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GWB
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   Posted 1/13/2010 12:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, as I mentioned a few days ago I would be going to a clinic in KS for lyme treatment. I also mentioned that I would be starting a thread sharing some of my experiences at the clinic while I'm here this week. So here I begin...

I'm pretty tired tonight so I will just give you a brief summary of my first two days here and then tomorrow try to add a few more details. My wife is helping me to write some of this and will probably be adding more details about it on her own posts.

I had all intentions of posting from Day 1 of my treatment at the clinic; but, by the end of the first day my mind was like--where do I even begin? How can I even articulate my experience? After "digesting" my experience from Day 1 and now Day 2, I believe I can more adequately express what has gone on so far.

First of all, you need to know that this clinic is not a Lyme Disease clinic only. Even though Dr. J has written a book on Lyme disease, and has a protocol for Lyme Disease, he treats people for a myriad of diseases, Lyme Disease just happens to be one.

Dr. J is not the only doctor in the clinic that treats patients. There are two other doctors in his clinic. I am being treated by both Dr. J and the other male doctor. Of course, they also have a staff of four or more people who assist in the various treatments that I'm having.

It has been an eye-opening experience being here because of 1) "philosophy" (for lack of a better word). I am still "digesting" the unique 2) testing procedures, 3) the findings (especially in light of what I already know about my physical issues), as well as the 4) treatments. I will do my best to explain these four areas and my day to day experience.

Day 1 - Upon arriving to the clinic I was given two tests (different than any I have ever had and I've had lots). I was skeptical before I even arrived.

I am a very curious person and asked lots of questions and continue to do so. Everyone is very friendly, eager to answer my questions, eager to help in any way they can--whether it be the receptionist at the front desk, the people doing the testing or the person giving the treatments. Everyone is positive. The atmosphere is peaceful.

The first test they gave me is called Computerized Regulation Thermography (CRT). The other BioResonance Scanning (BRS). You can go online and read about both of them.

After having the CRT (taking body temperature) explained to me and having it done on me and getting the results explained to me it made sense. The BRS does not make sense to me. It's similar to ART, yet different. Yet, surprising, the results of the BRS were "right on" because so much of what the doctor was saying was "wrong" with my body was stuff that he didn't know about but I did.

It amazes me and my mind still does not fully comprehend it. It I guess for now that is all I can say other than--as the time goes by "the proof will be in the pudding" as the saying goes. (In the next few days, I will share examples of the BRS being "right on" but for now I want to move on.)

I came to the Clinic because of good reports I have read from other Lyme patients (some on Lyme boards other via PM and emails). I received both positive and negative feedback, but mostly positive. One person told me she purchased Dr. J's book, followed the protocol and was symptom free in 8 months. This person did not even go to the Center.

I have steadily gone down hill, and in the last six months, down hill drastically as some of you know. It's the lowest I've ever been with this disease, not only physically, but mentally and emotionally as well.

A year ago I probably would not have gone to a clinic like this, but after getting feedback from several people and doing an internet search, I decided, as sick as I am, what do I have to lose? It's a gamble being here, it's very expensive and there's no guarantee that Dr. J's protocol will get me well.

But nothing I've done up to this point has gotten me well. I cannot tolerate abx anymore, and the fact that this clinic uses a holistic approach to treatment is what appealed to me. I was actually looking into three herbal protocols, Zhang, Buhner and Cowden.

Someone (I believe on this forum) asked me if I had considered Dr. J's protocol. I hadn't even heard of it until this person mentioned it. That's how I became interested in it and what prompted me to investigate it.

Anyway, The first half of the day was spent doing the CRT and BRS testing. The CRT was done by a clinician. The first day I was seen Dr. J's "team" doctor. He did the BRS testing. He then shared the results of both the CRT and the BRS. In the mean time, he continued with the BRS testing narrowing down the top 5 areas of greatest concern for my body. Then he mixed several homeopathic tinctures plus gave me two dietary supplements. I started them, right then and there in his office.

The doctor used the BRS testing on all of my supplements, vitamins, etc. that I've been taking, and said the results showed only one of those things was even helping me, and to continue with that one. I had two full bags of stuff--hundreds of dollars of vitamins and supplements! (Again, this part of the BRS testing--on my stuff--I'll comment on after I "digest" it more.)

