It got really bad and I would sometimes be doubled over in pain crying for hours. Went to ER a few times but nothing. Had a scope and nothing. Ultrasound of organs and nothing still. Never figured out the problem!

Though I did figure out, after trying several things, that taking acidophilus before I ate worked somewhat. Then after several years of that my dr gave me nexium and I took that for awhile and now it's ok.

Does anyone know if kids can have nexium? He is taking prevacid but it's not helping so far. Thanks!!
One BIG Lyme family!! Possibly congential...
~I tested CDC positive 10/08
~My mom Igenex positive 11/08
~My brother Igenex positive 4/09
~My 2 boys some positive & IND bands, clinical diagnosis 3/09
~My youngest has Aspergers too (a form of autism)


CajunGrl
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   Posted 8/1/2009 11:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Amy,

Poor baby. I feel so bad for him. Im not sure about the Nexium. I "thought" it was just for adults but I may be wrong. I was going to say Prevacid, but he's already taking it.

Can he maybe take a higher dose of Prevacid? Ask your doctor and see.

It seems like maybe the antibiotics are upsetting his stomach. Try the probiotics 30 minutes to an hour before he eats and see if that helps.

You may want to get in touch with a stomach doctor too just to be sure it's not an ulcer. I had pain real bad one time and I wind up having a growth in my stomach that the doctor removed. It was non cancerous but boy did it hurt!
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