2 year old son with bullseye rash

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pdessena
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   Posted 9/7/2009 9:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi, my almost-2 year old son has a bullseye shaped rash in his lower leg (lower calf).  It showed up about a week and a half ago, and at first was just a nickle-sized raised red spot with what looked like a bug bite in the middle.  I called his doctor, but she was off for 4 days.  So we waited and put some hydrocortisone on it.  It seemd to be getting better -- turned kind of brownish and wasn't growing at all.  Well, friday night he developed a fever and by saturday morning the rash had doubled in size (bigger than a quarter now), was still perfectly round, but now had a bullseye look to it.  We took him to the ER (labor day weekend - his doctor's office was closed).  The ER doc said it didn't appear to be the "classic" lyme disease rash, but she wasn't sure what it was.  She definitely thinks it started with a bug bite as you can still see the mark in the center.  She gave him an antibiotic ointment and a steroid ointment and said if it didn't improve to take him to his ped.   We have been using the antibiotic ointment, and the rash seems a bit better but is still there and looks even more like a bullseye now.  His fever is gone now, so that may have been unrelated (he had a runny nose too). What do you think -- could this be lyme even if the ointment has helped a little?    I will take him to his ped tomorrow to have it checked, but I'd like to go armed with information.  If she wants to treat for lyme, what would be the proper course of treatment (I've read that some docs don't prescribe the a/b for long enough).  He is so little - I don't want to mess up his life by not doing the righ thing.  Thank you so much.
PS... I posted a picture of the rash on my facebook page so that my family and friends could have a look and let me know what they thought of it.  Here is the link, hopefully you will be able to see it too... http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=795540&l=501a5aa642&id=1148710040 VIEW IMAGE

Post Edited (Penelope Dessena-Gray) : 9/7/2009 9:37:19 AM (GMT-6)


RottenDog
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   Posted 9/7/2009 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Penelope Dessena-Gray.

welcome to the board. and so sorry your lil one is going thru this.

its great your took pics of it. make sure you take them into your DR when you go. and its best if you get 6 weeks abx for him. you sound like your doing your homework on this and thats great.

the more you know the better off he will be. if its possible see if you have a DR who knows and understands lyme in you area. as most do not understand it.

you can get a ton of info from the thread at the top of the page called newbies. read up in it and it should help you learn a lot. and i believe it has some links you need to go over.

i wish all the best for you and the lil one :)
   RD
 
still looking for answers.
 
Remember that advice is free, its your choice what you do with it.  :)


+Lyme
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   Posted 9/7/2009 2:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh, Penny, that is one scary looking rash! It's a good thing you got good photos of it!

Let's rely on others' opinions as well, but to me, it looks like nothing BUT a bull's eye!

I might defer to a Dr who sees this in person, but I'd be really careful, because a bull's eye always means lyme. ie; nothing else causes a bull's eye rash. That is one certain piece of information with which you can arm yourself at the ped.

Considering the circumstances -- that he developed this AND became ill -- is really serious. The ER really should have started him on abx. I don't know enough about abx ointment.

PLEASE keep us posted on this! And please, if he starts getting sick again, take him back to the ER. Because if he has Lyme, he could very well have one or more of the co-infections and a couple of them are extremely dangerous in the acute phase.

God bless you and your family. I will pray that he gets the proper attention and treatment!
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.
What don't these nasty bugs cause? 
CD57= 60, so we're in pretty good shape.
 


pdessena
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   Posted 9/7/2009 7:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for your replies. I will take him to the ped first thing in the morning and let you know how we make out.

Razzle
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   Posted 9/7/2009 7:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Topical treatment is not adequate to treat Lyme Disease - best thing is to see a Lyme-Literate MD for proper diagnosis and treatment.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, intermittant pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Ceftazidime, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (used topically), probiotics, homeopathy.


Traveler
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   Posted 9/7/2009 9:47 PM (GMT -6)   
This is copied from the thread "The basics - Newbies please read"

kandinsky said...
Links to images of lyme rashes and those caused by other tick borne disease:

http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/PhotoAlbum_Rash.html

http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/PhotoAlbum_RashBart.html

http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/PhotoAlbum_RashOther.html

If you ever develop a rash, it is a good idea to take a picture of it and place something like a coin or ruler in the photo for size.

