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bucci
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   Posted 1/14/2011 3:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Is anyone taking tramadol?

I am thinking of switching off the roxy codone to tramadol.

Has anyone ever done that?

Is tramadol addicting? is it like celexa?

I am in so much pain but also have such poor brain function. I know I need seratonin but don't want to start
with antidepressants on top of roxy.

I started taking essential oil baths twice a day and doing castor oil packs and coffee eneas and wheat grass.

I have got to get my liver enzymes down and the pain pills isn't helping matters.

I want to minimize my coctail. Last night I put a 100mg fentynol patch on and NOTHING. I waited 6 hours before I finally took 5mg roxy.


I was taking buprenorphine half a mg a day to get off the Roxy but it wasn't cuttng the pain.
and I am positive it wasn't withdrawl. The buprenorphine works great for that and at a very minimal dose but it is hard on the liver. You take it under tongue and it makes me very tired too.

I jsut want to be able to function in my head. and not have to take adderal either.

all these pills along with the cortizone alter my personality.

All-Seeing Eye
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   Posted 1/14/2011 4:06 PM (GMT -6)   
i think tramadol isn't a traditional opiate. it works by modifying your neurotransmitters much like an antidepressant. I've heard reports from people that it is less addicting but also reports from people that it is much MORE psychologically addicting because it is such a long-lasting med.

It's interesting that you say that the cortizone alters your personality. I recently had trouble with a hemorrhoid and I asked my LLMD if he could presribe me a cream to help with the stinging pain. He said that hydrocortizone cream should NOT be used with lyme patients because it weakens the immune system.

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   Posted 1/14/2011 5:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I am fairly well aquainted with tramadol - smilewinkgrin . I have been taking it on & off for a few years now.
Tramadol is Ultram without the acetaminophen (Tylenol).

According to WebMD - "This medication is used to help relieve moderate to moderately severe pain. Tramadol is similar to narcotic analgesics. It works in the brain to change how your body feels and responds to pain."

www.webmd.com/drugs/mono-5239-TRAMADOL+-+ORAL.aspx?drugid=4398&drugname=tramadol+Oral&source=2

It only works for some pain for me (not the nerve pain), & I have never had any issues with side effects from it - but I will not take more than 150 mgs at a time, or more than 2 doses a day as I don't want to have to go to a pain clinic.

My doc doesn't want to prescribe the extended release form of this (Ultram ER), as he doesn't believe it is enough to take on the kind of pain that I have when I do need something stronger.

I hope this helps a bit, Bucci!! I have not been on the pain meds you are talking about, so I have no idea how it compares to them.
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CajunGrl
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   Posted 1/14/2011 5:21 PM (GMT -6)   
If you are in severe pain, I wouldn't suggest taking Tramadol all the time. It does not help me at all when the pain gets really bad and I've been on it for two years. What my doctor is doing now is letting me stay on the Tramadol for the days the pain is tolerable and he prescibed Oxycodone for the days I am hurting really bad. Maybe you can ask your doctor to do that.
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Razzle
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   Posted 1/14/2011 5:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Nice to know Tramadol does not work on nerve pain...a dumb doctor 10 yrs. ago rx'd me Tramadol (Ultram) for RSD (severe nerve pain disorder) and when I told the doc it didn't do anything, he didn't believe me. Thanks for clearing this up for me - this was a mystery to me for a long time.
-Razzle

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CajunGrl
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   Posted 1/14/2011 5:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Razzle,

My family doctor told me that Tramdol was like taking candy. I admit that it does work some. It takes the edge off, but for severe pain, it does nothing. Even if it did work for nerve pain, I couldn't imagine a doctor prescribing that.
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Razzle
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   Posted 1/14/2011 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
RSD is somewhat like Lyme in that many doctors are clueless about it, and many don't believe it really exists (the whole "all in the patient's head" thing). Thankfully, I finally (after 4 years of severe pain) found a doctor who believed me and was able to put my pain into remission. And it stays in remission as long as I get some kind of physical exercise (something that uses my feet & legs, since that's where my RSD was) on a regular basis.

Thanks & take care,
-Razzle

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rosesinjanuary
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   Posted 1/14/2011 5:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi
tramadol is like an inert substance, for me, Maybe it does something for others, i hope so. Razzle!! mine didn't taste at all!!

Dagger
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   Posted 1/14/2011 6:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been taking tramadol on and off for a few years now for abdominal pain due to adhesions and endometriosis. I find that it helps with the bone pain and muscle pain but only dulls nerve pain a bit.