I'm very tired and my mind is going out on me, but let me just say this, the past couple of days I have been feeling a little bit better and have had a little bit more energy than usual. However, I have days like this on occasion, so whether or not I've just had a couple of good days or the treatment is helping me, I cannot honestly say. Time will tell.

I look forward to sharing with you tomorrow about the different treatments I had. One was ion-cleanse foot detoxing--amazing the gunk that came out of me! The other treatment was lymph drainage therapy mixed with rife and a couple of other things that I can't remember right now.

The other was called Lux electronic gem treatment. They put an infrared mat on it for me to lay on. Tomorrow will be some additional treatments and the doctor will focus on my scars from surgery I had in 1994. He believes that some of my abdominal pain is coming from that, so that will be interesting to see how the treatment helps--or not???

Sorry this is so long and maybe not as clear or detailed as you would have liked. My mind is fried right now and I need to get some rest. Will post some more tomorrow and will be glad to answer any questions you have about my treatment tomorrow as well.

For now I say goodnight and look forward to sharing more with you tomorrow.

Gary

P.S. For those of you who believe in prayer--please keep me in your prayers. Thanks!

Post Edited (GWB) : 1/28/2010 6:26:58 AM (GMT-7)


CajunGrl
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   Posted 1/13/2010 1:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Gary,

Thank you so much for updating all of us. I know it's still very early into treatment and you are still questioning things, but that is normal. So, far, from what you have written, I like what I'm hearing. I like that they are doing things naturally. Please continue to keep us updated as I am VERY interested in this.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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   Posted 1/13/2010 3:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Interesting that they do the thermography - that is how I was diagnosed with Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (aka Complex Regional Pain Syndrome) back in 1999. The tech doing the test mentioned that it was useful for diagnosing many other conditions as well.

I think if I do travel for treatment, this is the clinic I will probably go to, but don't have the funds for it at this time. Thanks for sharing your experience - I hope and pray it is the key to your recovery.
-Razzle
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   Posted 1/13/2010 9:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for all of the comments, well wishes and prayers. No time to answer questions because my first treatment starts in 30 minutes and I'm not even dressed yet! : )

I got to thinking about this and wanted to add another important point about Dr. J and his associate doctors. None of them are MD's. They are all DC's but have specialized training similar (but differently) to those who treat as Dr. K does using ART, muscle testing, etc.

Here's a little bio on Dr. J. from his website:

"Dr. J BS, DC, is a published author and is nationally recognized as a leader in Biological Medicine and the treatment of chronic illness. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree in Nutrition with honors, he received his doctorate at Cleveland Chiropractic College-KC.

Post Graduate studies have taken him far and wide, studying natural and anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the world-renowned Paracelsus Klinic of Switzerland, with later studies providing certification in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy.

Dr. J is also the developer of the diagnostic and treatment technique Bio-Resonance Scanning™ and a whole new concept in medicine called Circuit Healing™.

Dr. J has personally developed over 30 novel natural medicines to date. As past president of the American Medical Academy of Thermodiagnostics, he is one of the most experienced doctors in the U.S.A. in one of the latest FDA approved adjunctive diagnostic tests, Computerized Regulation Thermodiagnostics.

Dr. J is presently writing more books and developing a Bio-Resonance Scanning™ training program for doctors."

I wanted to bring this up so that no one felt misled or was under the impression that this is a medical clinic--it is not. They are specialists in their chosen field, but I didn't want to leave anyone with the impression that this is a medical facility and felt it was important to clarify this.

If you haven't figured out who this doctor is or where his clinic is (I know most of you have) from doing a google search, feel free to pm me and i will send you a link.

Today begins day three of treatment. I'm hopeful, apprehensive, curious, and still a bit skeptical. But the people in the office are all very pleasant and have helped to make my experience there a positive one so far.

Gotta run!

