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madrivergirl30
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   Posted 8/21/2010 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
I get VERY overwhelmed reading some of these posts about supplements...it just seems like there are SO many options and supposedly beneficial herbs, vitamins, etc....but obviously it's not logical to take them all or I'd be taking hundreds of pills a day...

What I would love to know is what people think has been the MOST beneficial supplements, or if you had to choose the most important, what would you choose and why? Maybe this isn't a realistic question to ask, since I'm sure everyone is taking each supplement for good reason...

I have had Lyme for three years, am currently awaiting an herbal tincture because the Herxes from every antibiotic have been too severe (I've also tried Samento twice). I take vitamin C and high EPA fish oil...

Thank you!

Razzle
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   Posted 8/21/2010 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Magnesium, Calcium, MultiVitamin/Mineral supplement, digestive enzymes, probiotics, and fish oil are the most important for everyone in my opinion. Of next importance are specific supplements targeted for specific purposes, such as liver support herbs (milk thistle, dandelion, etc.), herbs/supplements that help with detox, herbs to break down biofilms (such as nattokinase, etc.), etc.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme & Bartonella, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
Meds:  IV Cipro, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Milk Thistle & other liver support herbs, Magnesium, Progessence+ (wild yam + essential oils), Moducare, homeopathy.

Traveler
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   Posted 8/21/2010 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   
The problem with your question is that - IMO - you will need supplements for what your body needs support for. We are all different in this, and yet there do seem to be some basics - as I'm finding out. This used to be a real source of frustration for me, but as JunkYardWilly said - give some a try, see how you tolerate them - but be sure to read up on each one you intend to start. Find good, reliable info so that you don't end up "undoing" any of your progress.

If you do not know how well your liver is doing, IMO, it would be wise to support it's functioning, although there are many different way to do so. Many here have taken or are taking Milk Thistle with good results.

Make sure you are not experiencing any symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue. If you are I would heavily suggest you consider Adrenal support. I take a homeopathic support for my adrenals & it can be purchased at a health food store.
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!!
May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP
Trav

Mamyou
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   Posted 8/21/2010 8:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler, I'm glad to see you're back. I've missed your posts.

Madrivergirl30 has an excellent question because I get overwhelmed trying to take what's best. I don't have any answers but my mind always goes back to what God has given us, and that's whole foods with living enzymes. I don't think God meant for us to swill white sugar, white flour and fast foods!!! Having said that, I am taking several probiotics and I also like to supplement with magnesium because I have trouble with feet and leg cramps. Calcium scares me and just recently there has been some flap about it showing up in the arteries. I have also heard that heart attacks in women rose sharply when the big push came about on calcium. Don't know who's right, but we all have to do what we think is best. I think I need a trace mineral supplement. I am also going to talk to my doctor about thyroid and adrenal support. I'm not even sure I have any adrenals left!!

Razzle, Thank you for your mention of Nattokinase. My doctor put me on it and I had no idea why. What you said about the biofilms makes me more willing to take it than just a "here, take this"!

As usual, thank you everybody for your posts. I've learned so much in the short time I've been on here.

Razzle
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   Posted 8/22/2010 8:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Calcium is only a problem when one is not getting enough magnesium.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme & Bartonella, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
Meds:  IV Cipro, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Milk Thistle & other liver support herbs, Magnesium, Progessence+ (wild yam + essential oils), Moducare, homeopathy.

achievinggrace
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   Posted 8/22/2010 8:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I found Magnesium and Vitamin B12 to be essential, as well as generous helpings of probiotics. I vary other supplements as I feel I need them and try to avoid taking anything for too long as it seems to help to switch them around for better effectiveness. For a couple days a month I don't take any supplements other than probiotics and a herbal cleanse to give my body a break from processing all that I take. It gives me a mental break as much as a physical one ... taking all these pills can make you feel like you are sick!

Deejavu
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   Posted 8/22/2010 8:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
Yes, it sure can get confusing on what supplements to take.  After much trial and error, I have been using Green Vibrance for years, it has most everything in it plus it has adaptens which means your body will use what it needs and discard what it does not need.
 
