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JennInPA
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   Posted 11/1/2009 7:38 AM (GMT -6)   
So most of my "half moons" on my fingernails are gone!! Thanks Lyme, why don't you take everything!!! Apparently it's a vit. B deficiency? I googled it and there was a person who took pictures before taking Vitamins and then after, showing the half moons starting to come back.

interesting huh?

Side note: I used to be able to spell without thinking about it and now i have to constantly edit! GRR!!

Razzle
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   Posted 11/1/2009 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
My understanding is that it is specifically a Vitamin B12 deficiency that causes loss of fingernail moons...I only have moons on my thumbs, not on my fingers, and 10 years ago, I was diagnosed with a severe vitamin B12 deficiency (from malabsorption & poor diet)...I guess I still haven't gotten enough B12 into my tissues despite taking shots or getting B12 via IV nutrition since diagnosis...

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Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
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JennInPA
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   Posted 11/1/2009 7:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Razzle. I do take Super B Complex but maybe it's not enough of 12 in it.

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   Posted 11/1/2009 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh boy!!! Am I ever glad I read this post!! (Oh gosh!! how embarrassing!) I got it backwards!!

Thanks for talking about this Ladies!!!
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KO-LD
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   Posted 11/2/2009 2:36 PM (GMT -6)   
I remember reading something a long time ago about this, but I don't remember what they said it was from.  I have been taking b12 for a while now and just looked at my fingers.  Half of my moons are back, they were gone before, but I didn't know why.  KO
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mother natures child
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   Posted 11/2/2009 4:48 PM (GMT -6)   
 I have them on my thumbs only. No doctor told me they ment anything!

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   Posted 11/2/2009 5:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Thyroid can also cause this issue
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Razzle
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   Posted 11/2/2009 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
JennInPA,

There is not enough B12 in most B Complex supplements to correct a deficiency (amount needs to be 1000mcg or greater daily for a while, and you may need to find a different form other than cyanocobolamin); also, if a complex set of variables aren't just right, the B12 won't be able to cross from the gastrointestinal tract into the bloodstream where it can be processed by the liver. And there are other issues in the liver itself that may further cause problems with conversion, utilization, and/or storage of B12.

So try a high potency B12 supplement - sublingual ones are usually better than pills that are swallowed, has to do with how well the mucus membrane in the mouth can absorb the B12 vs. once it is further down in the gut.

Good luck,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Ceftazidime, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (used topically), probiotics, Milk Thistle, Ailanthus, homeopathy.


JennInPA
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   Posted 11/2/2009 8:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Razzle, that's awesome information!

nefferdun
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   Posted 11/3/2009 4:12 PM (GMT -6)   
I have often wondered about this myself. When I was really sick I had no moons at all. Now I have them on my thumbs and sort of on my pointing finger but none of my other fingers. I figured it tells me how sick I still am and if they ever come back I will be well. I have read it can be related to low magnesium, low thyroid and now Low B 12! Thanks guys.

Willowrose
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   Posted 11/3/2009 9:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm missing the moons, and my nails are very ridged and brittle. Tests came back that I'm not low in B12 and don't have thyroid problems. In fact testing showed only that I'm low in D and cortisol. It's interesting to read this thread and to see what others have been told.

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blessings723
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   Posted 11/4/2009 2:56 AM (GMT -6)   
what is cortisol? oh and the D thing makes sense b/c D helps the absorbtion of calcium and i think magnesium (not sure on the last one though) but those of us with popping in joints and bones would very likely be low on D and calcium... do you get bone popping rose?
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Razzle
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   Posted 11/4/2009 3:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Rose,

If your B12 was in the low end of the normal range, you may still be deficient, especially in the tissues. Ideally, one's B12 level should be in the mid to upper end of the normal range for B12 for optimum health.

Good luck,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Ceftazidime, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (used topically), probiotics, Milk Thistle, Ailanthus, homeopathy.


JennInPA
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   Posted 11/4/2009 6:36 AM (GMT -6)   
What's interesting is if you google it you will find multiple answers. Vit D, Vit B12, Vit A, so I'm not sure which to believe. Although I myself am sure I need B12, but I do know I'm deficient in D, but have been taking that supplement for quite sometime. Although I recently bumped it up.

There is alot on Chinese Medicine which I find interesting. I found this part pretty interesting:

The Thumb: Reflects what is going on in the brain, excretory system and in the reproductive organs.
Index Finger: Reflects what is going on in liver, gall bladder or nervous system.
Middle Finger: Reflects what is going on in the heart and circulation.
Ring Fingers: Reflects what is going on in the reproductive organs and the hormonal system.
And the Little Finger: Reflects what is going on in the digestive system.


The Lunulae (Half Moons): A healthy person should be able to see 8 lunulae on their fingernails, 4 on each hand. They should not be too large or too small. Absence of one or more lunulae, or smaller lunulae than normal, signal a deficiency in cellular oxygen levels.

This type of deficiency leads to symptoms such as cold hands, cold feet, and sometimes a general numbness in certain parts of the body. If there are less than 8 lunulae on all the fingernails, then there is a problem with poor circulation. A person who is lacking lunulae on between 3 and 7 fingernails often has symptoms of fatigue and has low energy, is weak spirited.