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 1/13/2010 7:44:37 AM (GMT-7)


ria123
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   Posted 1/13/2010 9:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Gary Good luck to you. I hope this works for you and you are really cured from this horrible disease. I am so curious to see the end result. Thank you for sharing with all of us. And I hope you will be able to continue to do so. I hope everyday you just keep getting better and better. Good luck God Bless you, and please keep us updated.
Maria

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   Posted 1/13/2010 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Gary,

Best wishes to you for a swift and complete recovery to good health! Thank you so much for taking the time to write about your experiences. I am finding it very helpful to hear about the clinic as I have often wondered about it and wished we could go there. Please keep us informed as you go along. I pray it will be a healing, positive experience for you. May God Bless you and thanks again for your input.

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GWB
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   Posted 1/14/2010 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   
This morning before I go to the clinic I wanted to give you a little update.

Yesterday the last thing they had me do was sit in the infrared sauna for 30 minutes. I haven't sweated like that in years! The temp was about 125 degrees which was hot but no intolerable.

After I got out of the sauna I felt exhausted. They explained that the effects of sitting in the sauna that long will make you feel as if you've just finished a ten mile jog. Whew, felt more like twenty. But it was great getting all that poison out of my body.

I also had the ST-8 Lymphatic drainage therapy for about a half hour. They focused on my sinuses because right now I have a sinus infection so they wanted to work on that.

They started me off in the morning with the IonCleanse Foot bath for thirty minutes. Still more gunk came pouring out of me. It's an amazing sight to behold to see so much toxins and poisons coming out of your feet of all places.

The staff is so funny because when they come in to look at the gunk before they pour it in the drain they get all giddy about it and say, "wow, this is awesome", "look at this..." etc. They're like kids opening gifts on Christmas. It's funny to see how excited they get about seeing people's disgusting looking gunk in the foot buckets. YUK!

The Lux Gemstone treatment is nice. You actually sit on heated gem stones for 30-40 minutes and listen to peaceful music during that time. Very relaxing.

The doctor gave me some some more BRS testing and added some more homeopathy. You can read daisyrlb's post above for more details on this.

Yesterday I was feeling pretty good during lunch time and I actually had a pretty good appetite. We went to Chipotle for lunch, unfortunately I ate too much.

I forgot how much my stomach had shrunk in the past few months since losing 75 pounds. I was miserable and paid the price for that. Lesson learned!

Yesterday was a good day overall, however, last night I was not feeling too great. Maybe the stirring up of the toxins from the infrared sauna caused me to have a herx or maybe it was something else, don't know.

They try to do everything to keep the herx level down as it is their belief that you don't need to have hard herxes to get well with the appropriate treatment. They told me I should not herx from the sauna but I believe I did herx, plus having all those toxins stirred up I'm sure had an effect on me.

Some of the homeopathic tinctures and herbal formulas I'm taking cause me to have loud head noises. I don't know what's causing it but the doctor is keeping notes on it and may make adjustments on what I'm taking later on.

The hardest part for me to accept is what's called the Bio-Resonance Scanning procedure. The doctor has some NASA invented round shape glass gizmo that is attached to his belt. He rubs this thing while doing some weird hand signals over my body. This is how my body "speaks to him".

I'm not saying I don't believe it, but this is the part of the whole treatment plan that I'm most skeptical of. The thing is, you really got to put your confidence in what he's doing because this is how he determines which herbal formulas and homeopathic tinctures he's going to treat me with.

I really have to trust that he's "hearing" correctly from my body or else he's going to give me stuff that's of no value to me. I admit this is the most difficult part of the whole process, but it's probably the most important part too.

I'm taking two tinctures and one herbal formula (taste pretty bad) and two supplements. Some of this is for my stomach, adrenal gland, liver and spleen support. I forget what all everything does but when I have more time I will go in more details about that.

For now I need to eat breakfast and get ready to go the clinic in 15 minutes. If you have any questions feel free to ask. I will try to respond more to everyone's posts and questions later on.

By the way, for those of you who are curious about the costs, it will cost you, at minimum, about $500 a day. Realistically, it looks like it's going to average out to be about $700.00 a day or a little bit less. Not cheap, but if it helps me to get my health back, it's priceless.

More to come later. Thanks again for all your well wishes and prayers.

Gary

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   Posted 1/14/2010 4:17 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks Gary. looking forward to hearing again. do they give you speicial diet? any other lyme people there?

bucci
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ria123
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   Posted 1/15/2010 1:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Good Questions bucci.
Gary good luck to you and keep us updated as you feel you can. Good health to you.

