Infrared saunas

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seekingbalance
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   Posted 8/8/2010 12:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,

Wondering how you'd rate the degree of help/importance of infrared saunas. Do you see it as helping quite a bit? I used to love regular saunas, now too heat sensitive to go near one.
It seems if i can find a used one, maybe it's a good investment? Detox plus relaxation (the latter is hard for me to achieve)
Z.

cupcakes
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   Posted 8/8/2010 2:28 AM (GMT -6)   
For me I believe drinking plenty of water and going into an infrared sauna helped a lot, especially together with the antibiotics. However I only tried it for two weeks. I have had thoughts of purchasing one myself, however i don't know where to put it... If you get one, make sure you get one that you step inside, a proper one. Not one of those plastic things you sit in where your head sticks out.

Best wishes

Caldonia Sun
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   Posted 8/8/2010 6:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I've had one for a year now - portable. I think it helps as I sweat lots when using it.

jc27
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   Posted 8/8/2010 7:48 AM (GMT -6)   
I got a portable one from e-bay for $139.00.

GWB
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   Posted 8/8/2010 9:11 AM (GMT -6)   
For those of you who got the portable one, would you mind providing a link to where you got yours or the brand so I can check them out? Been wanting to get one for Rhonda and me.

Gary

seekingbalance
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   Posted 8/8/2010 9:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I was looking at Craigslist, saw a couple for $750...still not quite what i can do now, but aybe in the future.....
Z.

Deejavu
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   Posted 8/8/2010 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
I love my portable sauna with my head sticking out!  First I bought one on Ebay and it didn't work so I returned that and got back my money. 
 
I wanted the carbon, not the ceramic box heater so I bought this one from Amazon and I love it!  I'm glad my head sticks out as I wear headphones and listen to music as I sit inside.. (I also drink lots of water with lemon while inside). 
 
If you are a really tall person (I'm 5'6 unless I shrunk) you may want to get the larger one.  Mine came with the blue chair which works great for me and the foot roller thingy.    It also comes with a remote control and I can set the temperature for the heat as well as a timer.   And I really sweat after about 25 to 30 minutes...   If I had more money, I probably would have bought the larger one.. 
 
 
Hope this helps,
Denise
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   Posted 8/8/2010 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a lot of chemical sensitivities and must be very careful about the products I use. I believe in the health benefits of an IR sauna. For me, I would have concerns about sitting in a plastic chamber. Because of my health problems, I've done a lot of research on IR saunas. Most of the wooden ones are made in China and include caustic ingredients in the wood, in the heating elements, in the metal behind the heating elements, and to a lesser extent from the plastics inside (stereo, control, fixture). If you have normal tolerances, then these may work fine for you. I'm just posting this for any other people who may be very sensitive. I finally found two sauna companies - one in Canada, and one in the US, that make a product for people like me. The wood is unfinished, untreated, and sourced in clean forests. The ceramic heaters do not contain artificial ingredients and are backed by surgical-grade steel panels. One has no interior controls, the othre has a small plastic control inside. It's recommended to put the stereo on top of the sauna. They use glass windows in the doors, not plexiglass. Both have low EMF emissions. Neither is inexpensive. But in my case, it's either do this or don't do it at all.

Rose
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Mamyou
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   Posted 8/15/2010 8:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello All, I may have made a big mistake today, but it's made. I wish I had read this thread earlier. Was looking on Craigslist and came across a local person with an infrared sauna...reasonably priced...so I got it. It's a Waterstar and obviously one that's made in China. It's around 3 years old so I'm wondering if maybe it wouldn't be so toxic??? Willowrose has certainly cited all the reasons NOT to get one of these, but I'm wondering if anybody has one that uses it and doesn't have a reaction? It's now installed in my basement but I haven't used it yet. Now I'm concerned... Any positives about these??

Willowrose
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   Posted 8/15/2010 11:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Mamyou, I feel bad that my post has you hesitating about using your sauna. Have you looked up Waterstar on the internet and read about the materials they use? Do you know what kind of heaters your sauna has? You may be able to find out from the manufacturer or distributer what is in them.

What I've been told is that many saunas shipped here from China are sprayed with an anti-fungal agent before shipping. But not all of them are, as I confirmed just last week with a manufacturer based in the US but whose manufacturing plant is in China. I would think after three years of use, if your sauna was sprayed, that would have dissipated to a great extent by now. A complaint I've heard is that sprayed saunas smell like chemicals when they're heated up. If you've turned yours on and it doesn't smell bad, that could be a good sign. Do you know what kind of wood it is? Most people tolerate the different types of wood that saunas are made of without issue. I have a problem with cedar, always have, so a sauna made of that would not work for me, but many people love the aromatic properties of cedar for a sauna. My LLMD recommends to his patients a sauna made in China of "hemfir" wood. It has plastic controls inside and a plastic stereo is available as an upgrade. He's told me many of his patients have bought them and to his knowledge none has had an adverse reaction.