This condition also shows poor circulation, cold hands and feet, numbness, and memory loss. A person who has 2 large lunulae on the pinkies has a very overworked heart and is more prone to suffer from high blood pressure and heart disease than a healthy person. A person who has no lunulae at all often suffers from anemia, depression and low blood pressure. If the tops of the nails are wide while the bottoms of the nails are much narrower, this could be indicative of the possibility of stroke and other cardiovascular problems. Stroke is also possible if the lunulae are oversized and quite large. If there are less than 8 lunulae on all the fingernails, then there is a problem with poor circulation.

Here's the site if interested... http://www.moondragon.org/health/disorders/nails.html

Razzle
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   Posted 11/4/2009 8:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Interesting... I also wonder if Lyme itself can disturb the half-moons on the fingernails... And also I wonder if fatty acid deficiency might also cause the loss of the moons... I didn't fully lose all of mine (except my thumbs) until I was on TPN/unable to eat anything. I never did tolerate the lipids in the IV, so had to go without them for almost a year...I got a lot of fatty acid deficiency symptoms during that time and am only just starting to get out of that situation since being able to eat some things since July this year. I'm still very deficient in Vitamin D in spite of getting it daily in my IV, so may have to talk with my doctor about how to supplement (I'm allergic to fish & soy, so finding a suitable oral D3 supplement is a challenge)...

Thanks for this interesting discussion!
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Ceftazidime, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (used topically), probiotics, Milk Thistle, Ailanthus, homeopathy.


nefferdun
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   Posted 11/4/2009 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Fingernails are interesting road maps to observe your health. Brittle nails, ridges, dents, flecks of white, pale color, and bulbous (rounded up) nails point to something being wrong. Rounded up nails are seen in people with serious lung problems - long term smokers have these kind of nails. When nails are wide at the bottom with prominent moons, those people are often strong and healthy.

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   Posted 11/4/2009 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
This is fascinating. Finding, cortisol is an adrenal hormone. It's often referred to as the stress hormone and people with too much of it gain weight. A few years back I remember seeing a lot of commercials for a weight loss product that reduced cortisol levels. People with really low cortisol have Addison's disease. My levels are better than that, but they are borderline low. That's referred to as adrenal fateague in the popular vernacular, though I do not think it is a medical term. The symptoms I have because of this deficiency are low blood pressure, fateague, poor stress response, and difficulty maintaining a healthy body weight.

I'm definitely doing some fingernail research. I keep showing my nails to my LLMD, but there's only so much time during an appointment and we always seem to have more important things to discuss. If I weren't on antibiotics I could sit in the sun for 10 minutes a day - that's what my gp recommends in addition to D supplements. I have a friend who is taking prescripition D, 20,000 IU a day. I'm taking 2,000 of D3 ( up from 1,000 pre test).

Razzle, thanks for the info. I'll look into that.

Rose
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Willowrose
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   Posted 11/4/2009 7:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh yeah, Finding, I definitely have popping. Seems like most every joint in my body pops. No pain though.

Rose
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JennInPA
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   Posted 11/4/2009 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Since I have started treatment for LD, my nails have started to curl down. It's really weird. i have to keep filing them all the way down cause it's freaky looking. I read on that site that it has to do with liver. Fascinating huh?

Willowrose
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   Posted 11/4/2009 8:09 PM (GMT -6)   
How come our doctors don't pay more attention to our fingernails? They (the fingernails) seem to be quite expressive.

Rose
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   Posted 2/2/2013 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Make sure the B-12 you are taking is METHYLCOBALAMIN and not cyanocobalamin (as in cyanide!)

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   Posted 2/3/2013 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
OMG....I just read this thread and I was freaking out this morning because I noticed my moons were coming back on 4 of my fingers and I thought they were major vitamin deficiencies....I must have not had moons in a very long time to freak out when they are coming back!!!! Doh!

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   Posted 2/3/2013 11:07 PM (GMT -6)   
great post!!

I also have moons only on thumb and first finger.

Thought is was due to poor circulation..which was mentioned above.

glad to know about b12 possibility.

Very glad some people's moons are coming back!!
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   Posted 2/4/2013 1:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey all,

Just a little something extra... A lot of lyme patients can't absorb Vitamin b12. We need injections. My doctor says that if you have the symptoms of a Vitamin b12 deficiency, that means you have been deficient for years!

I have to take methly b12 in injection form. I took one a day for 7 days and now i take one shot every 5 days. The difference is incredible. It has been one of the best things I have done for myself since I began treatment..
Undiagnosed lyme, bartonella, anaplasmosis, babs for 25 yrs with a 16 year old that I passed lyme and coninfections to daughter through pregnancy. We both began treatment 1/6/11. Still treating. Daughter will be a success story hopefully in 2013!

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   Posted 2/4/2013 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Some need to have the injections as you said, Sam, but others just need to have the right type of B-12. Most all oral supplements are Cyanocobalamin, which has to be converted first to Methylcobalamin in order for the body to absorb it. Lots of us have temporarily lost the ability to covert the Cyano type of B-12.

Health food stores usually carry the oral Methyl -type of B-12.

I started out using the IM shots once a week, but it wasn't long before I could start using the oral Methyl -type of B12. And it's not as expensive.
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