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   Posted 1/15/2010 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
We're on a short lunch break so wanted to give you a quick update:

Dr. J has only given my two supplements and three homeopathy and herbal remedies at this point. I have asked him to give me a couple of the popular ones that I've read about that some of his Lyme patients talked so positive about. He said my body isn't ready for those yet and we will have to wait and see if and when my body is ready for it.

He did take me off of all of the supplements I was on which I admit was not easy for me to do. The only one he said my body was responding to was my multivitamin which is "Nature's Way Alive!" He didn't attempt to sell me his brand as he said my body was reacting positive to this one.

I really challenged him on taking me off my my supplements and explained how this disease needs all of these supplements to help build my immune system and fight this disease. He asked me if I was getting better or worse in the past six months? I told him I've never felt worse.

He went on to explain more why he was taking me off the vitamins and supplements but also explained that as time goes on with the treatment we will see which of the vitamins and supplements my body responds to and put me back on them.

He explained that my body simply isn't absorbing the majority of the supplements I was taking and it was forcing my body to work hard to try to digest them and not allowing my body to fight this disease naturally.

His goal with his homeopathic tinctures and herbals is to get the body's immune system to work on it's own and fight the disease as it is naturally meant to fight it. Yes, vitamins and supplements are all good, but they have to be given when the body can absorb them and utilize them effectively otherwise they they do you very little good.

I have a hard time with this concept, I admit it. I have to trust that when he does BRS on me that he is getting the right communications from my body and that it's telling him what I need (or don't need). It's not an easy approach for me to adjust to because of the mind set that I have.

Six months ago I would have never gone to a clinic like this. But when you feel like death is knocking on your door and the abx don't work and the doctors can't get you well, I felt I had nothing to lose.

In some ways it's like AI or Dr K's protocols ( not exactly the same methods but some similarities) and it requires an open mind and a lot of faith to accept these type of protocols. As I said before, it seems less scientific and more "hocus pocus" at times, but the end results is what counts.

It's too soon for me to say what the end results are. I can say that I'm seeing some improvement in the way I've been feeling. My abdominal pain improved the first two days but yesterday and today not so good. My mind and emotional state is improved about 25% or more. My energy level has improve about the same amount.

I am hoping to get the funds to stay one more week as is recommended but at this point Im not sure if we can do that or not. I will know by the end of the day if financially we will be able to stay one more week. I hope I can because I do feel it's benefiting me so far.

Oh, another thing. The doctor asked me to try to stop taking digestive enzymes and see if anything changes. I did stop but noticed that my foods weren't getting digested as well. He looked at what I was taking and tested it on me and said it was a very good digestive enzyme and said I could stay on them but increased my dosage from one to three with meals.

I've often wondered if I should be taking more as I felt I should but am always taking things cautiously and prefer to take too little than too much. I take the Digest Gold for those who are interested in knowing.

I warned the doctor before we started that I would be questioning everything he does and want to know why he's doing it and what the exact ingredients are to each product he gives me. He's been perfectly fine with this and even enjoys answering my questions.

You can see from his enthusiasm and how he works and explains everything that he loves what he's doing. He's a positive person and I believe that plays a big role in his treatments. He sees people who are physically sick but he treats the whole person, body, mind and spirit because they're all intertwined into one.

This approach isn't for everyone, and like I said, six months ago I would have never considered coming to a clinic like this. Dr J does not promise to heal everyone who goes to his clinic and even says that not everyone leaves his clinic healed.

Some leave getting better and continue to get better over time, some never get better at all. Dr J is a Christian and he is humble enough to admit that even if you get well and totally healed it isn't because of him. He credits God for all good things that take place in the healing of one's body.

Some people might not like it that he's a man of faith. But he doesn't preach at you or make you feel uncomfortable in any way because of his faith. He's more open to me about his faith because I'm a Christian and involved in the ministry so he and I talk a lot about God, but I don't think he does that with everyone (but I can't say for certain one way or the other).

Anyway, that's kind of off point but did want to bring this up because I know people there are reading my posts and wondering if maybe this is something they should do. I want to be completely open and honest about my whole experience here so that anyone who's giving thought to going to this clinic will have all the facts, "the good, the bad and the ugly" (so to speak).