Here is the link (I buy mine from the Vitamin Shoppe) and also are the ingredients (this drink does taste like grass!) and I keep my jar in the freezer as it does contain probiotics:
 
 
(I believe every ingredient is certified organic):
 
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Scoop (11.27 g)
Servings per Container: about 30
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 44 *
Calories from Fat 10.29 *
Total Fat 1.14 g 2%
Saturated Fat 0 g 0%
Cholesterol 0 g 0%
Sodium 63 mg 2.6%
Potassium 198 mg 5.7%
Total Carbohydrate 5.9 g 2%
Dietary Fiber 3 g 12%
Sugars 0 g *
Protein 2.55 g *
Vitamin A 116%
Vitamin C 89%
Calcium 17.4%
Iron 14.4%
Vitamin B12 53%
Vitamin E 500%
Selenium 142%
Nutrient Dense, healing and support foods *
Spirulina (certified organic) 1500 mg *
Alfalfa grass juice powder (certified organic) 400 mg *
Barley Grass Juice Powder (certified organic) 400 mg *
Kamut grass juice powder (certified organic) 400 mg *
Oat grass juice powder (certified organic) 400 mg *
Wheat Grass Juice Powder (certified organic) 400 mg *
Hydrilla Verticillata (wild crafted) 500 mg *
Chlorella, pharmaceutical grade, soft cell 350 mg *
Alfalfa sprout powder (certified organic) 350 mg *
Parsley, freeze dried (certified organic) 250 mg *
Beet juice powder (certified organic) 200 mg *
Broccoli sprout powder (certified organic) 100 mg *
Royal jelly powder (6% 10 DHA, Chloramphenicol free) 150 mg *
Midwestern bee pollen 150 mg *
Spinach, freeze dried (certified organic) 100 mg *
Cell membrane & nerve support *
Soy lecithin powder 98% oil free 1400 mg *
Vitamin E (water dispersable d-alpha-tocopheryl succinate) 150 IU *
Policosinal (60% Octacosanol; from rice bran wax) 5 mg *
High fiber food & Prebiotics *
Larch arabinogalactan (FiberAid™ AG) 500 mg *
Stabilized Brown rice Bran 500 mg *
Fructo-Oligosaccharides 500 mg *
Whole Apple powder (organic) 250 mg *
Milled Flaxseed concentrate de-oiled (certified organic) 200 mg *
Antioxidants and Circulatory Support *
Wheat Sprout Powder (certified organic) 350 mg *
Acerola Berry Juice Powder 25% natural vitamin C) 200 mg *
Silymarin milk thistle extract 80% silybin (Silibum marianum) 60 mg *
Ginkgo Biloba Extract (24% ginkgoflavonglycosides/ 6% terpene lactones) 20 mg *
Green tea standardized extract (95% polyphenols, 80% catechins, 45% EGCG) 20 mg *
Grape seed standardized extract (95% polyphenols, 90% proanthocyanidins) 20 mg *
Adaptogens *
Schizandra berry extract 2% Schizandrin 100 mg *
Suma powder (Pfaffia paniculata) 60 mg *
Eleutherococcus senticosus extract 0.8% eleutherosides 60 mg *
Immune support *
Astragalus membranaceus extract 70% polysaccharides 60 mg *
Larch arabinogalactan (ImmunEnhancer AG) 30 mg *
Beta 1,3-1,6 glucans 90% (yeast) 30 mg *
Sea Vegetables complex (providing Iodine + trace minerals) *
Nova Scotia Dulse (certified organic) 360 mg *
Bladderwrack (wild harvested) 360 mg *
Rockweed (certified organic) 180 mg *
Probiotic Blend Eight (8) Dairy-Free Probiotic Cultures (18 billion total at date of manufacture) *
Lactobacillus rhamnosus HA-111 2.25 billion *
Lactobacillus rhamnosus B, HA-114 2.25 billion *
Lactobacillus acidophilus HA-122 4.5 billion *
Bifidobacterium bifidum HA-132 2.25 billion *
Bifidobacterium breve HA-129 2.25 billion *
Bifidobacterium longum HA-135 1.8 billion *
Lactobacillus helveticus HA-128 1.35 billion *
Lactobacillus paracasei HA-108 1.35 billion *
Enzyme complex *
Protease 4.5 (Aspergillus oryzae) 110 HUT *
Protease 6.0 (Aspergillus oryzae) 110 HUT *
Lipase (Aspergillus niger) 150 HUT *
Amylase (Aspergillus oryzae) 6 DU *
Invertase (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) 1 SU *
Cellulase (Trichoderma longbrachiatum) 7 CU *
Phyto-minerals *
Phyto-Boron (patented, from calcium fructo borate) 3 mg *
Phyto-Chromium (from Indian mustard, hydroponically grown) 80 mcg *
Phyto-Selenium (from Indian mustard, hydroponically grown) 50 mcg *
Tonics *
Ginger Root Powder (certified organic) 20 mg *
Cayenne pepper powder (certified organic) 2 mg *
Flavor *
Stevia leaf powder (certified organic) 73 mg *
*Daily value not established.
Free Of
Gluten Free.

