Armour for thyroid disease

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Simela
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   Posted 8/23/2010 10:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Does anyone take Armour for  thyroid disease?  I have been taken Levothyroxine for about 5 years and my thyroid is all over the place.  my prescription was recently increased to 100.  Even with medication, my thyroid has not been in check for years.  I suspect the lyme is and has been playing games with it, but I have not been tested for lyme until 2 years ago, and I will never know if the Lyme caused the thyroid problem since I don't know when I got bit.   THanks!

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   Posted 8/23/2010 10:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Simela,
So sorry to hear that you are having issues with your thyroid. I have Hashi's & take the Levothyroxine. What I wanted to ask is do you know how your adrenal glands are doing? There is a connection between the thyroid & adrenals when you are dealing with chronic issues.

Here is a link to some info on adrenal fatigue;
thyroid.about.com/cs/endocrinology/a/adrenalfatigue.htm


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   Posted 8/23/2010 12:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Although I know a few people who do well with a t4 supplement only (synthroid, levo, etc), most I know do well on armour or another nth (naturally dessicated thyroid). I take armour and have been using it for over two years now (or is it three?). I have met many who have switched from their T4 only to an NTH as it provides not just the T4, but T3, T2 and T1.
www.stopthethyroidmadness.com is a very informative site as is www.realthyroidhelp.com, both support natural thyroid supplementation.
 
The first link will also have information on adrenals. Adrenal treatment for lyme is very controversial, some agree with it, some do not. You will be the only one who can make that decision.

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   Posted 8/23/2010 1:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Trav:

I have no idea how my adrenal glands are doing. Is there a test or lab work for this? I do not know that much about the adrenals--I will admit I know close to nothing.! I have a physical on the Sept 3rd, so what do you think I should ask for (tests)?

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   Posted 8/23/2010 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
OneWearyChick

Thanks for the links. It is too hard for my to follow. I am having a terrible day today. Do you know of any tests for the adrenals that I should ask for when I see my PCP?

I have days when I feel I am a dead person walking. Today is one of those days. I slept 9 hours and I feel I haven't slept in a week. I feel exausted by doing little things eg. getting the baby upstairs in her crib for a nap.

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   Posted 8/23/2010 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Simela - sorry you are feeling so bad - hope the day gets better for you.
 
Some believe saliva test are the best method for testing adrenals, however some believe blood is - by blood is the 8 a.m. cortisol to be done fasting (and no smoking if you smoke) as close to that time as possible. If you go to zrtlabs.com and search under their physicians you may find a local physician who does the saliva testing (thereby having a greater chance of insurance paying for it).
 
So that you aren't searching through the sites I linked previously, here is some fast info when you feel up to it.
 
 
 
 
 

Did you know that there were deca­des of suc­cess­ful treat­ment for hypothy­roid that invol­ved nothing more than dosing you by symp­toms?  The TSH lab didn’t even come into exis­tence until the mid-1970’s.

Today, the tables have com­ple­tely tur­ned. We now live in a lab-obsessed society, where most doc­tors com­ple­tely ignore your thy­roid symp­toms and make your man-made lab results the holy grail of diag­no­sis. And diag­no­sis and treat­ment based solely on lab­work for thy­roid is a con­sis­tent fai­lure, lea­ving millions of patient either undiag­no­sed, or under­trea­ted.

Even worse, when labs are used, the majo­rity of doc­tors are only doing the TSH (thy­roid sti­mu­la­ting hor­mone) and total T4 to diag­nose or treat you, neither which give an accu­rate clue to your hypothy­roid con­di­tion. Addi­tio­nally, ran­ges are made the “end-all” of nor­malcy. Who rea­ding this hasn’t been told they are “nor­mal” because an ink spot on a piece of paper falls within a dubious range, yet your body screams with NON-normal symptoms?

So…when you visit your doc­tor, you have to be outs­po­ken about your symp­toms. Symp­toms should be the con­duc­tor of the orches­tra, and labs are simply adjuncts for more know­ledge. Then, when labs are men­tio­ned, below are those we recom­mend you insist to your doc­tor that you want. Farther down, you can see expla­na­tions of all labs.

* TSH But this lab is only for diag­no­sis of hypo­pi­tui­tary, NOT to diag­nose or dose your hypo by.
* Free T4 and Free T3 (note the word “free” – important.)
* Thy­roid Anti­bo­dies (anti-TPO and TgAb. YOU NEED BOTH.)

And add these in, since they can be low in thy­roid patients:

* Ferri­tin (and do stress FERRITIN, not just RBC)
* Adre­nal Cor­ti­sol levels (but we strongly recom­mend saliva tests, not the one time blood test your doc­tor will do. See below, because you don’t need a presc­rip­tion)
* B-12 and Folate
*RBC Mag­ne­sium and Potas­sium
* Vita­min D (25-hydroxyvitamin D lab test…plus others your doc­tor may recommend.