Right now, all I can say is I'm doing better than I was before I got here. I'm still skeptical of some of the BRS stuff, but I am trying to keep an open mind and be positive about it because I don't want my negativism to hinder any progress that I might have.

My lunch break is about over and I need to get back to the clinic but I'll be back later to answer questions some of you have asked me.

Let me just add this, I had a full body massage yesterday that was the most intense massage I ever had in my life! The massage technician massaged EVERY part of my body (well every part except "down there"). ; ) But I mean every muscle in my body was massaged in a way that I had never experienced before.

When I continue my postings later on I will tell you how it made me feel afterwards. That was an interesting experience.

More to come soon...

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 1/15/2010 2:58:40 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/15/2010 3:43 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks Gary...I'm tuning in for your next update. That isn't the first time I've heard someone told that not all of the 4000 supplements they are taking isn't working.
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   Posted 1/17/2010 6:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Gary,
 
I find this very exciting to say the least!  I just returned back from Vermont so I haven't been around (my best friend's husband had a severe stroke and he is doing fantastic!)... 
 
Anyway, as far as BRS it all has to do with the crystalline matrix which everyone has.  If one's crystallaline matrix is out of sync, that not only messes up one's body and causes disease but everything connected to it as well, hence the mind, body and spirit connection.  
 
Years ago a friend of mine mentioned crystalline matrix to me and I didn't understand it then but understand most of it now.    I could write so much about this as well as positive thinking and how this affects our DNA but instead I'll put in some links:
 
 
 
Read about Bruce Lipton (as far as positive thinking and how it affects our cells, fascinating!):
 
 
This reading is for people that are open to this (much of it is based on science that has been proven over and over again).
 
Anyway, I'm so happy that you are at the Hansa Center and can't wait to hear more from you!
 
Wishing you a fantastic healing journey!
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Detoxing Daily!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA
 


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   Posted 1/17/2010 8:20 AM (GMT -6)   
bucci said...
thank you so much Gary.
I'm curious to know about the surgery scars too,, I think scar tissue from appendectomy is a big issue for me.
I wanna hear more about the biomat too. Is it the infared kind?

lots of love to you,
Bucci

I am heading to the Arizona clinic next week.



Bucci, glad you're able to go to the clinic in AZ. Let us know how it goes!

I wanted to answer some of the questions people asked that I've not yet had time to answer, so I'll start with yours.

Yes, the doctor works on the scars. I can't remember the name of the device right now but it involves electrical currents (doesn't hurt at all) and then applying some essentials oils to to the area. Of course, I also get a massage (full body) and the masseuse specialist also focuses on the scars when he/she gives the massage.

Yes, the biomat (Lux Gemstone Treatment) is infrared and has amethyst crystals in it. They put headphones on you with peaceful music as you lay on this heated mat for 30-40 minutes. Very relaxing.

So far my experience there has been great. I've had lymph drainage, foot detox baths (hands too), various treatments by both doctors who are working with me, massages, infrared sauna, biomat. The doctors use BRS to let the body speak to them and then they come up with which homeopathy remedies and herbal remedies you'll be given.

I am feeling better after five days of treatments, physically, mentally and emotionally. The good days are longer and more consistent than they've been in a long time. So, yeah, I do believe the doctors and the various treatments I'm getting here are helping me.

I am cautiously optimistic that I will continue to get even better during my last week of treatments this week. I'm glad I came here and am hoping that when I leave that I continue to make good progress using the various homeopathic/herbal remedies and supplements that they have given me. I know I'm not going to get completely better being here in two weeks, it will take time. I may never be 100% again, but even if this is as good as it gets, I could live with this.

My abdominal pain has lessened but it still isn't where I want it to be yet. They're still working on this area and hopefully this week will make some better progress here.

Anyway, hope that answers your questions. I pray all goes well with you at the clinic in AZ. Please keep us posted and let us know how it works out for you.

Thanks for your support and encouragement!

