I don't get this: Why is not everyone using rife machines?

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Simela
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   Posted 9/3/2010 10:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't understand why more people are not using rife mashines.  They don't seem to be harmful (eg as abx are), so why not try them?

I am interested in learning more about the rife machines.  Did any of you use them successfully and where did you buy yours from?  I am breastfeeding and would like to continue for a few more months, so I would like to try to use a rife machine, at least to get me through these next few months, until I can take stronger abx.

Also, do they only kill the spirochets, or do they kill all forms of Lyme bacteria?

Thanks!

Post Edited (Simela) : 9/3/2010 10:10:00 PM (GMT-6)


Razzle
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   Posted 9/4/2010 6:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Not everyone has access to one, or the funds to purchase one. I tried one and had a bad reaction to the ozone the particular model gave off (I'm chemically sensitive to ozone).
-Razzle
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diaba
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   Posted 9/4/2010 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I thought it was going to be the treatment for me, I read an entire book about it. But got a high pitched electricity sound in both of my ears after a one-time use of a computer rife machine. I still have the sound over 6 months after.

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   Posted 9/4/2010 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Diab & Razzle have stated the reasons why I haven't used one.
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Simela
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   Posted 9/4/2010 5:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh, so sorry it didn't work for you! Well, I figured the abx are expensive also AND they damage other good things inside us, so I would like to get the rife machine if it works. I found people on a different forum last night that seem to do well with it and gave up abx after a while. They are saying they still do the rife at least once every other week. But some have taken no abx in several years and they haven't relapsed!

Diaba:
This is perhaps a silly ?, but would it help if I use something to cover my ears while using the machine, or the sound would still be "felt"? I know what you mean, my baby is screaming--she thinks is funny! My left ear became v. sensitive to noise. I now cover my ear with my palm, when I know a heavy sound is coming my way!

diaba
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   Posted 9/4/2010 6:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Actually the machine didn't make any noise I could hear, it's like the electricity from the machine somehow stayed in my ears. It's kind of like what you hear near power lines, but higher pitched. If it wasn't for that, I would have kept using it, I thought it looked very promising.

Simela
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   Posted 9/4/2010 8:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for clarifying, Diaba!
I guess it is not for everyone :( DId you purchase one, or you did it at the doc's office? Did you buy it (WHERE?) and hooked it to your computer? Thanks!

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Razzle:
I tried one and had a bad reaction to the ozone the particular model gave off (I'm chemically sensitive to ozone).
Do they all give off ozone? That was not my understanding from what I have read. DId you use a fancier one at your doc's office?
Thanks!

diaba
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   Posted 9/5/2010 11:46 AM (GMT -6)   
I tried it at my drs office, I had planned on buying one. Maybe try one that isn't computer based? In the book by Rosner he did mention that some can become electro-sensitive, not sure if that's what's going on with me. But I'm highly sensitive to everything so don't let my experience discourage you, just learn as much as you can and pay attention to how your body reacts.

Simela
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   Posted 9/5/2010 12:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for your response, Diaba.

I found this link and I became very encouraged by the info:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=088778;p=0

I just started reading--there are 20 pages, and I only read 2! It is overwhelming, but some seem to have had + results with it and gave up abx. I am still reading through and absorbing as much as I can. I will have my husband printing it on Tuesday and highlight what is imp. bec it is too much for me to absorb right now. I also found out there is someone that builds them for very little $, so I am still reading and hoping I will find out whom that someone is. I have heard that some people had built their own and were happy with the results. Electro-sensitivity is something that I guess has to be outweight, but Abx are doing harm as well...

I was also reading on lymenet that someone had to do IV and later on found out the insurance did not pay for 7 weeks of the treatement (they only covered 5 weeks). THat person had to come up with over $10,000! Still, it seems that abx don't work as bullet proof if not cought early... In the long run, I thing abx is more expensive than the machine, esp if one builds its own! Husband knows electical engineering , so he will build one for me if I figure out that's the route I want to go. I would not do a computer based one, I will just keep reading the info in the link I listed to see which model most people were happy with and why. THey even list the frequencies they are doing, which is awesome! I also have to buy the Rosner book and there is some other book they are talking about by a lady--I forgot her name but they bring it up in the thrend.

