Can your own body get rid of Lyme...?

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lookingaround
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   Posted 8/19/2009 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if I have it or not, but if I can't get a doctor to treat me, is it at ALL possible that the body can eventually kill off Lyme?

It seems that since it is a bacterial infection, the body might eventually find a way!

IH8Ticks
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   Posted 8/19/2009 9:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Some people show exposure to Lyme, but never have any symptoms. It is possible for some people to beat Lyme on their own, but there are no guarantees.

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   Posted 8/19/2009 11:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi lookingaround,

Welcome to the forum!

I think it is possible but most of the time, Lyme Disease supresses the immune system so intern making it hard for our bodies to fight it off.
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alliebridge
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   Posted 8/20/2009 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
The body cannot eradicate this bacteria.

If your immune system is great, then it will suppress the symptoms for a time.

But I believe, eventually, you'll start to be symptomatic. It's just a matter of time.

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   Posted 8/20/2009 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
No your body cannot get rid of Lyme. Your immune system can keep the bacteria under control but it will always be there. I had several bulls-eyes since 1989. But when I went to a doctor each time was told 2 weeks of amoxicillon and I would be cured!!!! Sure- right! As the years went on I didn't notice any terrible symptoms. I guess my immune system was keeping the bacteria at bay-but it was still there.

Fast forward to 2003 another bulls-eye. All Hell broke loose. I was finally diagnosed with Lyme - had a positive test from Labcor!!! of all places. Took 2 months of antibiotics. After that I continually told my PCP my symptoms never went away and were worse but I was ignored and diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, lupis, arthritis and more. Through the years I saw no less than 32 doctors. 2007 finally found LLMD and was diagnosed with Lyme though no longer tested positive, was positive for Babesia, Hashimoto's and micoplasma and Bartonella.

Needed mass doses of antibiotics, anti-malarials, IV, thyroid meds, suppliments, herbals, etc. Now 2 1/2 years later I am about to get off antibiotics and am feeling so much better. Do I trust the way I feel? NO because it is a delicate balance to keep the immune system healthy enough to keep the bacteria load down.. But I will watch for symptoms, go on herbals and hope for the best.

This bacteria is slow growing, sneaky and can morph to change itself so it can go undected by our immune system. If you have been bitten by a tick, get treatment or the disease will surely show itself one day in a bad way. It is nothing to fool around with.

Blessings
Diagnosed 2003 Lyme, Babesia, Bartonella, Micoplasma,Hashimotos Thyroiditis. Have had since early nineties.

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   Posted 8/22/2009 12:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi lookingaround,
 
I believe depending on what condition your body it in as well as your symptoms (if any), that your body can get rid of lyme by itself if you have a strong immune system, eat healthy, detox, exercise and have a positive attitude.
 
Our bodies are very smart and can and will kill lyme bacteria on it's own if it's healthy enough.
 
Just my opinion,
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing   ~  Pay It Forward!!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


hopingToFindCure
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   Posted 8/22/2009 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Looking around, Anything is possible I think so don't get discouraged! You can beat this -- whatever it is.

take it easy,

Hope for cure
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rdatman
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   Posted 8/23/2009 8:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Cheers.

peacesoul
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   Posted 8/24/2009 6:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu said...
Hi lookingaround,
 
I believe depending on what condition your body it in as well as your symptoms (if any), that your body can get rid of lyme by itself if you have a strong immune system, eat healthy, detox, exercise and have a positive attitude.
 
Our bodies are very smart and can and will kill lyme bacteria on it's own if it's healthy enough.
 
Just my opinion,
Denise

What my smart friend Denise says here x 10000!
 
I've just completed 14 months so far of naturopathic medicine and my Human Anatomy course and stress what Denise says about our bodies being very smart and work well when healthy.
 
 
 

Chasz
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   Posted 9/11/2009 4:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey everyone,

Part of me is also inclined to think that the body can cure itself. I'm trying to keep that in (my)mind.

Also I read somewhere that people with mercury fillings are more likely to develop symptoms. It would be interesting to find out if there are people who don't have mercury fillings and still have symptoms. Because then this assumption can be more easily dismissed. (just a thought :))

Greetings Chasz

Korissa
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   Posted 9/11/2009 6:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Another interesting tidbit is that women get Lyme more often than men, possibly because their testosterone levels are lower than a man's

Often when men who get lyme have their T levels checked, they're too low.

