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Mike29
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   Posted 6/22/2010 12:14 AM (GMT -6)   
So those of us who have Lymes, are supposedly supposed to stay away from Carbs and Sugar. But what are the reasons behind that? Can someone explain in detail, specific to Lymes, exactly why we need to stay away from this?

spaztick
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   Posted 6/22/2010 12:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I know sugar is bad for you if you have Lyme. The idea is create an environment within that is not favourable for Lyme to grow and thrive. I'm not sure about carbohydrates, but I prefer to avoid simple carbohydrates with sugar as well as any processed foods.

I have been on a sugar-free diet since the beginning of this year. I have cheated, however, if you include foods with honey or cane sugar.

Have you read Dr. Burrascano's updated treatment guidelines? He talks about foods to avoid as well as recommended supplements.

I hope others chime in soon ~ very good topic.

Take good care.
*Oral Abx Combo Tx since Jan/08*
Lyme disease - clinical dx ’08; Babesiosis (Positive IgM/IgG) '08;
GERD '05; Essential Tremor ’02; Fibromyalgia ’00; Osteoarthritis; Depression; IBS; Interstitial Cystitis


Razzle
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   Posted 6/22/2010 2:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Sugar increases acidity in the body, which makes it harder for the body to function optimally.

Sugar also suppresses the immune system.

Sugar promotes yeast overgrowth and generally is thought to "feed" all varieties of pathogens (bacteria, fungus/mold/yeast, viruses, parasites). These pathogens are more aggressive usually than the "friendlies" that are supposed to be naturally occurring in our bodies, therefore feeding the aggressive strains will usually result in crowding out of the "friendlies" and result in more attacks on the immune system and the health in general.

I don't understand fully why the low carb diet is recommended, other than perhaps as part of a yeast control diet. I personally believe whole grains (other than wheat/rye/barley) are healthy when consummed as part of an overall healthy diet.

The reason for the gluten (wheat/rye/barley) avoidance is that research by some MD's suggests strongly that gluten promotes inflammation in the body. Since Lyme itself causes inflammation, and die-off produces more inflammation, eating pro-inflammatory foods adds extra inflammatory burden to the body's already overtaxed immune system. Also, Lyme is known to be capable of triggering or "switching on" gluten sensitivity or Celiac Disease (possibly by turning on the genes that predispose to the development of these gluten issues).

I hope this helps...
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
Meds:  IV Cipro, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Milk Thistle, Magnesium, homeopathy.


Mike29
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   Posted 6/22/2010 3:02 AM (GMT -6)   
what whole grain foods are okay to eat? I'm a little confused.

ttlittlestar
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   Posted 6/22/2010 5:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Get the book "The Belly Fat Cure". It really outlines an eating style where your carbs and sugars are limited and spread out throughout the day . It also makes you very aware of the sugar and carb content in food and there are better choices without eliminating all carbs. You are allowed 15 grams of sugars a day. And 6 servings of carbs. A serving of carbs is between 5 and 20 grams. A slice of bread with 21 grams would count as 2 servings. A cup of milk has 12 grams of sugar. Corn on the cob-5 grams of sugar. Breads vary in their sugar and carb content. Carrots have sugar. It really makes you aware of the better alternatives out there and gives you great direction for cutting down the sugar and carbs without feeling denied.

lylaso
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   Posted 6/22/2010 6:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I haven't been convinced of the usefulness of this restrictive diet. Lyme lives in your tissue, it eats it. If you have the bacteria in your CNS, it leaves lesions visible on an MRI.

I can understand the need for this diet if you live an unhealthy lifestyle to begin with. No exercise plus overweight prior to the disease. This obviously is not a good environment for our immune system.

I'm not convinced (and maybe someone here can convince me) why we need this diet if we're already fit and at an optimal weight. The exclusion of fruit is what boggles my mind the most.

I haven't seen a story where a lymie felt better after this diet. Except for those who were eating unhealthy to begin with.

