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mother natures child
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   Posted 11/17/2009 12:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Its 1am and Im not even tired! Ideas anyone? I need something to knock my*** out!
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Willowrose
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   Posted 11/17/2009 12:24 AM (GMT -6)   
No ideas here - just a sympathetic voice sharing your frustration with insomnia. Here on the West coast it's only 10:21, but I have no hint of drowsiness either. I'm on my way to take some Theraflu sinus in an attempt to decongest myself and, with any luck, it will make me sleepy too. Wishing you sweet dreams.

Rose
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Razzle
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   Posted 11/17/2009 3:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Join the party...its 1am here and I'm nowhere close to being able to sleep...
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Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
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JennInPA
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   Posted 11/17/2009 6:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Have you tried Valerian Root? It's an herb that I know a few people who have taken it and it works wonders for sleep. I read that Valerian Root is the herbal equivalent of Valium.

Also my mom has trouble sleeping and her holistic Doctor said that means she is lacking Calcium & Magnesium, she said since taking the supplements it has helped her alot.

She also drinks Sleepy Time Tea. When my little sister was very young she would bounce off the walls at night (ADHD, undiagnosed) and my mom would give her the tea and it would help her calm down and go to sleep.

Just some thoughts!
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georgiagirl
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   Posted 11/17/2009 7:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Last night I took a xanax and two teaspoons of childrens benadryl. That worked for me.

PSR1
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   Posted 11/17/2009 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Valerian root works great, and so does Neurontin for me (eases the nerve pain & makes me a bit sleepy

KO-LD
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   Posted 11/17/2009 2:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's some things that Stephen Buhner recommends for insomnia:
Motherwort 50/50 1/2 oz tinture
Betony
Ashwaghanda for sleep and immune boost.
I got this from listening to a video I had posted about earlier, I didn't get the recommended amount for the Betony, or Ashwaghanda.  You could try listening to the video it's very informative, but you have to register to listen to it  It's on PlanetThrive.
KO
01 Tingling in fingers/toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
07 Summer pos. WB, diag with LD, neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


mother natures child
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   Posted 11/17/2009 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Valerian root? Is this really a root? Where to get it?
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JennInPA
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   Posted 11/17/2009 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Valerian Root comes in a capsule, you can get it at most vitamin or whole food stores. And yes it's' a root, or prepared from the root of the plant Valerian.

Benefits of Valerian Root

* Valerian root decreases sleep latency (the length of time it takes to get to sleep) and the number of nighttime awakenings
* Valerian root improves overall sleep quality
* Valerian root may improve well-being by decreasing nervousness and anxiety
* Valerian root does not cause side effects that are common with sedative drugs, including addiction and morning "hangovers"

Primary Uses of Valerian:

* Valerian root reduces insomnia
* Valerian root reduces mild anxiety or restlessness
* Valerian root reduces muscle spasms and cramping (traditional)
* Valerian root reduces menstrual cramps (traditional)
* Valerian root reduces intestinal cramping/colic (traditional)
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mother natures child
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   Posted 11/17/2009 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
How much to take for heavy duty insomnia?
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Cmacaran
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   Posted 11/17/2009 3:42 PM (GMT -6)   
3 mg Melatonin puts me to sleep 45 mins later. It is available in vitamin stores.

mother natures child
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   Posted 11/17/2009 4:14 PM (GMT -6)   
melatonin and valarian then. my tummy is sensitive because already taking doxycycline and benicar. probably not helping that I have a poor appitite.
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nefferdun
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   Posted 11/17/2009 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
The best thing I have used is corydallis root. You can buy it from Zhang, called Herbsom, or order it from another company cheaper. It is the amazing, believe me! I have had insomnia since the age of 12 and everything else fails after awhile - valerian, L trytophan, melatonin, scull cap, hopps, . . . .
I did not know that ashwaganda helps with sleep. I am taking rifampin and having really bad insomnia - have to dose twice a night, so maybe I will try that too.

JennInPA
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   Posted 11/17/2009 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
My friend was told to take Ashwaganda for his Hyperthyroidism.
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mother natures child
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   Posted 11/17/2009 9:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Lots of choices. That is what makes this whole thing so confusing.
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+Lyme
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   Posted 11/17/2009 10:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, as for me, the insomnia was way too severe to be aided by Valarian root, melatonin, benedryl, or other natural stuff. Yes, sometimes they caused a 'drowsiness', but not enough to make me sleep. I believe that they can help, as long as your insomnia is not deep rooted in something somewhere.