Thanks everyone for your input!

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   Posted 9/5/2010 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been doing a lot of research about rife machines because my initial reaction was that the combination of rife and IR sauna/detox bath would be good for killing bugs and getting out resulting toxins. The thread on the other forum you mention is filled with information, but if you are like me, mostly that just raised more questions about what to get and how to use it. And then there's the rife-like machines such as the one used at Hansa; would one of those be better? I have access to something like that in my area. Because there's no sure thing out there, it seems to me most everything I consider is a gamble.

Where I am right now - and I'm glad to see this thread to see if something new crops up - is that I want to see one and use it a time or two to be sure I can tolerate it before I buy one. I've been told to start very slowly with short sessions far apart, and to work up from that to avoid awful herx responses. But even at a low start I think I'd get some idea of whether or not this could work for me. To purchase a quality rife machine is definitely an investment. Best I can figure somewhere between $1700 to 4000 and more, depending on power, flexibility, and features. Most of the ones I found also require the purchaser to assemble them to some extent. Then, you have to be savvy enough to understand the frequency codes and to set the machine correctly. That all seemed very technical as I was sifting through people's favorite frequency combinations. I'm wondering how one would know, really, if the thing is putting out the correct frequency. Is there a tester?

I asked my LLMD about rife machines last week at my appointment. He was very non-commital in his response. He said some people seem helped by them, and some not, but that people's experience could be attributed in part to which rife machine they bought, whether they set and used it correctly, and what they are infected with. Sigh - same old story. He did not have any recommendation beyond suggesting that I go on the lyme forums to see what other people were saying, which I'd already done ad nauseum.

I hope you will post more as you learn more. I will continue to do research until I am sure this is something worth spending our limited funds on. It does seem exciting in concept; I'd so much like to get off the meds and onto something healthier. And being tied to a rife machine for the rest of my life to keep these bugs at bay is much more attractive to me than a commitment to a lifetime of abx.

Rose
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Simela
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   Posted 9/6/2010 11:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Rose, I haven't read anything else. I thought more people here would jump in and give us some good news about it. You can read the link I posted in the post right before yours and let me know what you think. There is a lot of info there. Maybe we can exchange ideas. The link is full of comments from users of rife machines on a different forum and I found it very helpful. We can also post ? there. Some people may be sensitive to it, but it seems to work well for so many others, so I would like to give it a try. I am also considering having my husband built one--that way if I don't like it, I won't waste too much money.

If you find any info that is useful, please share it.

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   Posted 9/6/2010 3:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Simela, When we first got introduced to rife machines, we felt the same as you do and wondered why more people aren't using them? Then I read the following:
 
Why rife may not work for some people
 Here's a list of possible reasons. It should be noted that some of these reasons are not unique to rife and may also explain why some people don't get better using antibiotics.
  • They don't actually have Lyme--they have some other condition or infection that mimics Lyme symptoms
  • They have one or more untreated co-infections along with Lyme
  • They have other illnesses overloading their immune system
  • Their rife machines are not of sufficient quality/power to be effective
  • They use the machine incorrectly
  • They are using the wrong frequencies (or different strains of the bugs require different frequencies?)
  • Their rifing protocol (frequency of treatment, duration of treatment, frequencies used) is flawed in some way
  • Rifing takes a long term commitment and discipline--many lymies just can't do it
  • They can't stand the strong or long herxes and give up
  • They are still using antibiotics, which interferes with the effectiveness of rife
  • Their bad diet interferes or slows progress
  • The duration and intensity of their infection

We own two rife/coil machines and so far so good.  If you wish more info. , my email is posted. yeah

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Simela
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   Posted 9/6/2010 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
allieann

Thanks for the info! May I ask what machines you are using? I will think about other questions and email you. Thanks again!