Yeast is a different issue. if you have candida overgrowth, then I could see why you want to avoid sugars.

ttlittlestar
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   Posted 6/22/2010 7:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Think of a PET scan used to detect cancer anywhere in the body. They inject you with radioactive glucose because cancer thrives on sugar. The radioactive glucose is consumed by the cancer and light ups in the scan. In insulin potentiation therapy (IPT), your blood sugar levels are dropped. Then a treatment drug is administered through an IV in conjunction with glucose to deliver the drug to diseased areas of the body. For whatever reason, disease seems to have a sweet tooth. IPT has been used to treat Lyme by some as well. I have to say I feel much better when I cut down on the carbs and sugar. My sister is very allergic to dogs. But her allergies disappear when on a low carb and sugar diet. It is worth a shot to see if there is a difference in how you feel.

Razzle
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   Posted 6/22/2010 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Mike,

The whole grains that are ok include oats (gluten-free varieties only), brown rice, corn, buckwheat, quinoa, millet, & amaranth. I might have missed one or two... Kamut, spelt, rye, barley and regular oats (only because of cross-contamination) contain the pro-inflammatory gluten.

For baking, you can get gluten-free flour mixes that work pretty well. And a number of places are starting to offer gluten-free bakery items. The biggest thing to watch out for is the sugar content in these pre-made items.

Sweeteners that are acceptable on the candida diet include stevia, xylitol & agave. Tupalo honey (only if pure 100% tupalo...which is pretty expensive) is safe for diabetics also because it does not raise blood sugar. Artificial sweeteners are essentially neurotoxins & and some are known to cause cancer - these include splenda, nutra-sweet, sucralose, acesulfame-K, & saccharine.

I hope this info is helpful...take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
Meds:  IV Cipro, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Milk Thistle, Magnesium, homeopathy.


GWB
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   Posted 6/22/2010 5:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I suggest you read this article written by a Naturopathic doctor who has lyme disease. He believes the most effective way of beating this disease is the way we eat:

www.drrons.com/diet-chronic-disease-and-optimal-health.htm

Not everyone will agree, but for me, this is the way of eating that helped me (and is still helping me) to get well (along with natural remedies, of course).

www.westonaprice.org/

A great website to learn about diet and the dangers of sugar and refined carbs (regardless whether you have lyme disease or not) is Dr. Mercola's website www.mercola.com/

Best place to start is by reading his Health Blog. You can subscribe to his free weekly newsletter too.

If you want to get well, it's going to require discipline. Feeding your body natural, live, whole foods, can do more to get you better than all the medicines and supplements in the world (in my opinion).

A great book to read for anyone who has Lyme disease is "Beating Lyme Disease" by Dr. David Jernigan. You can purchase it on his website at www.HansaCenter.com

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 6/22/2010 6:26:56 PM (GMT-6)


lylaso
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   Posted 6/22/2010 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't know that naturally occurring sugars were considered an immunosuppresant. I can understand the processed stuff. But we were built to consume sugar (in moderation of course) from natural sources. I am currently on a restrictive diet because I am a patient at the two frogs healing center. I was sent there by my LLMD. I've been losing weight and I don't want to. I think it is dangerous to start losing weight when you are fighting an infection.

My point is that I think we need a balance. No fruit and no carbs is going a step beyond "balanced". I can understand cutting out sweets, ice cream,processed carbs even certain fruit juices. That's just common sense. We weren't made to consume those products to begin with. But, beans, bananas, rice,... I don't get. They are simple foods with a lot of benefits.

I just haven't seen convincing evidence that eliminating those types of "sugars" is beneficial in our fight. I enjoyed ice cream, pasta and the occasional drink prior to this (as I'm sure most of us did). I'm happy to give those up, because those were treats for me not my body. Instead of popping potassium and magnesium pills, I'd much rather get it from natural sources.

Forgive me, I'm not trying to pick a fight. Just trying to understand.