T is important for your immune system to function well.

My prescription came in the mail today, so am hopeful that it will give me a boost since I tested low for DHEA.

Sorry if I might have stolen this info from someone who posted here recently. I'm not sure where I heard it.

One flaw I find in the theory is that then women in general get sick more than women and not sure that's true!

Chasz
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   Posted 9/11/2009 7:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Korissa,

I heard/read somewhere that it's men between the ages of 30 and 40 that are most likely to get it/to develop symptoms. Yet that it's unclear whether these statistics show up because of their outgoing forest lifestyle or perhaps something else. Or even if they "smell" a certain way that attracts ticks.

But hey I might be wrong. All this information is overloading me sometimes. Us laymen and women shouldn't have to do all of this by ourselves :)

mcs37
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   Posted 2/15/2013 10:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I saw my doc for the first time Wednesday.
She took a detailed medical history of myself and all family members.

She believes as Deejavu does....that the body (once it is STRONG enough) can heal itself?

She went on to say that whether it's Lyme, Lupus, Fibro, or another auto immune disease she would treat it the same.

She took so many vials of blood to have tested...not sure if I have any blood left! LOL ;)

She did the T3free and T4free testing...all vitamin defiency testing, and MANY more tests she is having ran.

She is thinking there is a MAJOR link with MTHFR gene? I do not even know what that is!? Have to research (would appreciate ANY info someone has on this)!

She has started me on the Paleo diet...and slow detoxing....

Will have results on the blood labs in about 4 wks and will determine a stricter protocol once we have the results....we did not do the western blot because it is so insufficient?

Her thought is....to slowly build the body back up with a clean diet, supplements, and detoxing at first.

Does this sound like the right path????? I am so very NEW to this whole world...any advice appreciated!!

Good health to ALL!

aphysicalwreck
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   Posted 2/15/2013 10:32 AM (GMT -6)   
mcs37:
It sounds good to me. What is the detoxing she wants you to do? What are your symptoms? If your suspect Lyme I don't see why she would not have sent your blood to Igenix in California. They are the #1 Lyme lab. Your results could, even if not positive, be used as a tool just to see if there were any possible bands. Good luck and let us know what your blood results were. LaLa

mcs37
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   Posted 2/15/2013 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
aphysicalwreck... thanks.

She is wanting me to start the Epsom salt/peroxide baths a little at a time to start the detox.

She has warned me w/the detoxing and diet there may be some serious herxing, so to start slow.

We opted out of the western blot for financial purposes.
I do not have a lot of money, and she wanted all the vitamin testing, the MTHFR testing, thyroid, and others DEFINITELY ran....SO, there were some tests we had to weigh pros/cons with to opt out of them AT THIS TIME so I could afford it. =)

She stated that we could have them ran at a later time if we choose.

She is suspecting MAJOR vitamin defiencies that need fixed, definite thyroid/adrenal problems, and the MTHFR was a biggie for her.....so these things we are having tested at first.

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   Posted 2/16/2013 2:22 AM (GMT -6)   
I have a slightly different take on this issue. I don't think that the presence of the bacterium defines the disease. I think that the biggest issue is the individual's state of health.

I am not bragging, but I am 58 y.o. and have been bitten by ticks countless times over the years. I am an outdoorsman, and have found every opportunity to work, play, hunt, or fish over the years. I have never had a tick-borne illness. The bacteria is found in our meats and other foods. Researchers have stated that they are now finding it difficult to find proper human controls that have not been exposed to the bacterium. If exposure to the bacterium is the major issue- then- we are all doomed! However, I don't think that we are all doomed.

It is definitely possible for some human bodies to fight off the disease. I do not know whether your human body is capable of doing it however. Once the body has proven that it is not capable of fighting off the disease, it is unreasonable to expect that it will be able to do it on its own in the future, unless the reason(s) as to why the person got sick in the first place is first addressed.

If I were you I would research to find a doctor that would be interested in finding out why you got sick, not simply one that wants to blame everything on the presence of some bacteria. Some doctors are ill-prepared and lazy, and some doctors are well trained and zealous to leave no stone unturned when it comes to treating sick people. Lest anyone think that I am implying that all LLMD's are poorly trained and lazy- that is not the case. There are some excellent LLMD's. There just are not enough of them.