- Traveler
"Conditions": Lyme Disease (neuro, gastro, bone, brain, muscle, hearing involved), STARI, RMSF, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Lyme Arthritis, Neuro LD, FM, Chronic/acute EBV, IBS-C, Diverticulosis (& "itis") & now Lyme arthritis (?).


pdessena
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   Posted 9/8/2009 11:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I have a 2:30 appt to take my son to his pediatrician, but now the rash has faded quite a bit!  I will take the picture so she can see what it looked like at its worst, but do you think it could still be lyme if it has faded with the use of the topical antibiotic?  He had it nearly 2 weeks before it faded.  as for size, it never got bigger than a quarter -- is that significant?  would it be bigger if it was lyme, or isn't there any set "rules" for how the rash behaves.

Really Lyme
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   Posted 9/8/2009 1:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Good Luck with your DR today. I am not a Dr but it looks like a perfect bulls eye rash to me. My Mother just had one and her first Dr also gave her steroid cream. Then she got a fever and went to another Dr for antibiotics. I never went to the Dr with my rash I thought it was a spider bite and never took pictures I did not think Oregon really had Lyme. Oh what I have learned since mine is now Nuerological and more like MS than Lyme I have been fighting it on and off for 5 years.
 
Please see a Lyme friendly and knowledgeble Dr I know its expensive but worth it. He is lucky to have you as Mom you are already fighting for him by getting all the knowledge possible.
Finding Peace In This Crazy World !
 
Beth
 
FIRST POSITIVE LYME TEST IN NOVEMBER OF 2004
DX- WITH MS  APRIL OF 2005
DX- WITH LYME JULY OF 2006
FINALLY TREATED FOR LYME JANUARY 2007


pdessena
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   Posted 9/8/2009 4:22 PM (GMT -6)   
So the ped says its definitely lyme, but she only put him on 2 weeks of amoxicyllin. Is that long enough?

+Lyme
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   Posted 9/8/2009 8:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Great start, pdessena, but nope, that is not enough.


Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.
What don't these nasty bugs cause? 
CD57= 60, so we're in pretty good shape.
 


Traveler
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   Posted 9/9/2009 10:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree with +Lyme on this!!
Also - my 2 cents worth -I don't believe a topical cream of any sort will help with LD.

My suggestion is that you read, read, read on LD & the co's & insist that your son gets the treatment he needs to irradicate (sp?) this insidious disease!! Then push as hard as you can to get it!

My Mother & I both believe a lot of my health issues could have been avoided for me had anyone known that I had a TBI back when I was 5 yrs old.

The longer a TBI is in a persons' body, the harder it is to get rid of it - and the worst part of it - the disease marches forward to infect every bodily system it can while it goes unchecked or under-treated.

My "war" cry:
We must be our own health care advocates!!!

I wish you & your son the best...
~Trav
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"Conditions": Lyme Disease (neuro, gastro, bone, brain, muscle, hearing involved), STARI, RMSF, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Lyme Arthritis, Neuro LD, FM, Chronic/acute EBV, IBS-C, Diverticulosis (& "itis") & now Lyme arthritis (?).


pdessena
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   Posted 9/9/2009 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Traveler -- I am so sorry you have had this for so long. I will have to do some research.

Traveler
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   Posted 9/9/2009 11:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Unfortunately, I am not alone in my situation. It's really rough to grow up that way.

Have you looked into the newest (I think) LD book? "13 Lyme Literate Health Care Practitioners Share Treatment Strategies"?

This is a book that I am hoping will make it possible for anyone living anywhere to get good, reliable tx - no matter how much a person knows or understands all there is to know about TBI's.

Finances are tight for us right now, but we are hoping to buy this book asap - so that I can get tx.
~Just a thought.
I wish you the best on getting good tx for your son & getting back to a life that doesn't circle around LD!!!
May you find peace and health on the same road.
~Trav
- Traveler
"Conditions": Lyme Disease (neuro, gastro, bone, brain, muscle, hearing involved), STARI, RMSF, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Lyme Arthritis, Neuro LD, FM, Chronic/acute EBV, IBS-C, Diverticulosis (& "itis") & now Lyme arthritis (?).


pdessena
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   Posted 9/9/2009 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
thank you. best of luck to you!
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