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hope_29
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   Posted 8/30/2009 9:07 AM (GMT -6)   
I would like to order a book about bartonella from Schaller, but when I went to Amazon, I found he has 2 books about bartonella and one of them has 2 parts.


1. The Diagnosis, Treatment and Prevention of Bartonella: Atypical Bartonella Treatment Failures and 40 Hypothetical Physical Exam Findings .

2. Bartonella: Diagnosis and Treatment: Part 1 of 2; and Part 2 of 2


I would like to know if these 2 books are the same?
If not, which one is better for treating bartonella?
have lyme since 2004
sterted treatement July 9.2009 (Biaxin/Cipro/Tinidazol)
(sorry about my English, it is not my mother tongue)


nefferdun
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   Posted 8/30/2009 9:20 AM (GMT -6)   
hi hope, I have his first book and it was very disappointing. I would say, don't invest in his books as they are a waste of money. The first books tells you everything that does not work to treat bart - which is every single abx treatment, including levaquin and refampin. The only thing that does work is HH, Cumanda and clove bud oil "in very high doses". He does not define what he means by very high so you have to consult with him about this and he is $500 dollars for half an hour. He has a web site where there are color photographs of bartonella rashes etc. The book is full of very blurry black and white photo's so the web site is much better to identify the skin symptoms. If you want to know if you have bart the book would be somewhat helpful because of the pictures, but to treat bart it is worthless. On his web site he also offered a five minute "free consultation". He was very prompt in responding but told me nothing except my treatment was worthless and if I wanted to know what works I would have to pay to consult with him.

I corresponded with several people who did consult with them and they were all told the same thing. They were told to take 20-25 HH capsules a day for bart. As this is very expensive, Zhang has recently put out HH-2 capsules which is twice the strength of the original version so you only have to take half as much.

So if you decide to buy one of his books, buy the second one(s) and then let us know if it is any better than the first.

hope_29
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   Posted 8/30/2009 4:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Nefferdun,

Thank you so much for the answer.

I wanted to buy his book to know what is the treatment for bartonella but without this information I won't buy it.

Do you know that HH is enough by itself without Cumanda and clove bud oil?

And for how long do we have to use it?

Also, I was looking for HH-2 capsules but I could only find HH on hepapro.com.
Could you tell me where can I buy it?
have lyme since 2004
sterted treatement July 9.2009 (Biaxin/Cipro/Tinidazol)
(sorry about my English, it is not my mother tongue)


nefferdun
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   Posted 8/30/2009 5:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I just bought the HH-2 about two weeks ago from hepapro.com. Call them if you don't see it. I am only taking the HH-2 for bartonella. Perhaps it would be more effective with the cumanda and/or clove but oil but it is pretty expensive so I can't afford all of it. I also take 1500 mg of TOA free Cat's claw and 1000 mg grapefruit seed extract for lyme. I don't know how long you need to take it. I have been using it since late March but not at the full dose S. recommends. I just got up to that amount this last week and I am currently herxing. People have told me that it is the only thing that has helped them. I hope it helps you as well.

KO-LD
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   Posted 8/31/2009 4:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Boy that would be expensive!  That's like a bottle every 2 days at $35 a bottle.  I couldn't afford that. 
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


nefferdun
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   Posted 9/1/2009 8:32 AM (GMT -6)   
It is expensive but not as much as you estimated. There are 45 capsules per bottle and Schaller recommends taking 10-12 a day of the new HH-2, which is $38 a bottle. That comes to about $270 a month. With the other herbs and supplements I take I spend about $400 a month. It is a lot but what is the alternative? The drugs the LLMD gave me were $400 a month. Levaquin for example is $10 a pill. I do not have insurance that covers anything so it is all expensive.

I think Buhner's herbs that he recommends in his book would probably also work. When I took andrographis I could not sleep and had pain in my bladder. That was probably a herx from it killing the bartonella. I didn't realize it and thinking it was a side effect, I quit using it. I think I will add andrographis now and see what happens or maybe rotate it for a while. But it is not cheap either.

KO-LD
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   Posted 9/1/2009 9:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Nefferdun,
It's only about $45/month for the Andrographis at the full dose of 4 4x/day.  It cost about $153 a month for all the herbs, Cat's Claw, Andrographis and Resveratrol.  I had to stop the Resveratrol because I lost my taste.  KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009

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