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   Posted 8/18/2009 12:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all!
I have been reading & hearing al lot about vit. C. I quit taking it about 1 1/2 months ago, as my urine was a strange mix of dark yellow & neon green. smhair

Can any one explain to me what might have been going on?? I did get my urine back to a much closer 'norm' by quiting the vit. C.

I have been thinking of starting back up with the vit. C, but I would like to gain a better understanding of what to do & what to look out for.

I'm sure I will have a lot of questions as I learn more about this suppliment.

Thank you very much for any light someone might be able to shed on this subject.

Thanx~
Trav
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LadywLyme
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   Posted 8/18/2009 1:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Traveler,

I am new to this site and trying to learn as much as I can with little to contribute at this time.

I can tell you that vit C is water soluble.

I was concerned with how much the doc has me taking (not to mention how hard the pills are to swallow). The doc basically said that my body will absorb what it needs and flush out the rest so I shouldn't worry about taking too much.

Maybe your body didn't need as much which effected your urine.

I take 10,000 mg 2X a day...20,000 total! My urine is always dark but I take so many meds and vitamins, it could be anything. Maybe it is in fact my body releasing the extra C that I didn't use. I don't know.

I have read in my places, during my research, that C is part of standard protocol when the immune system has been compromised. Mine is very low so I know the amount of C I'm on can't hurt.

I guess I would ask if you felt better while on C?

LadywLyme

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   Posted 8/19/2009 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Lady!!
Thank you so much for your post!! How long you have been on this site is almost irrevalent - as I usually just need to gather info that I don't already have (or have already lost!!! rolleyes )

When I quit taking vit. C, I was only taking 1 - 50 mg tablet a day. What got me taking a much larger dose to begin with was that it actually

helped reduce the pain & swelling in my thyroid & in my lymph glands near & around my head/neck.At one time I had managed to get

my dose of C up to about only 300 or 400 mg. At that time every doc that I saw was really pressuring me to quit the C. Harrumf!!

shakehead It seems that once again, I knew more than the docs I was seeing!!! shocked I already knew thst whatever vit. C

my body wasn't using would get flushed out of my system!!!!

Anyway, Lady thank you for answering my plea!!!!
I wish you healing & peace ~
Trav
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IH8Ticks
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   Posted 8/19/2009 2:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I take over 1000mg a day of Vitamin C with no problems. I believe that 500mg is consider a sufficient dose for healthy people. Vitamin C can turn your urine yellow, but it's one of the B vitamins (I forget which one) that I usually associate with the neon color. Some antibiotics also discolor urine, so read your information packets to see what side effects they have.

Babesia can also cause dark urine, so if you haven't already, I suggest you be tested for that.

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   Posted 8/19/2009 3:46 PM (GMT -6)   
As it happens, I eat vitamin C like candy....the chewables taste pretty good! I'd guess I've taken 5-6 grams at once this way. With that said....can anyone recommend a good powder version of C? Preferably one that is pure vit c with no preservatives or anything else. Although - it does need to be in mineral ascorbate form - ie, calcium or sodium ascorbate, NOT ascorbic acid. I've got some things I want to try with powdered C...

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   Posted 8/19/2009 3:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi I'H8'!
As ar as I know, I have not been tested for any co's - it was just assumed that I had most of them.

I discovered the B vit connection w/dark urine just 3 weeks ago. I took myself off of it for 4 days & it has resolved as of now.

I'm going to be adding large doses of C, once I start a homeopathic tx. I'm going to be starting KingBio's Lyme tonic in a week or so.

I will be posting any results (or issues) with this tx, as it seems that very, very few Lymies have used this product. I chose to

start with the KingBio product 1st, as my pharm. highly recommended it & he sells it cheaper than I can order it online!!!

But, thank you for your post!! I need all of the help one lymie can get!!!

Wishing you health & peace~
Trav
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IH8Ticks
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   Posted 8/19/2009 4:12 PM (GMT -6)   
I should have asked this early, but do you have any pain or burning when you urinate or in your bladder? That's another sign of babesia. For me, it happened very intermittently. It was hard to pin down what it was at first.

My doctor didn't warn me about the neon thing when she recommended the Vitamin B. It was shocking to say the least.

CajunGrl
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   Posted 8/19/2009 8:10 PM (GMT -6)   
rcenters,

I have a powdered Vitamin C that you may be interested in getting. It doesn't say anything about Ascorbate Acid so I don't know about that one. The one I take is called C Aspa Scorb. One teaspoon contains 4000mg of Vitamin C. It also has Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, Manganese and Potassium in it. I get mine from a licensed distributor but I'm sure you can find it online. It's manufactored by Progressive Laboratories.
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   Posted 8/19/2009 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey everybody out there! I took megadoses of C for several years, appx 25 yrs ago (appx 1500mg/day) At the first sign of a cold or flu, I would up the doses. 99.8 of the time, I was able to fight off a cold or flu when I felt it coming on if I choked down a handful . I have been taking megadoses of C for about 20 yrs. and since I got a lyme infection, I now take appx 10 grams per day. These doses are spread out in they day, like every couple of hours. A chiropractor told me how to figure out how much C you can take when you are ill. In all seriousness, he said to take the C until it gives you diahwhatever. And that is when you've had enough
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   Posted 8/20/2009 1:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Ih8!
I do get bladder pain from time to time - I figured it was just an LD thing. It didn't feel like a bladder infection.
I know I am not helping my body much, but I don't tell the gp I see every little thing that is funky or causing issues - most of it he can't do anything about as he will openly admit that he is already "in over his head" with my LD & other TB infections.
And I TOTALLY agree with you about the neon urine - quite disturbing!!!!
Thank you for all of your help!!!
Wishing you all health & peace where you are~
Trav
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   Posted 8/20/2009 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
Hey Ih8!
I do get bladder pain from time to time - I figured it was just an LD thing. It didn't feel like a bladder infection.
I know I am not helping my body much, but I don't tell the gp I see every little thing that is funky or causing issues - most of it he can't do anything about as he will openly admit that he is already "in over his head" with my LD & other TB infections.
And I TOTALLY agree with you about the neon urine - quite disturbing!!!!
Thank you for all of your help!!!
Wishing you all health & peace where you are~
Trav