If you are looking into the possibility of your body actually doing the majority of the healing, then I would seek the services of a well trained naturpathic doctor or the equivalent, but who is also Lyme literate. If your body's systems are not optimized, it will be next to impossible to do it on its own.

I agree with what Deejavu and peacesoul have said here. The only thing is that some people will need the help of a well trained health care practitioner as well.

Don
We are older parents and Heather is our only child. She became so sick and debilitated that we thought that she was going to die, and everything looked so hopeless and bleak. However, God answered our prayers, and used the healing hands of Dr. J. at the Hansa Center to more than restore the health of our precious daughter. I have a moral obligation to help others that are likewise suffering!

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 2/16/2013 1:25:04 AM (GMT-7)


GhostB.C.
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   Posted 1/5/2016 11:23 AM (GMT -6)   
peacesoul said...
Deejavu said...

Hi lookingaround,


I believe depending on what condition your body it in as well as your symptoms (if any), that your body can get rid of lyme by itself if you have a strong immune system, eat healthy, detox, exercise and have a positive attitude.



Our bodies are very smart and can and will kill lyme bacteria on it's own if it's healthy enough.



Just my opinion,

Denise



What my smart friend Denise says here x 10000!



I've just completed 14 months so far of naturopathic medicine and my Human Anatomy course and stress what Denise says about our bodies being very smart and work well when healthy.







I don't want to discourage anyone here, but honestly, the chances of the body ridding the illness are like 1 percent out of 100, the virus shape shifts so the immune system can't detect the Illness, the virus cells hide and hide and come back after the close is clear, the immune system even harms the body like ms sometimes because its always searching for the illness it can't find. The chances of the system finding and killing the cell are pretty much impossible, because like I said the virus disguises itself, tho I suppose if the system could regonize it and kill it before it does disguise its self or something it could kill it but that is unliky, it requires lots of different treatment to kill the virus in all stages of it's disguise and I think only anti lyme medications can actually kill it. If you have the illness you need treatment.

Post Edited (GhostB.C.) : 1/5/2016 10:38:11 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/5/2016 11:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Heathersdad said...
I have a slightly different take on this issue. I don't think that the presence of the bacterium defines the disease. I think that the biggest issue is the individual's state of health.

I am not bragging, but I am 58 y.o. and have been bitten by ticks countless times over the years. I am an outdoorsman, and have found every opportunity to work, play, hunt, or fish over the years. I have never had a tick-borne illness. The bacteria is found in our meats and other foods. Researchers have stated that they are now finding it difficult to find proper human controls that have not been exposed to the bacterium. If exposure to the bacterium is the major issue- then- we are all doomed! However, I don't think that we are all doomed.

It is definitely possible for some human bodies to fight off the disease. I do not know whether your human body is capable of doing it however. Once the body has proven that it is not capable of fighting off the disease, it is unreasonable to expect that it will be able to do it on its own in the future, unless the reason(s) as to why the person got sick in the first place is first addressed.

If I were you I would research to find a doctor that would be interested in finding out why you got sick, not simply one that wants to blame everything on the presence of some bacteria. Some doctors are ill-prepared and lazy, and some doctors are well trained and zealous to leave no stone unturned when it comes to treating sick people. Lest anyone think that I am implying that all LLMD's are poorly trained and lazy- that is not the case. There are some excellent LLMD's. There just are not enough of them.

If you are looking into the possibility of your body actually doing the majority of the healing, then I would seek the services of a well trained naturpathic doctor or the equivalent, but who is also Lyme literate. If your body's systems are not optimized, it will be next to impossible to do it on its own.

I agree with what Deejavu and peacesoul have said here. The only thing is that some people will need the help of a well trained health care practitioner as well.

Don
Dude I don't think you understand this virus, it doesn't matter how good your system is, you just haven't been affected by the virus so you haven't had a virus infected tick on you. Kids with extremely good immune systems a lot better than yours have got the illness if the tick is infected, if a tick is infected and you put it on you for 2 days and you dont get infected then that would be something, but i doubt that ever has happened even. You spread this like people can fight it off but I honestly don't think thats the case at all really. Doesn't matter how healthy or good your system is the virus can change its shapes, it's nothing to do with how strong your system is, its the fact your system is being tricked because it cant find the illness. But basically what you said is like saying if someone with aids stuck themself with a needle they can stick you with that needle and you won't get hiv, tho I'm sure it is possible you won't get it but the chances of you getting it are like 98 percent, pretty much what is going on for a infected tick landing on you.

