were you given blood thinner as part of lyme treatment?
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yes with oral antibiotics - 0.0%
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yes with IV antibiotics - 50.0%
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not with oral antibiotic - 50.0%
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not with IV antibiotic - 0.0%

 
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bucci
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   Posted 3/5/2010 8:29 PM (GMT -6)   
who was given blood thinner as part of lyme treatment?
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Razzle
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   Posted 3/5/2010 8:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if it counts or not, but I use heparin lock flushes on my PICC line as part of my PICC line care protocol. I was not given heparin specifically for Lyme, but I have to wonder how much of the lock flush gets into my bloodstream and contributes to the Lyme treatment...I don't know.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently weaning off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Doxycycline, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Singulair, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (topically & nasally), probiotics, Liver support herbs, Ailanthus, digestive enzymes, homeopathy.


bucci
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   Posted 3/5/2010 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
humm that good question.. I just found ou today that it is prescribed also according to weight. I am on 50 cc ( i think it a "cc") every 12 hours . Also when i do the shots they are subqutneously in belly not into the IV..
Hum , I wonder what the effect and why they don't put in my IV ?
any idea what your dosage is.

Hey Raz, I read today that lymph is leg cramps a lot of time.
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GWB
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   Posted 3/5/2010 10:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I take natural blood thinners that Dr. Jernigan has me on. I think we've already discussed this but I'll repeat it in case this information was missed.

I take Nattokinase and Transformation Protease. These are proteolytic enzymes that clean the blood of fibrinogen and can even help prevent strokes and clear blood clots. It's much safer than the other other stuff. However, you gotta do what your doctor thinks is best.

Profound benefits of supplementing with a dedicated proteolytic formula include:

* Reducing inflammation: Inflammation is a natural response of the body to injury. However, excessive inflammation retards the healing process. Proteolytic enzymes reduce inflammation by neutralizing the biochemicals of inflammation (i.e., bradykinins and pro-inflammatory eicosanoids) to levels at which the synthesis, repair and regeneration of injured tissues can take place.

1- Reducing inflammation can have immediate impact on improved heart health, cancer prevention and recovery, and Alzheimer's prevention. It also helps speed up recovery from sprains, strains, fractures, bruises, contusions, surgery and arthritis. In one study, football players who suffered from ankle injuries found that proteolytic enzyme supplements accelerated healing and got the players back on the field 50 percent faster than athletes who received placebo tablets.

2- Other trials have shown that supplemental proteolytic enzymes can help reduce inflammation, speed healing of bruises and other tissue injuries (including fractures), and reduce overall recovery time when compared to athletes taking a placebo.3,4 And even in patients recovering from facial and various reconstructive surgeries, treatment with proteolytic enzymes significantly reduced swelling, bruising and stiffness compared to placebo groups.5,6,7

* Cleansing the blood of debris: Proteolytic enzymes are the primary tools the body uses to "digest" organic debris in the circulatory and lymph systems. Supplementing merely improves the effectiveness of the process.

* Dissolving fibrin in the blood, reducing the risk of clots: Certain specialized proteases such as nattokinase are extremely effective at improving the "quality" of blood cells, optimizing the ability of blood to flow through the circulatory system, and reducing the risk of clots.8 This is extremely important in reducing the risk of stroke. It also makes using proteolytic enzymes during long plane flights a no-brainer, as they minimize the potential of blood clots in the legs.

* Maximized immune system: The primary vehicle the immune system uses for destroying invaders is enzymes. Macrophages, for example, literally digest invaders with proteolytic enzymes. Supplementation significantly improves the ability of your immune system to do its job.

* Killing of bacteria, viruses, molds and fungi: Bacteria, viruses, molds and fungi are protein/ amino acid-based. Proteolytic enzymes taken between meals literally go into the bloodstream and digest these invaders.

* Elimination of autoimmune diseases: In Lessons from the Miracle Doctors, I cover in detail the process whereby large undigested proteins make their way into the bloodstream and form circulating immune complexes (CICs), which trigger allergies and autoimmune diseases. Supplemental proteolytic enzymes clean CICs out of the body, thereby reducing allergies and autoimmune conditions. In addition, this helps with sinusitis and asthma.

* Dissolving of scar tissue: Scar tissue is made of protein. Proteolytic enzymes can effectively "digest" scar tissue – particularly in the circulatory system.

* And finally, a properly designed supplemental proteolytic enzyme formula can help reduce the symptoms of MS, clean out the lungs9 and aid in detoxing.

Source: http://www.nutritionalwellness.com/archives/2006/jul/07_proteolytic.php

This is great stuff and it's all natural and proven to be safe.

Gary

GWB
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   Posted 3/5/2010 10:42 PM (GMT -6)   
bucci, how are you doing? You making some progress? Is this your last day at the clinic or are you staying longer? What's the latest with you? Miss you!

Gary

Razzle
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   Posted 3/5/2010 11:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Bucci,

My dose is 100 unit/mL, and I use 5mL in each lumen of my PICC after each access (i.e., after disconnecting IV abx and flushing with saline, after disconnecting TPN & flushing w/ saline, etc.).

I read about the Heparin Lock Flush on Rxlist.com and it comments there that lock flush doses of heparin are not useful for systemic anticoagulation treatment....so I guess I'm not getting much in the way of anticoagulation effect from the heparin.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently weaning off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Doxycycline, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Singulair, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (topically & nasally), probiotics, Liver support herbs, Ailanthus, digestive enzymes, homeopathy.


bucci
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   Posted 3/6/2010 1:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Humm ..Hi Gary, I just finished my 5th week and doing very good . still ruff on ABX days and can't imagine doing this without the ozone sauna and the lymph drainage treatent everyday also I do coffee enemas. But I am wondering how strong the natkonese is compared to subqutenous sot in belly of heparin every 12 hours. It really made a big difference in how I feel and the doctor wants to raise it from 50 to 60. but eventually I wwant to get on some pill form. I had no idea that is what natkoneese does. I've taken it before just never knew why I was taking it.
last weekend 102.2 fever on Saturday but no other big fever days . Tonight whipped out but the heavy metal DMSO helped.

xxx
So Razzle, did you ask you doc about this thin blood thing. I read about it in the book From fatigue to fantastic and the doctor mentions it on the page where he talks about lyme like it is essential to treatment to use heparin.
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