Gary

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   Posted 1/17/2010 8:46 AM (GMT -6)   
bucci said...
thanks Gary. looking forward to hearing again. do they give you speicial diet? any other lyme people there?

bucci


No special diet while I've been here. Dr. J's book talks about nutrition in his book. He believes, and I quote, in "a blend of modern dietary science and natural foods to maximize healing". For people who are very sick he recommends they consider following the diet that can be found in a book titled, "The Swiss Secret: Dr Rau's Diet for Whole Body Healing". Link to it below:

http://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Secret-Optimal-Health-Healing/dp/0425225666/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263734886&sr=8-1

I'm not familiar with this diet so I can't say one way or the other if I agree with it until I read more about it. Personally, I follow the Weston Price diet http://www.westonaprice.org/ which promotes whole and natural foods, including raw milk, butter, etc. This is similar to Dr. Ron who also has lyme disease http://www.drrons.com/ . I need to study this more to see if it makes sense for me to switch over to a different kind of diet, but I kind of like the diet I have now which includes mostly organic foods, live foods and grass fed meats without hormones, etc. I think that makes a world of difference eating whole natural foods without all the chemicals, preservatives, etc.

Yes, there are other lyme patients at the clinic, however, this is not a "Lyme Clinic", it's a clinic that treats people with many different diseases. Dr J is a specialist in Lyme, but he treats cancer patients, people with failing kidneys and many other diseases as well. But he does treat a lot of lyme patients as it's definitely his specialty. He himself had lyme and his daughter had West Nile Virus and almost died from it. So, he knows his business when it comes to lyme and other tick born illnesses.

Hope I answered all your questions.

Gary

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   Posted 1/17/2010 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu said...
Hi Gary,


I find this very exciting to say the least! I just returned back from Vermont so I haven't been around (my best friend's husband had a severe stroke and he is doing fantastic!)...



Anyway, as far as BRS it all has to do with the crystalline matrix which everyone has. If one's crystallaline matrix is out of sync, that not only messes up one's body and causes disease but everything connected to it as well, hence the mind, body and spirit connection.



Years ago a friend of mine mentioned crystalline matrix to me and I didn't understand it then but understand most of it now. I could write so much about this as well as positive thinking and how this affects our DNA but instead I'll put in some links:



http://www.sageage.net/article_crystal_matrix_1.shtml



http://hansacenter.com/pdfs/IlluminatedPhysiology.pdf



Read about Bruce Lipton (as far as positive thinking and how it affects our cells, fascinating!):



http://www.eruptingmind.com/how-thoughts-effect-body/



This reading is for people that are open to this (much of it is based on science that has been proven over and over again).



Anyway, I'm so happy that you are at the Hansa Center and can't wait to hear more from you!



Wishing you a fantastic healing journey!

Denise


Denise, glad you are back and happy to know your husband's friend is doing well after his stroke!

Thanks for all the links you provided me with. I've been reading them this morning--fascinating! Yeah, the more I understand this the more it makes sense to me. The proof is in the pudding and it's definitely doing something to make me feel better. I can't say I fully understand it all yet, but I do know that my body is responding to the treatments .

Like I said in a previous post, I'm feeling better more consistently than I've felt in a long time. The one area that still hasn't improved as much as I'd like is the pain in my left side abdomen. It's better than it was prior to coming here, but I'm hoping it improves more before we leave the clinic. The doctors are focusing on this and doing various things to help, so I do believe things will improve in time.

Thanks again for the links and for being so supportive. The support I've gotten here has been amazing and so encouraging. That itself, I believe, has played a role in my healing.

God bless!

Gary

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   Posted 1/17/2010 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   
1bitten2xshy said...
Go get 'em Gary...looking foward to your next post. Prayers for healing sent to you!


1bitten, thanks so much for your prayers and encouragement! I believe that your prayers and the prayers of so many people have had a very positive effect on me, emotionally, mentally and even physically. As you can see from the above posts I am doing better and praying that my final week here I will make more improvements.

Again, thanks for being so supportive. It greatly encourages me.

Gary

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   Posted 1/17/2010 11:14 AM (GMT -6)   
CajunGrl, ria and bablymers, and razzle, I haven't replied to your posts yet and I wanted to make sure you know that I haven't overlooked your comments to me. I've replied to others here who asked questions but now I want to take a moment to say thank you all so much for your well wishes and prayers. I am so blessed to have your support here on this forum. I truly mean it when I say "thank you" as I believe your words of encouragement, prayers and well wishes have contributed to my improvement this past week. All of you on this forum are amazing!

