Thick blood anyone???

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LizW
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   Posted 7/31/2010 7:12 PM (GMT -6)   
My doctor diagnosed me with thick blood and put me on heparin injections 2 x a day. I can't say that I am very happy with giving needles to myslef, let alone all the bruising and thinking my blood will get to thin and start hemorrhaging. I have been in arizona the past 2 months being treated and am going home on the 9th, back to jersey. I don't have any good drs out there that will monitor me, especially being on the heparin, so it all makes me a bit nervous.

Does anyone else have thick blood and taking any natural supplements to thin the blood? Just curious ....

Thanks so much...

Liz

SnowyLynne
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   Posted 7/31/2010 7:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Mine gets thick,then thins from time to time depending on the foods I eat.....I take Plavix so I don't have another stroke......
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   Posted 7/31/2010 7:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Heparin doesn't break up existing clots, it just slows clotting. If you're concerned, you should have a discussion with your doctor about the bleeding risks of being on the Heparin.

Vitamin E, Sassafrass, NingXia Red (Ningxia wolfberry juice), and some other things can help with thinning the blood naturally. Make sure you don't get dehydrated...that makes thick blood worse in my opinion.

Inflammation causes thickened blood also, so any anti-inflammatory herbs should also help (tumeric, ginger, boswellia, bromelain, etc.).

Good luck,
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   Posted 7/31/2010 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
LizW,

I take Nattokinase for thick blood. My local Naturopathic/MD doctor has thick blood and heart problems. His heart doctor wanted him to take heparin but he refused to take it. He takes two thousand IU's of Natto daily and his blood tests are perfect. His heart doctor isn't happy he won't take heparin but he agrees that the Nattokinase seems to be doing the job for him. I had high fibrin in my blood and by taking Nattokinase it has completely resolved it.

I would suggest you not make any decisions to stop heparin without doctor supervision. You'll probably have to go to a ND to supervise you because most likely your MD isn't going to be happy with you switching to a natural remedy. Google it and you can read about the benefits of Nattokinase.

Some links to look at: health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/food-nutrition/vitamin-supplements/nattokinase.htm
naturalhealthsecrets.ws/1066/nattokinase/

Here's a review on a specific brand of Nattokinase on Vitacost. I'm not suggesting this is the "best" brand to purchase, but read the 37 reviews and see for yourself why so many people use Nattokinase. reviews.vitacost.com/4595/23688/doctors-best-nattokinase-2000-fu-90-vegetarian-capsules-reviews/reviews.htm

Gary

LizW
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   Posted 7/31/2010 10:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Gary,

Thanks for the info will discuss with my dr. What test did they use on you to diagnose that you had thick blood. They used the isac test on me and it was 1200. I have been on the heparin since last Sunday and my tummy is sore and bruised. My dr is here in az cause I'm being treated here, but going back to jersey on the 9th. Just wondering if all dr's use the isac test to monitor the fibrin levels.

IH8Ticks
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   Posted 7/31/2010 11:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't have clotting problems, but I take Boluoke for circulation. It is supposed to reduce fibrin without effecting clotting. You might try looking into it.

blambo
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   Posted 7/9/2014 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I take generic form of Trental that my Lyme doctor prescribed. This is so much better than Heparin as it is not "rat poison" like heparin is and you do not need to have blood work on a weekly basis. It works for thick, viscous blood that coagulates quickly. My feet and sometimes hands would get hot, red and swollen. That stopped with the heparin but also with the Trental yet the side effects of of Trental are minimal, unlike heparin. I don't even need to stop taking it prior to surgery.

blambo
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   Posted 7/9/2014 1:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I take generic form of Trental that my Lyme doctor prescribed. This is so much better than Heparin as it is not "rat poison" like heparin and you do not need to have blood work on a weekly basis. It works for thick, viscous blood that coagulates quickly. My feet and sometimes hands would get hot, red and swollen. That stopped with the heparin but also with the Trental but the side effects of of Trental are minimal, unlike heparin. I don't even need to stop taking it prior to surgery

There is an over the counter product called boluoke that helps ad well. It is made of earthworms

http://www.naturodoc.com/library/heart/boluoke.htm
http://www.taoofherbs.com/articles/25/EarthwormBloodCirculation.htm

flint01
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   Posted 8/29/2014 11:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I was trying to find the thread on hereditary thick blood. I had lyme., now my veins are sort of popping up.. I have a lot of pain. I can hardly use one arm. My doctor says it's nothing. It's because I'm "45" now. Meanwhile I have a positive IGg., a high Immunoglobin M ? (for thick blood).. I have a headache all the time. I'm afraid., and I'm not sure what to do.. that.. he basically does not believe me. He said those high levels are just remnants from before.

Louise74
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   Posted 8/29/2014 12:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Couldn't you take so good old fashioned aspirin? Or baby aspirin?

Girlie
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   Posted 8/29/2014 12:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, what Louise said - an aspirin a day....

or garlic? Doesn't that thin the blood naturally?
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sknight
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   Posted 8/29/2014 12:39 PM (GMT -6)   
My fibrinogen levels came back at 400 (on a scale of 100-500). I had heart palpitations, throbbing hands, feet, head, neck... especially at night. I started taking 2-3 Neprinol a day and the throbbing has stopped. Haven't had my fibrinogen levels re-checked yet but, I think it's helping. Symptoms have decreased.

Neprinol is a multi-enzyme formula. Expensive but, very high dose so I don't have to take as many capsules as in other brands.

Just another option for you to check out.

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   Posted 8/29/2014 1:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Turmeric at higher dosages will also thin blood. My hubby is on Warfarin for life, so we have to know what other things will thin his blood so he can avoid them to keep his levels of medication and the thickness of his blood regulated.

Also there are some natural products that will thin blood too -

Nattokinase is one, It is an enzyme (a protein that speeds up biochemical reactions) that is extracted from a popular Japanese food called natto. Natto is boiled soybeans that have been fermented with a bacterium called Bacillus natto.

There are others, but I just can't remember them right now, but an internet search should turn them up.
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flint01
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   Posted 8/29/2014 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for this link. I was just trying to make an appointment with a vascular doctor.. because I am in pain., I see my veins on the surface.. and I can hardly carry a bag.. or stand for long periods. I am usually active., and my primary told me nothing is wrong.. (even tho you can <suddenly> see my veins on the upper part of my arm where it's hurting- as well as a lot of other areas)- I'm thinking of switching primary doctors..

Jeffissick?
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   Posted 8/29/2014 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for this post (or renewing it or whatever its called)!!!

I have had several not so subtle hints from my body that my blood was thickening, but wasn't paying attention or putting the puzzle pieces together until I read this post. Back on 7/28 one of my blood samples clotted up in the tube (something the nurse said happens rarely if ever because there is an anti-clotting material preloaded in the vial), I've had a super strong heartbeat and pulse for over a month, my veins have been prominent everywhere, I have pounding headaches and during my most recent blood draw on 8/25 the nurse had to make several attempts to get blood due to clotting issues (I have NEVER had those issues before in my entire life). I'm thinking the little buggers in my blood are messing around trying to give me a stroke or heart attack!

Anyhoo, I just went to the store to get 325mg enteric coated aspirin which I plan on taking until I can get some real testing done. Thanks again!!!

sknight
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   Posted 8/29/2014 2:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff, be sure to request a fibrinogen level test when you get your blood work done. If it's high, consider adding some enzymes to your daily routine.

I know the pounding headaches of which you speak.
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