GWB
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   Posted 6/22/2010 9:51 PM (GMT -6)   
lylaso,

I know you aren't trying to pick a fight. You're inquisitive and you want to get the answers to your very logical questions. I'm the same way. I applaud you for asking these questions and encourage you to keep asking them and keep doing your research until you find the answers that satisfy you. It's a complicated disease and difficult to understand at times. That's what makes it so controversial. You've got the ILADS vs ISDA fighting about what Lyme disease is and what it isn't. They are divided about how to treat this disease and there's controversy about long term antibiotics, diet, various protocols, etc.

Here's a couple of good links for you to look at regarding the division between the two groups:

www.ldsg.org/index.php?id=71
lymemd.blogspot.com/2009/02/war-idsa-vs-ilads.html

In time you will begin to understand how controversial and political this disease is. Sadly, it's because IDSA has chosen to ignore the science and evidence that's been presented to them regarding this disease, millions of people continue to suffer with it.

Anyway, that's off topic somewhat, but the point is, you have to be your own advocate when it comes to fighting this disease. What you put in your body can make a big difference whether you get better or stay sick, or even get sicker for that matter. I encourage you to look at other lyme forums too and ask questions like you're asking here. Keep asking and keep researching until you find the answers to your questions. But, one thing I encourage you to do, and that's keep an open mind and not let your biases get in the way.

Diet is so very important. If you read the links I gave you for the websites regarding the food we eat, you'll see that it's just a basic common sense way of eating. Sometimes we fight it because we don't want to give up the things we so much enjoy. That's something I learned the hard way. It wasn't until I lost 75 pounds by eating healthy, organic, pure, live food, that I finally was able to get better. When my body got healthier it was able to fight this disease on it's own. Good healthy food with natural medicines is what got me better. When we have Lyme disease, our body doesn't need more poisons in it, and when you eat refined foods filled with sugar, it just feeds the Lyme and makes it harder for your body to fight this disease.

Anyway, like I said, in time the answers will come to you. You can do whatever you want, but if your goal is to beat this disease, and feel good again, then it's going to require discipline, and that means giving up a few of the things you like to eat. I still have a treat now and then, but I know if I over do it I will pay the price for it. Your body doesn't need more toxins in it, and when you eat sugary refined foods, you're putting more toxins in your body forcing it to work harder to fight this disease and get rid of the poisons we put in it. And that's what usually makes people feel so lousy with this disease, it's the lyme toxins that have built up inside of us. Not only do we need to watch what we eat, we need to keep our bodies detoxified. But that's a whole other subject for another time.

Like I said, keep asking questions, do your research and in time you'll know what's best for you.

Gary

mattnapa
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   Posted 6/22/2010 10:58 PM (GMT -6)   
I have heard some of the argument for how much fruit and grain should be allowed for optimum health.
I think some would argue that fruit is preferable to grain, but there are a fair amount of voices arguing that both should be minimized to some degree. also part of the argument is the alkali****tion theory which states the more alkaline our bodies the healthier. These diets require a diet high in vegetables, though certain types of veggies are preferable, and i think these diets can be fairly high in certain fruits. I believe alkalinizing is nit too conducive to grain, but I might have this wrong.

What I do find amazing is the lack of literatutre on the health effects of these various types of diets. You would think a rational medical system would put the effects of diet near the top. I imagine there are some issues with confirming what people are truly eating, but nonetheless something seems amiss with the effort in this regard

Razzle
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   Posted 6/23/2010 4:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Yeah - I'm not sure there are any grains that are considered "alkaline."

We don't have a rational medical system - otherwise, we would be able to get appropriate treatment for Chronic Lyme without having to seek out special LLMD's!

Most MD's I've seen blow off the idea that diet has anything to do with health...to us laypeople, this seems illogical but what do we know, right? But I think the reason there is little research on diet is because most MD's receive little to no training on nutrition in medical school, so they simply do not think about food, nutrition or diet and the impacts this may have on a person's health.

Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
Meds:  IV Cipro, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Milk Thistle, Magnesium, homeopathy.


lylaso
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   Posted 6/23/2010 5:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Gary,

You're always great at responding, thanks for that. However, I think my questions are being a bit misunderstood.