Bladder pain can be attributed to Lyme, but bladder pain + dark urine (intermittently) suggests babesia to me. Babs has be treated differently. You'll also have a harder time getting rid of Lyme if you don't treat the babs as well.

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   Posted 8/20/2009 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been reading a lot about the need to treat the co's first. So far I have only been treated for LD & Masters Disease.

I think what happened is that the LLMD (he's passed now) I was seeing just assumed I had all of the co's, but felt it necessary to takle the brain infection first - & BOY!! that was pretty rough!!

I am going to call my last LLMD's office & request ALL of my records to be sent to me. I need to know his thoughts & stuff while under his care.

Although, I am not going to the tx w/ abx route - I want to try out both the Homeo tx and the "natural" tx first this time.

Thanks for sharing so much info with me!! ~
Trav
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   Posted 8/20/2009 4:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Babesia symptoms can be hard to distinguish from Lyme and other co-infections. A couple of symptoms that are more specific to babesia are 1) shortness of breath and 2) hot flashes/sweating (although I've had babs for years and only recently developed the hot flashes). Hope that helps and good luck!

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   Posted 8/20/2009 5:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Actually that info is very helpful!! I have been experiencing the hot flashes/sweating now for a few months - but are you talking about

specifically at night? I have had the night sweats off & on for years now, and just recently started doing it during the day as well.

It usually happens late afternoon or early evening. But not every day. I have yet been able to see much pattern on that, as I have

so many things going on because of all of the TBI's are coming out to play.

Thanks again ~
Trav
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   Posted 8/20/2009 5:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I've seen some people say that their sweats are only at night, but for me, they can happen any time. Today, for example, I had trouble breathing for an hour or so, followed by a hot flash and sweats that lasted for 5 minutes or more. Mine was probably more of a herx than a regular reaction since today I took Mepron.

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   Posted 8/21/2009 2:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm not sure if all of this info is making me happy - but it's always nice to know that it's being confirmed that it is one of the co's. As I think I've said, the only LLMD (I have had the opportunity to be under care) just assumed I had not only LD, but Masters & co's.
Thank you so very much for the info!!
Trav
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   Posted 8/22/2009 4:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi everyone! Just curious if anyone ever heard that the body can only absorb about 1000 mg of Vit C at one time, so if you take more than that you are just wasting it and overworking your kidneys? I can't remember where I heard that, but I think it was a reputable source. Anyway, I think if you want to take more than 1000 mg, it is best to spread out the doses throughout the day. I can't remember the recommended spacing. I always wonder when "too much of a good thing" is reached. It's so hard to know!

Best wishes to all, bablymers mom

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   Posted 8/22/2009 8:36 AM (GMT -6)   
I do not claim to have researched this, but my memory goes back to the very early 80's, when my older brother was into Linus Pauling. (C and cancer) He kept a big bowl of C out on the counter and just helped himself to it all day long. Again, I have not researched Pauling, but back then, he recommended mega, mega doses all day long.

He could now be considered a crack pot for all I know, but maybe his work is something some of you may want to look at?

As for spacing, I generally take 3 X day. (same for beta carotene and garlic) Since taking on a more serious fight (since starting Amox), I am increasing it and taking 1000 mg a couple more times per day, w/ a snack. Just trying to keep the highest level possible in my system. If I start experiencing problems, I'll reconsider.
 
*** Important note:  I am a smoker. So my cigarrettes are destroying my C, probably faster than I can keep up with!
 
 


Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.
What don't these nasty bugs cause? 
CD57= 60, so we're in pretty good shape.
 

Post Edited (+Lyme) : 8/22/2009 8:47:17 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/22/2009 9:45 AM (GMT -6)   
+Lyme said...



*** Important note: I am a smoker. So my cigarrettes are destroying my C, probably faster than I can keep up with!





Hey +lyme - unfortunately, I'm in that same boat!! rolleyes

If I actually make it in to see my doc before the question of 'how much is too much at any one time', I'll be sure to ask him. He is incredibly open w/me!!
Until an answer is found, it would be nice if we could get others on here looking at this!! Besides, as Lymies - we aren't exactly thinking straight all the time shocked
Thank you for all the posts made here!!!!
Trav
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   Posted 8/22/2009 10:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Traveler, if you are a smoker, you definitely need to take as much C as you can handle, along w/ some E, betacarotene and B complex. (water soluble E to keep from OD)

I never studied the E much, but again, back in the early 80's, when all the Drs smoked and none believed in vitamins, I read an article about how Drs who smoke were taking Vite E. That was enough for me!
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.
What don't these nasty bugs cause? 
CD57= 60, so we're in pretty good shape.
 


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   Posted 8/22/2009 10:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey +L,
I've known for awhile that I need C & E. Of course most know about the C, but another

thing E does is it helps with ovarian cysts & "lumpy breasts" (not my words, but the words of an aged friend -in her 80's).

The only ? seems to be how much, before a person starts "flushing money down the drain"? **giggle**

~Trav
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