I am not suggesting what you should take, but am stating this so that you will know you are not the only one w/ this problem. Your Dr really needs to help you, along w/ all the natural supplements.

I take 100 mg amiltryptiline (sp!?) and at least 1.5 mg xanax at bedtime. I have to knock myself out. And I will still wake up several times in the nite. The good part is, I can get up and go to the RR and get back in bed and go right back to sleep. Without these drugs, I would be up all nite. Oneday I hope to get this all figured out and not have to be such a drugee! Xanax is very addictive, but at least not a narcotic.

Part of this, I believe is Lyme, and part of it is 'me'.
 
One more thing:  I am hypoglycemic and if I do not eat a snack (and have a little milk) at bedtime, I will not sleep. That simple. The things that have worked best for me, both today and in the past, are : Honey Bunches of Oats (not sugar free , but, oh well...) w/ non fat, no sugar added, yogurt mixed in.  Cereal and milk have always made me drowsy at nite. And although I still need drugs to sleep, I know I will not sleep w/ o and bedtime snack like this.
 
I sincerely hope that there is something in here that helps you!


Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
 
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.

Post Edited (+Lyme) : 11/17/2009 9:24:27 PM (GMT-7)


mother natures child
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   Posted 11/17/2009 10:56 PM (GMT -6)   
+lyme,
interesting what you said about hypoglycemia. I have not been eating at all. Maybe a bite or 2 so i can take my meds. I have zero appitite and since Im a little chubby I thought Id go with it.
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mother natures child
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   Posted 11/17/2009 10:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry! I have a tremor. sad
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nefferdun
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   Posted 11/18/2009 8:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I would give the corydallis root a shot before resorting to drugs. I just ordered 90 capsules last night for about $17 plus 5 for shipping. I cannot get a full eight hours every night but I am satisfied with seven right now as I am treating bart with rifampin and expect the insomnia to worsen for awhile. Please look up this herb onine as it is very beneficial for other things as well such as pain control and increasing blood circulation. It has no side effects, is not addictive and so far as not lost it's effect. The other herbs mentioned wear out after a short time.
I develop a resistance to them requiring more and more until they don't work any more. They tend to bother my stomach, give me headaches and make my eyes swell. But the drugs, like Ambien and Sonata, are the worst thing as they are highly addictive and cause emotional problems as they interfere with REM sleep.

mother natures child
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   Posted 11/18/2009 12:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Nefferdun
I will look up corydallis. That Ambien is bad stuff. I took one pill and was walking around taking to people(according to them) total amnesia.
What else might I have done? This guy I know woke up sitting in front of his refrigerator finger painting it in mayonaise and mustard!
Strange stuff!
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nefferdun
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   Posted 11/18/2009 1:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I bought mine from herbal extracts plus - think the site is

herbalextractsplus.com

Boy, I need it. I am going to add in the ashwaganda as rifampin and zithro are doing a number on my bart.
That is wild about the ambien. I got very irritable. Had an "oh yeah" moment with my horse when he shied at a bird, wheeled him around in anger and bucked me off. I also lost my temper with one of my dogs, did not touch him but was so angry that he snarled at me! That was five years ago and nothing like that has happened since. They must have sensed I was not right which I wasn't. I am normally a very kind easy going person.

mother natures child
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   Posted 11/18/2009 1:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Ambien, a sedative hypnotic taken for insomnia can cause amnesia, sleep walking and driving, abnormal behavior, hallucinations and agitation according to a report by the US food and drug administration.
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CajunGrl
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   Posted 11/18/2009 2:02 PM (GMT -6)   
I take a supplement called Muscle Calm. It has valerian root and skull cap in it and really helps my insomnia. It also helps when I'm anxious and it calms me down when I'm stressed. You cannot take this one with anti-depressants because it works in the brain like an anti-depressant but only lasts about five hours.
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+Lyme
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   Posted 11/19/2009 9:26 AM (GMT -6)   
MotherNature's child -- sorry, I am behind here. You should definitely try something to eat at bedtime. A little bowl of cereal and milk, and/or yogurt will not cause you to gain weight as long as the rest of your diet is OK. some people claim to get nightmares from this. Again, even during 'healthy' periods, if I do not eat at bedtime, I will not sleep. And if I do, it will be 2 hours and I'll wake up and never go back to sleep.
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
 
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.


mother natures child
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   Posted 11/19/2009 7:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I will try yogurt tonight.
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