I agree with you and there is clear evidence that refined sugars are not good for you period. I don't put sugar in my tea anymore. I can live with that. Don't eat chips, pasta and other processed carbs.
Both before and after this disease I tried to eat mostly organic foods.

My point is that sometimes these "blanket" diets need to be tailored to an individual. I can not lose anymore weight or I'm going to start looking daunt. Only veggies don't cut it for me. Especially because we are not supposed to eat "sweet veggies" like bell peppers.

I am well aware of the IDSA/ ILADS controversy.I definitely don't side with IDSA. Lymemd is my LLMD. One of the first things he did 6 months ago when I started to see him was to make sure I understood this controversy. He makes you do your homework. I haven't brought up the concern of my diet with him, but I will next time.

Matt brought up what is at the root of my frustration...more studies need to be done.

Jeminij
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   Posted 6/23/2010 8:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I do know someone who beat lyme (from wheelchair to perfectly healthy), but changing her diet and lifestyle and without the use of abx. For me, I got better with abx and I never gave up sugar or carbs. So I think it just depends on the person.

I do know since having some symptoms come back, that if I eat a lot of sugar I do end up feeling much worse. I don't know if it is getting older or the lyme, but I have switched to organic natural sugar rather than processed sugar for things like tea or baking, but I love my sweets. I have tried to cut back, but it's hard. I too am a normal weight but my diet could use some work as I am a very picky eater. I eat pasta but try to use smart pasta. I eat chips, but only baked chips. I don't know if I could completely give up sugar and carbs. I try but I only make it about 2 days at most.

I think it is good to make some changes and cut out sugar lyme or no lyme. It is just better for your body. It's def. a battle for me especially when you have a toddler who likes "snacks".

Summerbrz
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   Posted 6/23/2010 11:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi...im new to this forum as well. I read your post with great interest as tomorrow will be 2 wks since i cut out all sugar and am on low carbs. No potatoes, rice, bread etc. Since the day i cut out all of that was also the same day since my horrible symptoms improved exponentially i dont know what this will do to keep what i call "the horrors" away. Ive only experienced some soreness rince. But i dont know how often to expect the symptoms to flare either. These dietary restrictions can only be good for me though. Its been easy to adhere to as well. Nothing like being very sick to make me start making changes. Please ck out those websites. Theyre very helpful.

Lorin
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   Posted 9/26/2011 7:12 AM (GMT -6)   
I have a wonderful lyme dr. who has informed me that spirochetes feed off of refined sugars. My progress is slow, although I have had lyme since 2008 and my treatment will last a long time. It is helping, and I am losing weight slowly, probably because I am mostly inactive. Baby steps and patience is what I'm told. Hope this helps.

flowergal
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   Posted 9/28/2011 9:09 AM (GMT -6)   
This topic is very interesting to me as well. I have always been a vegetarian who eats a balanced diet of whole grains, veggies, dairy, and lots of nuts and seeds. But I also love a glass of wine or good cup of coffee and in the summer ice cream. I have no weight issue and wonder just how much better my diet could be.

For the last month because of Lyme I have had little to no refined sugars, but certainly have had some from the veggies etc I consume. People have always asked me "what do vegetarians eat?" I used to have a lot of choices but now with this diet I wonder, should I eat the whole grain pasta? should I drink skim milk etc. what about the carrots I snack on, and now because of this thread am wondering about all the walnuts I eat! Yikes.

Wish I too understood what I need to do to complement the abx mix I am currently on for the Lyme. It is so confusing, so right now I am following a low/no obvious sugar, no alcohol diet (waiting for the day I can have a glass of wine again) and will see where it takes me.

Enjoy reading what works for others.

CycleVancouver
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   Posted 9/28/2011 10:17 AM (GMT -6)   
I was very much in the "I have a stunningly healthy diet, how much more can I do?" camp a couple of months back, but after one aborted attempt to rigorously follow the alkaline-acid diet charts, I've done a pretty good job with a less-rigorous approach. And I do feel like I can tolerate the meds with fewer side effects (less pain in the liver and kidneys areas) since getting on it.