I've read on here many times of people successfully using portable saunas, some of which are made of plastic. I do not think that would work for me. I've severely limited my exposure to plastics in an attempt to curb physical reactions to so many things. That is not easy to do; our world is filled with products encased in plastics. Most people do not need to do this. I think Lyme and coinfections, toxins, and having been chronically ill for decades has made me hypersensitive both physically and cognitively. Just my opinion, but maybe the best thing is to try your sauna and see how you feel. I tried the one I am buying and actually felt energized after 25 minutes in there. It was awesome, and totally unexpected. I hope you have the same positive experience in yours!

Rose
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Mamyou
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   Posted 8/16/2010 9:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Willowrose.... Thank you for your post. I looked the sauna up and I found that it's an indoor model and should be made out of hemlock. The outdoor model is made out of fir....so I guess that's where your LLMD gets "hemfir". This unit has ceramic elements with metal behind them and the stereo is on the outside wall with a couple of speakers inside. There is an oxygen ionizer (whatever that means) you can turn on. The door is glass, not plastic. Even though it's an indoor model, the folks that owned it had it outside on a porch with a waterproof cover over all but the front. Surely anything that needed outgassed has outgassed by now. It's in the basement and the funny thing now is that I'm afraid of catching the house on fire!!!!! I told my husband the first few times I use it, he has to be here!!!!! So maybe it wasn't the mistake I thought it might be last night. The website is really talking up the carbon heaters vs. the ceramic ones. Do you know why??? They say less temperature and more effectiveness and they last longer. But I have the ceramic ones and it is what it is....

You say you've been chronically ill for decades...so have I....frustration doesn't begin to describe how I feel. But, like the sauna, it is what it is, and we have to keep going. I like your "I have Lyme; it doesn't have me"....although some days I wonder.

Thanks again for the info...'Til next time....

Willowrose
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   Posted 8/16/2010 10:49 PM (GMT -6)   
.Mamyou - There are many claims about ceramic versus carbon heaters in IR saunas. The ceramic heaters were the earlier technology. They are smaller and hotter than carbon heaters, and they need metal behind them to reflect the IR waves that travel out of the sides and back of the heaters into the sauna chamber. Because they get hotter, a cited drawback is that they are difficult to sit right in front of. There is also a claim that they are less able to provide evenly-distributed IR rays within the sauna because they are smaller, thus are less effective. Because carbon heaters are much larger, and do not get as hot, the proponents claim that they heat the sauna more evenly and more comfortably. They also claim that carbon heaters last for 15 years versus 10 years for a ceramic heater. One claim I saw is that because carbon heaters are made of carbon – also found in us – we more readily absorb the IR rays from a carbon heater than from a ceramic heater. But I did not see a reference to any study supporting that claim.

The proponents of ceramic heaters claim that theirs is the proven technology and that the medical studies supporting the benefits of IR saunas was based on tests using ceramic heaters. Also, the two sauna brands I found in my research that specifically touted their product as non-toxic and hypoallergenic (beyond just saying their wood was non-toxic) both used ceramic heaters which, they say, are pure because they are simple, made of glass and sand with embedded wires. They say that many carbon heaters are backed by fiberglass panels, or other materials that are not healthy. I was unable to get any manufacturer of saunas with carbon heaters to give me the complete list of materials used and therefore could not substantiate that they do not contain toxic substances.
So, maybe this newer technology of the carbon heaters is better able to disburse IR at a lower and more even heat, but the ceramic heaters were also effective and maybe are less likely to contain toxic substances. I’m still investigating, but so far I haven’t found anything backed by a credible study that proved one over the other.

Hope that helps. I look forward to hearing how you like it.

Rose.
I have Lyme; it doesn't have me.

hopefulinGA
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   Posted 8/17/2010 7:32 PM (GMT -6)   
BECAREFUL---ALL FIR SAUNAS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL!!
We just purchased a FIR sauna after several weeks of intensive research and "investigating". There are some great "salesmen" out there who will try to convince you of ANYTHING just to get you to buy theirs.
Two companies, we researched, who sell "carbon" heat models, and who claim their units are "made in the USA", are in fact, made in China!! (Sunlighten, being one of them)

The brand that Dr. Jernigan recommends in his book, is very good and uses ceramic heaters---very reliable and very low EM output (electromagnetic), which you don't need if you are already sick. Make sure you check out how much electromagnetic frequency they put out.

The brand we bought is called Heavenly Heat. My husband spent hours on the phone with the man who designs and makes them. He has been making them for over 25 years and knows FIR inside and out----from theory to heaters to wood types, finishes, glues, etc. etc. My husband is an engineer, but this guy blew his socks off with the depth of knowledge he has about the "science" of FIR. They are made in AZ---all parts and pieces from the US. And they use Poplar---no glues or chemicals. He said cedar is beautiful, but NOT if you are trying to detox from LYME! His own sister and brother-in-law have Lyme, so he is very knowledgeable about how to use them for treating Lyme disease. The heaters are ceramic and use a new technology for coating the rods and the plates behind the heaters are stainless steel, not tin, as a lot of units use.

The heaters in a FIR sauna should NOT go above head level!! So all these new "carbon" saunas out there, in order to get as much FIR rays as the traditional ceramic heaters, have to put the heaters all the way up the walls of the unit. You need the FIR directed on the core of your body---NOT your head.