I pray all of us will get this horrible disease out of our bodies. I have hope now that I didn't have before. Thank you all!

Gary

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   Posted 1/17/2010 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Gary,

I'm so, so glad that you are feeling better and are keeping us posted. You are also in my thoughts and prayers.
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   Posted 1/17/2010 9:08 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks again , Gary, for all the sharing. maybe you told us already ?? were you ever treated with antibiotics before going there? I'm tuning in every day to here how you are doing along with all the others. thanks again

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   Posted 1/17/2010 11:02 PM (GMT -6)   
bucci said...
thanks again , Gary, for all the sharing. maybe you told us already ?? were you ever treated with antibiotics before going there? I'm tuning in every day to here how you are doing along with all the others. thanks again

Only is Love,
bucci


bucci, yes, I was treated off and on with abx for five years after I was diagnosed. I wasn't able to tolerate them and didn't stay on them very long. I've been off abx for over six months now.

I took almost every abx out there including Bicillin injections. The only abx that I could tolerate for any length of time was amoxicillin, but even amoxi was difficult for me. I was never on them long enough to get better since my stomach couldn't tolerate them. I know for a fact that I can't do abx and would not even attempt to do them again.

I'm not suggesting abx are not the right way to go. My wife got well with abx, but she was diagnosed early and was able to get well in two years of treatment. However, two years ago she relapsed and went back on abx for nine months and got better again.

For people who are chronic, late stage lymies like me, abx (in my opinion) offer little hope of recovery. That's not to say it can't be done as I know some late stage lymies say they did recover from their disease on abx. But many of them had to take abx for five, ten and up to fifteen years. Not something I could do, especially with my sensitive stomach.

Anyway, hope that answers your question. Are you still planning to go to the clinic in AZ? When do you go and how long are you planning to stay?

If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

Gary

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   Posted 1/17/2010 11:26 PM (GMT -6)   
GWB -- I thank you for all this information about this latest treatment of yours. I wish you well!

Request and question: Please tell me about your foot detox and the 'stuff that came out of you.' What would this have been and where did it come out of you?
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   Posted 1/18/2010 4:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Gary, thanks so much for posting in such detail. I'm following your posts closely....I'm just beginning the very first treatment of my LD with abx, but I think I've been sick for a few years at least. I feel I need to know what ALL of my options for treatment are!

Praying for a complete healing for you,
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   Posted 1/19/2010 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
+Lyme said...
GWB -- I thank you for all this information about this latest treatment of yours. I wish you well!

Request and question: Please tell me about your foot detox and the 'stuff that came out of you.' What would this have been and where did it come out of you?


Well, I really don't know how to explain it in great detail but the way they explain it is that the toxins in the body come out of the feet. According to the literature I have on it from the clinic, this is an, "FDA approved device which uses an energizing metal array to create a super-concentration of electrical ions (negatively or positively charged particles) in the water. The heavy metal in the body are dislodged and migrate towards the feet and out into the foot bath".

Here's a link to the ionic cleanser (the one the clinic uses) if you want to read more about it: http://www.ioncleansedetoxfootbath.com/the_original_ion_cleanse.htm

I recently learned that this is quite controversial and there are some people who feel that ionic foot baths are a scam and of no benefit. You can google ionic foot baths and see just how controversial it is. Some people swear by it others believe it's just a rip-off. I really haven't come to my own conclusions yet about this, but I can say that the gunk that comes out of my feet is pretty disgusting looking and not a pretty sight to behold. Some of what came out of me looked like parasites (little white bugs with legs) The doctor noticed some black string like particles that he said he doesn't often see and was tempted to send it to the lab to have it analyzed. I wished he would have as it would have been interesting to see what it was. Anyway, go check the website out and then google ionic foot cleanses and come to your own conclusions.

Bottom line is this, I'm feeling a lot better since I've been getting treatments at the clinic. Is it because of the ionic foot baths? It probably plays a small role in it I'm sure. But I'm also getting the ST-8 Lymph Drainage treatment, deep tissue therapeutic massages, infrared saunas, Lux Gemstone Treatment and BRS testing and treatments from the doctors. I've received homeopathic and herbal remedies along with some supplements as well. The doctor does some other treatments on me but I don't remember what they're called but it's all related to the BRS testing and listening to the body and treating it according to what it needs. You can read about all of this on their website.

