bartonella, brain fog

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skagey guy
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   Posted 10/5/2009 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been fighting bartonella for a long time. First got bitten by tick at about age 5. I've undergone almost two years of IV antibiotics after diagnosis about 15 years after being infected. I stopped antibiotics in Jan. 2008. I'm trying Zhang's allicin (garlic) and will be adding HH capsules. I herx badly. I herx so badly that I even had to titrate up the garlic over about a 12 week period. Is there anyone out there that has tried Zhang's garlic with the HH? Also has anyone read Shallar's new books an bartonella? Please advise me if you know of any new protocol that is working? Thanks

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   Posted 10/5/2009 4:28 PM (GMT -6)   
HI Skagey guy!!
I don't suppose I've welcomed you before (like I could remember that!) - so Welcome!!!! I'm sure you will feel comfortable here.
I haven't done Zhangs (or know much of anything about it), but from what I have read, it doesn't seem to matter which protocol a person goes with, detoxing is incredibly important.

Of course there is a ton of things that are important to do if one wants to eradicate TBI's from their systems, but that was something I actually could remember!!!

I'm sure other members with a lot more knowledge will be able to help you better.
It's been said:LD patients can be as ill as people w/ congest. heart failure & in as much pain as post-op patients.
- Traveler
"Conditions": Lyme Disease, STARI, RMSF, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Neuro LD, FM, Chronic/acute EBV, IBS-C, Diverticulosis (& "itis") & now Lyme arthritis (?).


nefferdun
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   Posted 10/6/2009 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi skagy guy, I am sorry you have been sick for so long and hope you can get it under control soon. I am using HH-2 and have Schaller's book. The book is informative for diagnosing bartonella as it has some fuzzy black and white photos of rashes etc that might help you identify it on your skin - but he has a web site with many of the same pictures in color and that is free.
There is nothing in the book saying how much of the HH to take but Schaller recommends that his patients (people that pay him $500 for a half hour consultation) take 20-25 capsules a day. Zhang is now making another version of the HH which is twice as strong called HH-2. I am taking 9 of those a day. I suggest you start slowly and work up as there can be some serious herxing. Schaller also says cumanda and clove bud oil are good for treating bartonella. He does not tell you in the book how much but if it is anything like the HH capsules you would need to take 6-7 times the recommended dose, which he describes as "extremely low". According to him, nothing else works.

skagey guy
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   Posted 10/7/2009 5:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Traveler for your welcome and greeting. I am glad to find this forum group.

Thanks nefferdun for your very helpful information concerning how much HH or HH-2 to take. It is just like Schaller to sell his books for an exorbitant amount and then not even give recommended dosages. I got our local library to order Schaller's book. I felt the black and white pictures were of very poor quality but I have seen the color pictures which are very helpful and much better resolution. The striation pictures could have been mine...so I know what I have! A friend of mine went to Florida to see Schaller and at that time he was only charging 700 dollars/hr. ( Actually, he was charging 900 dollars an hour but when she made her appointment, his charge was 700 dollars, so that is what she paid. He's all heart! Ha!) Thanks for the specifics. I am starting on the HH this week and will titrate up Slowly. Will also check into the cumanda and clove bud oil.

nefferdun
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   Posted 10/7/2009 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I take them divided into four doses throughout the day. When you are ready to move up to two HH 3 times a day, buy the HH-2 to save money. Be sure you eat something AFTER you take the capsules or it may burp up into your mouth and the taste is wretched - like dead fish! If the HH is a cure it is going to take a very long time.
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