* Reverse T3 (to be tes­ted when your Free T4 is in the upper part of the range with con­ti­nuing symp­toms. You need to do it at the same time you do free T3 to mea­sure the ratio)

 

 

If you go to the site (linked above) there is additional information for legitmate testing facilities (if you want or need to test w/o a physician)

 


Post Edited (OneWearyChick) : 8/23/2010 2:29:01 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/23/2010 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
from realthyroidhelp.com site / TSH & Labs forum http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1979
 
These are recommended:

* TSH
* Free T4 and Free T3 (note the word “free”)
* Thyroid Antibodies (anti-TPO and TgAb. YOU NEED BOTH.)
* Ferritin (not just hemoglobin)
* B-12
* Reverse T3
* Vitamin D ( specifically "25(OH)D", also called 25-hydroxyvitamin D)

VERY VERY Strongly Recommended:
ASI (Adrenal Stress Index)--the best value we've seen is from DiagnosTechs at <!-- m -->
http://www.canaryclub.org<!-- m --> where you get thyroid, adrenal and sex hormones tested for $141.

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   Posted 8/23/2010 3:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I am pretty sure I have had the TSH and the free T3 and T4 checked but not the others. I will have to do some work on the others, thanks!

I also found this link: http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamesadrenal.htm

I read through it, but since my brain feels like is fried right now, I will have to come back to it later and re-read it. It should not be challenging for me to read, I have read much more "dense" stuff before, so it must be the fact I am having a particular bad day today... Hopefully tomorrow will be better. THis brain fog thing bugs me more than the pain...

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   Posted 8/23/2010 4:40 PM (GMT -6)   
From what I have read, I didn't think that adrenal testing was very accurate?

I take a homoepathic adrenal supplement that has been helping me. I started taking it after my acu doc told me that I was nearing adrenal exhaustion.
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   Posted 8/23/2010 5:18 PM (GMT -6)   
From what I have read, I didn't think that adrenal testing was very accurate?

I take a homoepathic adrenal supplement that has been helping me. I started taking it after my acu doc told me that I was nearing adrenal exhaustion.
 
Traveler, which test? I think both are accurate to some degree. Maybe the blood tests(including the stim) are more acceptable because most doctors are more familiar with them. But.............I know of some pretty good doctors who only treat by saliva.
 
Which supplement are you using? Some people do fine this route, but some actually need hc replacement (a completly different thread which I think has already been done here smilewinkgrin )

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   Posted 8/23/2010 5:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I was never given a saliva test. I must ask for that next time on the 3rd, when I will see my PCP. I am so sick of this! Drs should tell me what to do and what tests I need, not the other way around.

Trav:
Which supplement do you take?

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   Posted 8/24/2010 2:00 PM (GMT -6)   
What I take for my adrenals is a homeo remedy - NatraBio's Adrenal Support. I only take it 3 times a day and it comes in a box of 60, & each box costs me about $10. So it costs me $10 every 20 days. After being on it for just over a month, it's more than worth the cost for me.

Oneweary,
I got the impression that the testing methods were not really accurate just by doing a bunch of reading on the subject. The things that were said about the testing was that there really was no good way to 'catch' adrenal fatigue before it turns into adrenal exhaustion - which is a place I have no desire to go.

Is the information that I was reading wrong??? Please do tell me if you feel it is, as then I will read a bunch more on the subject.
Thank you!!
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!!
May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP
Trav

Simela
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   Posted 8/24/2010 4:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Trav:
It is also my understanding (from my own reading) that the tests are not reliable, although I have never had them done.

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   Posted 8/24/2010 4:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Oneweary,
I got the impression that the testing methods were not really accurate just by doing a bunch of reading on the subject. The things that were said about the testing was that there really was no good way to 'catch' adrenal fatigue before it turns into adrenal exhaustion - which is a place I have no desire to go.

Is the information that I was reading wrong??? Please do tell me if you feel it is, as then I will read a bunch more on the subject.
Thank you
!!
 
Trav:
It is also my understanding (from my own reading) that the tests are not reliable, although I have never had them done.
 
I'm not sure if you are questioning the saliva or the blood test or both, but, yes, I think although they are more "modern thinking" that saliva tests are fairly accurate, especially when done 4x throughout the day, and absolutely blood tests are. There are doctors who recognize adrenal fatigue (before becoming Addisons) and treat it. One of the first books I read after becoming sick was James Wilson's Adrenal Fatigue the 21st Century Syndrome (I think that is the exact title). I didn't like his products, but loved the information in his book - very helpful.
 
I think, it is imperative to treat all "imbalances" for one to truly heal and more often than not, chronic illnesses cause multiple imbalances, nutritionally, hormonally, etc. There are reliable tests available to help us determine what we need.
 
 
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