The doctors and staff are very friendly and positive and the atmosphere of the clinic is very peaceful which I believe plays a positive role in the healing of my body. Dr J believes in treating the who person, body, mind and spirit and he's a very positive person and his associate doctor is very good as well.

All I can say is, I'm feeling better than I have in a long time and for the first time in a long time I feel like there is hope for me to get over this disease. I feel that I just might be spending another Christmas with my family this year, whereas, this past Christmas I felt it would probably be my last Christmas with my family. That's how bad I was feeling this past Christmas and for about the past six months. My mind, emotions and my body have all improved since I started treatment last week. This Friday will be my last treatment. I do feel positive and hopeful, but I honestly feel somewhat apprehensive too because I don't have any guarantee that I will continue to get better after I leave here.

The doctor will send me home with the remedies he's prescribed for me and we will have phone consults from time to time, so I'm hoping and praying that the good work that has begun in me will continue on after I leave here and that I will get even better as time goes by. I can't afford to come back here for more treatments but will try to find some of the treatments he does where I live in OK. I think that might be difficult because we don't have any doctors in OK who treat lyme disease, and certainly not many of them have the advanced equipment that this clinic has. Hoepfully, I will be able to find a place that does have some of this equipment and get similar treatment at home.

The proof is in the pudding as the saying goes. Time will tell, but right now I feel pretty hopeful that things will continue to get better for me based on how things have been going the past seven days of treatment.

I will keep you all posted of my progress after I leave here and let you all know how I'm doing when I get back home. Feel free to ask questions and I will do my best to answer any questions you have.

Gary

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   Posted 1/19/2010 9:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Gary,
 
Everything you wrote sounds really positive and I'm happy you are feeling better!  That's great!  Please don't worry when you leave because from other's I know that went to the Hansa Center Dr. J. really does keep in touch and will guide you when you are home.   From what I have learned from others is if you keep up with the detoxing as well as taking the supplements Dr. J. gives you, you will be fine.  
 
There is another member here who went to Dr. J's clinic and I hope to get the two of you hooked up as she could probably give you more advice than I can.
 
Stay positive okay?  I'm praying for you!
 
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   Posted 1/19/2010 9:04 PM (GMT -6)   
nasalady said...
Gary, thanks so much for posting in such detail. I'm following your posts closely....I'm just beginning the very first treatment of my LD with abx, but I think I've been sick for a few years at least. I feel I need to know what ALL of my options for treatment are!

Praying for a complete healing for you,
JoAnn


JoAnn, sorry to hear you've been sick with this terrible disease for the past few years. I hope and pray that you find a protocol that is right for you. There's a lot of options out there and it's good that you are doing your research and looking for what you feel best suits your needs.

For me, it boiled down to this or herbal protocols such as Zhang, Cowden and Buhner. Abx is no longer an option for me because of how they affect my stomach. I was not able to tolerate them well at all. My wife did well on abx but her lyme disease was diagnose earlier than mine and she got better with two years of abx treatment. She did relapse two years ago but go better again with 9 months of abx treatments. She has a tough stomach, sure wish I had a stomach like hers. : )

I didn't know about Dr J until someone sent me a post about him. This person said she bought the book that Dr. J wrote and followed his protocol for 8 months and got completely well. She didn't even go to the clinic! Anyway, after doing much research, and making several phone calls, my wife and I decided to take the risk and give this a try. It's only 2-1/2 hours from where we live so that made it somewhat easier for us to make the decision to come here and try it.

So far, so good. I'm hoping and praying I continue to get better, but most of all, I pray I don't relapse and go back to where I was prior to the treatment. I'm hopeful and that's something that I didn't have prior to coming here.

Anyway, thanks so much for your prayers for my complete healing. I do believe your prayers and the prayers of many of our family and friends have made a tremendous impact on my healing progress.

If you have any questions feel free to ask or pm me and I'll be glad to answer any of your questions. May the Lord lead you and give you wisdom and guidance as you seek Him for direction. Proverbs 3:5-6

Gary
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