In a way this diet gets easier. Everyone giving it a go has their own quirks to it, but most of us are following similar guidelines. My sugar cravings have pretty much gone away, and with gluten-free bread available (though a bit pricey), I can manage fairly well.

Personally, I don't worry about my nut intake at all. Even if we are scarfing handfuls of nuts, we need the calories, and when put on a plate next to a bunch of veggies and quinoa, your acid-alkaline balance is still very good. When I aimed for 90-100% alkaline, I crashed. 80/20 is a more realistic goal for me.

I will agree that the "what to eat" question arises not just for us vegetarians, but in general for anyone on this diet. I miss having snack-like foods for the evenings...there's only so much fruit and veg I can eat, and lately I've been wanting to scarf potato chips badly. I think I'm going to compromise on the over-processed, hyper salty Tofurkey veggie sausages, which will at least be a better choice than Doritos. Once a month or so, I think giving into the craving helps if it gets you over the hump for a few more weeks.

If you haven't already, try buckwheat noodles, also known as soba noodles, instead of pasta. They make great noodle dishes with asian-flaired dressings. I've also used brown rice pasta, but I don't like it quite as much.

alone&scared
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   Posted 9/28/2011 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't read all of the posts, so sorry if I am repeating what anyone else said:)
I had to go on the no carbs (well under 20grams per day) and NO sugar diet when I was first diagnosed. It was great because after the initial detoxing I felt wonderful...except for the lyme:( And, I lost almost 30 lbs. I had to do it because of the yeast. I was on diflucan everyday, did a yeast cleanse and had to use nystatin everyday (orally for thrush) and still could not get rid of the yeast. The diet totally helped. However, it just wasn't realistic for me. It was too restrictive. I think if you stick to lower carbs and no sugar it would be easier to stick to. I am going back to that myself in a couple of days just hoping it makes me feel better.

Geoff777
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   Posted 11/30/2012 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   
lylaso,

I hear what you are saying and their are communities around the world that eat nothing but fruit and never get cancer or disease at all!!! So you are making a good point here and others here are totally missing what you are trying to tell them.

Fruit was given to us by God for good health and all fruits have various health benefits. I have NEVER seen ONE person EVER give a reason and with proof and research why fruit is bad for people with Lyme UNLESS they are on antibiotics.

Dr. Burrascano's guidelines on not eating fruit was applied ONLY to those on antibiotics because they kill of all the good bacteria in your bowel that leads to a very unnatural situation, and then perhaps fruit sugar could cause a Candida overgrowth that will cause you more problems and make your health worse. So in that case one may have a valid argument to leave certain fruits out of the diet.

But if you are treating Lyme naturally with herbs etc and without antibiotics, then there is no evidence ANYONE has been able to show me to say that fruit is a problem.

A mostly raw food diet with nuts and legumes etc for protein and perhaps eggs in small amounts WITHOUT meat is the optimal diet for good health.

Meat is the number ONE reason for an acidic body that disease thrives in. Cooking foods also make them more acid. RAW foods leads to a slightly alkaline body that disease CANNOT thrive in. The only food (if you could call it that) that will make your body more acid is Coke and that has a PH of about 2.3! It is a poison of the worst kind.

So many people are trying to beat Lyme unsuccessfully while still drinking soft drinks loaded with sugar and other refined junk food, and while smoking and drinking, and wonder why they struggle to beat Lyme!

If you want good health and want to beat this horrid diseases, the start by feeding your body with healthy, unrefined wholesome foods as God gave them to us.

I am doing this and with antimicrobial herbs and I am going to beat those little wiggly bugs as a result.

I wish all the same for everyone having to deal with this horrible little bug that has no place in our bodies so we need to give it an environment that it cannot survive in. So getting rid of acid foods and making our body PH aprrox 7.4 and eating healthy and wholesome foods is just the first step.
 