All that to say, please be wary of high-pressure sales people ove the phone or by e-mail---I about never got rid of one! And remember---there is a reason that the Japanese have been using ceramic heaters for years....because they work! :)

hopefulinGA
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   Posted 8/17/2010 7:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Also---don't buy one that has anything made of "plastic" on the inside of it---even knobs on the stereo, etc. They will emit odors and toxins when heated.

hopefulinGA
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   Posted 8/17/2010 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's my sauna story. :) We just purchased a FIR sauna after several weeks of intensive research and "investigating". There are some great "salesmen" out there who will try to convince you of ANYTHING just to get you to buy theirs....and almost did!
Two of the companies we researched, who sell "carbon" heat models, and who claim their units are "made in the USA", are in fact, made in China. (Sunlighten, being one of them)

The brand that Dr. Jernigan recommends, High Tech Health, is very good and uses ceramic heaters---very reliable and very low EMF output (electromagnetic). They were about the same price as the one we chose.

The brand we bought is called Heavenly Heat. My husband spent hours on the phone with the man who designs and makes them. He has been making them for over 25 years and knows FIR inside and out----from theory to heaters to wood types, finishes, glues, etc. etc. My hubby is an engineer, but this guy really impressed him with the depth of knowledge he has about the "science" of FIR. The units are made in AZ---all parts and pieces from the US. And they use Poplar---no glues or chemicals. He said cedar is beautiful, but NOT if you are trying to detox from LYME. His own sister and brother-in-law have Lyme, so he is very knowledgeable about how to use them for treating Lyme disease. The heaters are ceramic and use a new technology for coating the rods and the plates behind the heaters are stainless steel, not tin, as a lot of the older units used. Three of the six heaters in the unit we bought are adjustable, which is really nice when you are first starting out.

It's also recommended that the FIR rays not go above head level---which many of the new "carbon" saunas do. They do that in order to get as much FIR rays as the traditional ceramic heaters. You really only need the FIR directed on the core of your body. The Japanese and Germans have been using ceramic heaters for years and as mentioned by someone else above, many of the scientific studies have been done using ceramic heaters.

Will let you know how I like mine in another 2 1/2 weeks. :)

Willowrose
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   Posted 8/17/2010 9:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi hopeful. I visited several sites where this sauna is listed and could not find published pricing. Do you know where that may be listed? This does look like a good product, similar to one I found in Canada.

Rose
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Willowrose
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   Posted 8/18/2010 1:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow, life is a journey. Just yesterday morning I placed a custom sauna order with a wonderful company that worked hard to make their product, already using nontoxic aspen wood (same as white poplar in the HeavenlyHeat unit) and non-toxic ceramic heaters with low EMF, even more non-toxic by moving the plastic control unit to the outside and replacing the plywood top and back with aspen. Then later in the day I saw hopeful's post on this thread. Somehow in my massive investigation over the last few months, I did not run across this brand of sauna and now that I've been in contact with them and seen their website I understand that it is just what I was looking for. I also learned more about sauna construction. I had not thought about glue (even glue touted as non-toxic can be problematic if you have chemical sensitivities) and the framing materials until I visited the HH website and talked with the owner/representative. It turns out the sauna I had ordered does use "nontoxic" glue and has pine framing; and pine is sappy and can cause problems. As a result of this new information I cancelled my order, somewhat guitily considering all the trouble they went to for me, and am now planning to go to the plant in AZ to see the HH unit before placing an order. One more positive - HH, like the company I'd originally ordered from, manufactures their units in the USA, which was important to me. The HH sauna is also less expensive than the one I had ordered, and has a better warranty. So, hopeful, I am grateful for your post.

Thanks!

Rose
I have Lyme; it doesn't have me.

IndiaBeth
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   Posted 9/6/2012 12:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all!
I was wondering about infrafred for my lyme. I just read an article that said the spirochetes hate the heat and it helps kill the off as well as remove toxins and heavy metals.

My concern is - when I'm in the sun too much I will be in horrible pain afterward and for days later. I had assumed that my Bartonella was flaring up and that the bacteria was actually growing from the heat and sun.

Do you suppose its some kind of herxing?

I'm so afraid of that kind of pain. And that was before I was taking antibiotics. So now that I'm on month 2 (of 12) and herxing from abx, what kind of pain will I be in adding the heat to it.

(Also, some abx make you sensitive to sun light.)

Any thoughts?

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   Posted 9/6/2012 12:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi IndiaBeth! I have Bartonella as well and am also on month 2 of antibiotics. I'd love to chat with you about how your feeling, what kind of symptoms your having/had, etc. Would you mind chatting for a bit via email at some point? I feel like everyone on here is either very newly diagnosed or waaayyy into treatment. I was feeling pretty good up until a week ago and now I'm tired all the time. Wondering if you are having a similar experience. I was also looking into the infared saunas so I'm waiting for someone to reply to your post to get some answers! My doctor suggested infared saunas so I'm thinking it will be ok. But I'd still love to hear of someone with Bart saying they did it and survived without pain! Skin burning is a major issue for me. Don't know if I want to put myself in the position of going overboard.
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