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   Posted 9/7/2010 3:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Simela,
 
It is my understanding that not all rife or rife-like machines give off ozone.  I used a rife machine that someone let me use at their house.  It had 2 methods for using it, one was holding two glass tubes, the other was sitting in front of a device that looked like a lamp shade.  It was the lamp shade device that gave off the ozone.  I did not feel any different from holding the glass tubes.
 
From what I understand, the broadcasting units (like the lamp shade thing) work better than the ones with devices (such as glass tubes) you have to hold in your hands.
 
Some people in a local support group have had good results with different machines, such as EMEM or doug coil machines.  Have not heard good things about the machines that do not require any hardware other than a computer (i.e., a "software" rife machine).
 
You might also want to check out www.royalrife.com - there is some interesting info on there.
 

Simela
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   Posted 9/7/2010 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Razzle:
I would not mess up with holding stuff--the lamp shade thing sounds much better! Thanks for the link, I will check it out. I have heard good things about EMEM or doug coil machines, and still have to read more about it until I can make a decission to invest in one. I would rather do this, than putting more junk in my body from abx. It seems in works as good maintanance for a lot of people after they finish off the abx treatement. Many claim they have not relapsed.

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   Posted 9/7/2010 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I have not tried a doug coil machine but am considering doing so...if I can find someone who has one who is willing to let me try their machine (I think there is someone in the local Lyme group who has one, but I haven't asked around yet).

Yes, if Rife technology is helpful, it certainly is a better way to go than being on antibiotics long-term.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme & Bartonella, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN via PICC (trying again to wean off the TPN).
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   Posted 9/7/2010 1:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Simela, I have seen a lot on u-tube about different machines and how to use them.  Although one u-tube video said a person sits in front of a coil machine, I have heard elsewhere that the coil is placed on the body for use.  I hope I can find one without ozone; there's no point in adding more things to which I could be sensitive. 
 
Hope you had a good weekend.
 
Rose

Simela
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   Posted 9/7/2010 1:54 PM (GMT -6)   
ROSE:

Isn't the ozone beneficial, if you can tolerate it?

RAZZLE:
IF my llmd has one in his office, maybe I can try it before purchasing. I would love to try one first!

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   Posted 9/7/2010 4:42 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't tried because I don't know how safe they are. I don't want to cause more problems. It must mess with your DNA to some degree right? I'm just a bit nervous to try.

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   Posted 9/7/2010 8:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Simela, I'm pretty sure the ozone is available separately. I've read some detrimental things about ozone creators. I'd just rather have control over that and not feel like I don't want to use the rife machine because I am concerned about the ozone feature. Some IR saunas are available with an ozonator, but same issue for me - why take a chance?

I've never read about rife causing DNA disturbances, Lovelabs. Do you know where you read that? I'd be interested in finding out more about it.

Rose
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Lovelabs
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   Posted 9/8/2010 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
I didn't read it anywhere. Just assumed it may.

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   Posted 2/21/2017 5:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Razzle said...
Not everyone has access to one, or the funds to purchase one. I tried one and had a bad reaction to the ozone the particular model gave off (I'm chemically sensitive to ozone).


was the model the true rife f-117? and when you say sensitive, was it lung irritation?

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   Posted 2/21/2017 5:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't even heard of rife until I got on this forum. Out of the 20+ doctors I've seen not one is familiar with Rife. anyone Dr in MD/DC/VA that does Rife?i'd love to try.

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   Posted 2/21/2017 5:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Jacob D.D said...
Razzle said...
Not everyone has access to one, or the funds to purchase one. I tried one and had a bad reaction to the ozone the particular model gave off (I'm chemically sensitive to ozone).


was the model the true rife f-117? and when you say sensitive, was it lung irritation?
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