Post Edited (Geoff777) : 11/30/2012 3:30:32 PM (GMT-7)


Dusty4078
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   Posted 10/31/2013 8:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm hoping to revive this thread!
I've searched actual studies and can't find anything to show how the bacteria reacts to sugars and yeast.
I believe it's hypothesis based on the sugars and yeast on MOST ppl and how they eat.
I'm also perfect weight, fighting for a couple of years now but just put on the diet by a LLMD.
I was getting better slowly on MINX. after leveling off on doxi.
I chose to keep my apt with LLMD because it took 3 months waiting to see him. This diet and the added supplements he's prescribed have cost us $300 plus already and that doesn't count the apts.
He gave me a list of "what I can't have. No list of what I can have.
So went to the naturalist store for the supplements where they sell this stuff, I was looking for rice cakes. (he said I could have and corn chips)
Well she said NO!
Also no natural sugars either as I was inquiring about honey and coconut. NO
But she said I could have sprouted bread and sold me that and muffins.
Now they have YEAST! Which he said NO to.
Stevia is the only sugar. No fruit because of the sugar even tho natural but I can have stevia that is processed natural sugar!
Then I wen to acupuncturist (another $50)
she said fruit and natural sugars like honey and coconut are ok.
LOL~
depends on who wants to "cheat" on which part of this stinking diet.
No dairy!!
That's a big screw you for me!
I believe highly on a healthy diet everything in moderation.
I have changed to unpressed cows milk for the natural antibiotics that are found in both mothers and any milk.
i'm not eating cheese.
The wheat I'm really having a hard time with also as years back I had stomach issues and I tried many things including pills!
I finally got it under control with wheat in the morning (Wheaties or mini wheat & cheerios) and 3 times a week on string beans for the fiber.
I'm now having issues like i did in the past and it dam well hurts!
One said I could do rye bread too.
so again it's who you talk to and I personally and leaning to saying screw it to the wheat too.
All of us process food differently in our diets, some have celiacs. (sp) I don't!
I think I'm backwards in the processing. I don't get bothered by caffeine (doesn't keep me awake) sudafed and other things never put me to sleep like other ppl.
so maybe my matab. is so different that I personally need the wheat in my belly to keep the regulation. Just backward from the ones who are intolerant.
I go 3 days without wheat (today it's only been 2 and I'm hurting) my belly is hard and feels like it's prickling around my intenestines. I've tried increasing the probiotics too. doesn't help.
I'm sorry but I know I can't get better if I'm loosing weight to the point it makes me weak, and I hurt.
they also said no strenous exercise!
Seriously!!
You can't keep muscle and stay strong by sitting on your ass!
I worked on fence posts this summer sweat my a## off and drank so much water I was sweating literly down a down pour of rain.
I felt better then I have in 3 years!
I'm going to stick as close to the diet as I can for a month but if I don't see improvement I'm going back to my wheat cheese and Light sugar.
I don't eat much sugar only in coffee (decaf) and an occasional snack.
the breads I make don't have yeast and I can go light on those no problem.
The acupuncture seemed to relieve my back spasms, so I'll try next weeks apt. but at $50 a pop that's not going to be a regimen. I just can't afford this.
I still have throat or neck swelling feeling and my joints have gotten worse then on the minx. alone.
so if I'm going to keep getting worse like this I'll go back to the antibiotic, a good healthy mix of foods, and strenuous exercise to build or at least try to keep the muscle I have.
So if someone can "show me" the clinical trials to prove how the bacteria is reacting to the lack of or add to with sugars please post those links. Then I'll be a believer. Then I'll stick to it even tho' it seems to be making me feel and act worse.
I need science proof.
The acupuncturist said they have tested it but never pointed me in the direction of being able to support this theory.
The Dr. didn't even want to answer "what are the side effects".
So PLEASE SHOW US ALL THE Evidence!
Stop posting links to why it's bad for a diabetic or wheat intolerant person.
I also heard one say they "cured" but no names and no one to talk to that can show the proof they had it to start with.
we are all experiments...