Vibrant Health Green Vibrance Powder Directions

As a food, once each day - or more often if you would like - mix one rounded tablespoon scoop (enclosed) of Green Vibrance into 4 to 8 ounces of your favorite juice, rice, beverage or water. Stir briskly or shake briefly in a closed container until mixed. Drink, enjoy and prosper.

Proper Care and Storage: Green Vibrance contains more friendly, healthful probiotics than any other superfood. Please store Green Vibrance in your freezer (best) or refrigerator (good) after opening.
 
Hope this helps,
Denise

It's all about Detoxing Daily, strengthening the Immune System mixed with a dose of Positive Thinking!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA
 
Currently taking Estrovera, ProgX (progesterone), Adrenotone Plus, CoQ10, Vitamin B Total, C, Green Vibrance, CALM (Magnesium/Calcium)

Post Edited (Deejavu) : 8/22/2010 9:04:59 AM (GMT-6)


Traveler
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   Posted 8/22/2010 2:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Awww, thank you, Mamyou!!!
I have been feeling a bit better & needed to desperately do a few housekeeping chores to get caught back up & a couple of outside activities as well - but I do have to admit that I soooooo enjoyed having enough energy to do a few things without being essentially "chair bound" afterwards!!!
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!!
May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP
Trav

Razzle
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   Posted 8/23/2010 12:47 AM (GMT -6)   
about Green Vibrance...I don't understand how they can call this product gluten-free - it has WHEAT grass in it.  Wheat grass is wheat.  Period.  Therefore, it has gluten in it.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme & Bartonella, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
Meds:  IV Cipro, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Milk Thistle & other liver support herbs, Magnesium, Progessence+ (wild yam + essential oils), Moducare, homeopathy.

Deejavu
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   Posted 8/23/2010 4:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Razzle,
 
From what I have read it depends on how the wheat grasses are harvested.   I have read from many different sites that "wheat grass is harvested at the jointing stage before it turns into a grain. In this stage the grass does not contain any gluten. It is extremely rare for people with wheat allergies to react because they are usually allergic to the gluten found in the wheat kernel."
 
Actually wheat grass juice has so many benefits:
 
 
Denise
It's all about Detoxing Daily, strengthening the Immune System mixed with a dose of Positive Thinking!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA
 
Currently taking Estrovera, ProgX (progesterone), Adrenotone Plus, CoQ10, Vitamin B Total, C, Green Vibrance, CALM (Magnesium/Calcium)

Razzle
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   Posted 8/23/2010 7:01 AM (GMT -6)   
But how do you know for sure the grass was harvested before it developed seeds? This issue has come up in Celiac forums before and the general consensus is that, unless you are holding the grass in your hand to verify there are no seeds, there is no sure way to know the wheat grass is free of the seeds, and thus it is too big a risk for those with Celiac (or wheat allergy) to eat products containing wheat grass. So use these products at your own risk...
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme & Bartonella, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
Meds:  IV Cipro, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Milk Thistle & other liver support herbs, Magnesium, Progessence+ (wild yam + essential oils), Moducare, homeopathy.

Mamyou
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   Posted 8/23/2010 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Razzle, Good point but take all this a step further. It's a matter of trusting the manufacturer...how do we know all the vegetables and meat and eggs are organic that are labeled as such??? I've had a problem with all this for years...we are not guaranteed anything from anybody (the unholy dollar) so if you're extremely sensitive to gluten, then you have to make other choices. I've been on the Vitamin Shoppe website today and I think I'm going to order some Green Vibrance. There is another brand that specifies "organic" but it doesn't look like it has all the ingredients the GV has. Besides, Deejavu has a track record with this one....Thanks for the listing.
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