Post Edited (GhostB.C.) : 1/5/2016 11:38:11 AM (GMT-7)


sarahm620
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   Posted 1/5/2016 12:02 PM (GMT -6)   
GhostB.C., do you have Lyme? This thread is from 2013. You might want to start a new thread.
Sarah
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GhostB.C.
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   Posted 1/5/2016 12:39 PM (GMT -6)   
sarahm620 said...
GhostB.C., do you have Lyme? This thread is from 2013. You might want to start a new thread.
I assume I do...I was bit when I was 9 and had a bullseye rash I'm now 26, I'm trying to find out if the bullseye rash means 100 percent if you have the illness or not, but upon much research I found thing's out like I stated and quoted, was doing that so people don't go left untreated due to reading some bs from someone. No need for a new topic tho. Thank you.

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   Posted 1/5/2016 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   
A bullseye rash is diagnostic for Lyme disease.
Sarah
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   Posted 1/5/2016 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
While I welcome you GhostB.C. and feel sorry that you had a need to come here, you agreed to abide by forum rules when you joined.

Rule #3 is as follows:

"3. No posts that attack, insult, flame, defame, or abuse others. Respect other members' opinions regarding treatment decisions. Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal choices. We should respect all points of view. Flaming will not be tolerated."


Please refrain from criticizing other members' treatment choices and their opinions. We are committed to supporting each other.

FYI - Lyme and most other tick-borne infections are not viruses.....they are bacteria/parasites.

And, Sarah is right. You were infected with Lyme when you were 9.

That doesn't necessarily mean you'd be sick now - it all depends on the health of your immune system.

If you're not feeling well and suspect Lyme is to blame, we'll do whatever we can to help you find the proper care and provide support throughout your journey.

Only you know how you feel. Please let us know if we can help you.
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   Posted 1/5/2016 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
GhostB.C

Hey DUDE, First of all, I am sorry to hear that you may be sick. I wouldn't wish the illness upon anyone.

Second, You are right- I don't understand this "virus". Borrelia is a Bacterium.

Third, You made a lot of dogmatic statements without any documentation. I have never seen ANY research of any kind in which it was stated that if a person is bitten by an infected tick, that it is certain that the person will get sick unless treated.

I am all in favor of a person receiving some sort of preventative treatment if an engorged tick is found on their body! However I will also say that there are many people walking around who carry the bacteria in their body for years, yet have not been sick, nor have they been treated. My wife has been positive for Borrelia for over 8 years, yet not sick. Are you dogmatic that she WILL definitely get sick? If so, then why have no researchers drawn a similar conclusion? Your statements go way beyond any science!

My advice to you is to not panic and get adequate treatment. If you are not already sick after 17 years, there is no compelling reason that you should consider yourself as having "Lyme Disease". Also you are not necessarily a ticking time bomb. If you are sick, then find a lyme literate physician. There is definitely hope!

According to the Human Microbiome Project healthy people may carry many pathogens. By extrapolation I assume that means that the human body may not be capable of eliminating every last Borrelia bacterium. I don't worry about that though, because that is not the only factor. My daughter has been "cured" from LD, and tests more positive for the Borrellia antibody than she ever has, all the while being healthier than she ever was! Would somebody please explain that to me?

Good luck with whatever your course of action is- dude!!!

Don

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 1/5/2016 2:40:26 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/5/2016 2:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with Heathersdad based on what I've read about Borrelia, the bacterium that was identified in Lyme disease patients. It's not the same as HIV which jumped from primates to humans very recently.

Ticks have been biting us and Borrelia has been infecting us for millennia. I read recently about elderly people living in the Black Forest in Germany where Borrelia is endemic. They would be found to be positive for the bacteria but the most they would get would be some arthritis as they got old. Nothing like the current situation with many people becoming deathly ill from the same infection.

In my case, I was infected when I was 13. I had been raised by hippy parents with a very clean mostly organic diet and no candy or junk food. I wasn't a sickly child and was pretty active. I definitely felt some symptoms right away but in the end it took 20 years for the bacteria to grind me down and eventually be diagnosed with Lyme. During that time I graduated college, worked, etc.

I think the general health of people in western countries is declining and it's becoming increasingly unlikely that the average person's immune system will be able to fully suppress Lyme. I think anyone who knows that Borrelia is in their bodies should probably be cautious in assuming that their immune system will always have the upper hand.
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