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   Posted 10/31/2013 7:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Everybody is different, so what works for one may not work for another. My daughter and I have experienced that just between the 2 of us. She doesn't do well if she eats a lot of carbs and I don't either, but I mainly use buckwheat and rice and do ok on those, but my daughter has to have a protein when we make waffles or pancakes and then it doesn't impact her. I do best on a meal of rice (not white!) meat and vegies. You have to learn to listen to your body and see what agrees and what doesn't, but I think avoiding gluten is good for anyone, especially wheat. There is a much higher level of gluten in modern wheat and it is affecting many people now.

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   Posted 11/1/2013 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
This is from a Mercola newletter.

" We’ve covered some of the best foods for your brain, but equally important is what foods to avoid. In the video above, Dr. David Perlmutter—probably the leading natural medicine neurologist in the US, from my perspective—shares his insights into how to protect your brain health and even prevent Alzheimer’s disease using a key dietary strategy… namely, avoiding sugar and carbohydrates, including gluten.

Gluten sensitivity is involved in most chronic disease, including those affecting the brain, because of how gluten affects your immune system. Unfortunately, many people, physicians included, still believe that if you don’t have celiac disease, gluten is fair game and you can eat as much of it as you like. However, virtually all of us are affected to some degree.

This is because we all create something called zonulin in the intestine in response to gluten. Gluten proteins, found in wheat, barley and rye, makes your gut more permeable, which allows undigested proteins and gut contents such as bacteria to get into your bloodstream that would otherwise have been excluded. That then sensitizes your immune system and promotes inflammation and autoimmunity.

Once gluten upregulates permeability in your gut, it then becomes “leaky” and all manner of previously excluded proteins—including casein and other dairy proteins—have direct access to your bloodstream, thereby challenging your immune system and contributing to the loss of self-tolerance, the very definition of autoimmunity.

According to Dr. Perlmutter, much of our current disease burden, including brain diseases, stems from the fact that we are contaminating our immune systems with proteins to which the human immune system has never, in the history of humankind, been previously exposed to. To learn more, I highly recommend Dr. Perlmutter’s New York Times best-selling book, Grain Brain.

A Healthy Lifestyle Equals a Healthy Brain"

And the video, http://youtu.be/O43_WSRURjs

Dusty4078
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   Posted 11/2/2013 5:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Leaky gut is a big deal on most of this topic.
I had no issues until I started the added supplements and diet.
Now I get those prickly feeling in my torso, not only stomach area but feels like it's outside of it. I'm assuming that's what is meant by "leaky gut".
seems like I've gotten it now and didn't have it before. 3 days of hurting I ate wheaties. Felt great no stomach problems reg. bowel even. Tried to go back and I'm irregular, and having the same needle like pains in my torso area.
I'm still trying, again 3 days I made it before it's getting to hurt enough I'm about to have my Wheaties again. (but i'm out)
My teeth are turning dark which I've seen blamed on the antibiotics and I was on for a year of doxi and then minox. no issues. Now on the supplements I'm getting the effects. Sorry it's not the antibiotics it's the supplements. I just need to find out which one.
2 weeks on most and felt no change. Added Turmeric (spice in capsule form) and felt a bit better mood wise.
I'm out of vit. d at the moment and feeling a bit more tired again.
I personally feel like unless we are tested for deficiencies we shouldn't be adding anything. Many of these things are shown in studies (not just an article a dr wrote because of his or her belief) to be increasing problems in other areas.
You can't get well unless you are healthy... creating more problems and more pain is not healthy.
I'm not trying to be neg. I think everyone should and can "try" these diets that may help especially if one needs to loose weight to get to a 'healthy" weight.
I do know I wasn't that tired until after I started my blood pressure meds. too. I now wonder if the snake venom used may have created the intolerance to the bacteria.??
At the time, my only symptoms were high blood pressure.
did it create an immune reaction that opened me up to the inability to fight of the Lyme virus?
I'll be looking for tests to see if any have been done on the use of blood pressure meds with antibodies.
In the mean time, I'll keep trying the diet along with acupuncture and supplements to see if it may be just a short "phase" to get through.
I just hope it isn't leaving me open to building an intolerance to foods.
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