I like it better than vicoden and percacet because it lasts longer making it better for me at night.

I used to take the tramadol for two weeks out of the month and eventually started to have withdrawal symptoms whenever I stopped it. If you take it daily, even at a low dose, you may have withdrawal symptoms when you stop.

bucci
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   Posted 1/14/2011 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks gang. Yes All seeing Eye your doc is right about cortisone but some of us are so way down the pike here that we were given even prednisone for the various autoimmune disasters created from the Lyme. I finally got off the prednisone and still take cortisone . I don't know how low I can get on the cortisone. I'm taking too much. 20 mg twice a day. I'm getting down to almost half that but whipped out.
Cajun the Roxy is oxycodone 5mg for instant break through pain. It is the only thing that kills my nerve pain. I stay away from time release anything. My system isn't consistent in the breakdown. When I need to find my brain and some energy I take 5mg adderal.
Too much pharmaceuticals. Plus I take at least 5 different supplements a day.

It's so distructive taking this crap and thinking I'm gonna get myself well.
Now all I do is everything to counteract the side effects of the pain meds.
Constipation is worst thing and takes your energy down. And the depression in the lungs and emotions is so debilitating.

I'm really tired of the whole thing and don't see life as making sense.it has gotten to be a very questionable existence.

At this point, unable to sustain a relationship or work it gets harder to find an excuse to fight. I am not myself on all these drugs and still always sick.

I don't even know who I am anymore.

I'm going to try heating up my room and do hot yoga. And maybe work my way up to being able to do it without being sick for a week.
after over 20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHPV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,

Razzle
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   Posted 1/15/2011 3:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Bucci,

I hope you didn't taper the cortisone too quickly...the longer one is on this stuff, the slower the taper has to be, or you can throw yourself into adrenal crisis (life-threatening).

My DH has been on steroids for over 12 years (he has an extensive list of food allergies that cause him to experience gastrointestinal anaphylaxis and he cannot eat anything at all without taking the steroids) and he has to taper very, very, very slowly if he tries to reduce his dose at all. We have found that he needs to taper by 1mg increments, one time per month (or even slower...). If he tapers too quickly, he winds up hospitalized with exhaustion, fever, migraine, vomiting and dehydration from the adrenal crisis.

Also, I will say it again: I think Homeopathic Belladonna may be helpful for you when/if you attempt to get off the roxy. It may even help now with some of the side-effects, I don't know. And the Belladonna (homeopathic) may also help reduce the pain...

Another homeopathic remedy to consider is Hypericum. I have a high potency of this remedy that has been helpful for my own nerve-related Lyme pain. This remedy is reported to have pain relieving power that is equal or greater than morphine in the reference book I have...and I know for a fact that the Hypericum will not cause the side-effects that the prescription pain meds can...

I hope this is helpful....take care,
-Razzle

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bucci
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   Posted 1/15/2011 5:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Razz, I ordered the birion belladon and hypercium an menorrihium at my doc today. She gave me hanuman brand menorrihium today 200 frequency an d didn't feel anything and I always do with boron brand.

What do you think it means if my blood levels are high in AM and PM cortisol?
You think my immune system is fighting back?

You think it easier to drop off ??
after over 20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHPV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,

Razzle
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   Posted 1/15/2011 6:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Blood levels of cortisol are probably high due to the cortisol medication.

"You think it easier to drop off ??" -- Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking about tapering steroids, or ?
-Razzle

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Meds: Ceftin, Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Milk Thistle, homeopathy, probiotics, etc.

Tala3
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   Posted 1/15/2011 10:05 AM (GMT -6)   
I also have been taking Tramadol for over a year. It helps me a great deal when it is only moderate pain. If the pain is severe, I have to double the dose for any effect at all and then I have side effects (feel kind of drunk, like what gabapentin does to me). Gabapentin seemed to work well for the pain, but I couldn't tolerate the side effects. So many of these meds totally depend on the individual for how well they work and the side effects; what works great for one doesn't work at all for another. Doesn't mean one person's pain is any worse than the other's, it's just how each individual meshes with the particular drug; same goes for dosing - a large dose doesn't necessarily mean worse pain, just what that particular person's body needs to meet the need. Sometimes people get caught up in how many milligrams of whatever they need, not realizing a lot depends purely on their own physiology, not necessarily the degree of severity (I had this explained to me by my doc, I didn't come up with it on my own). Tramadol also gives me bad headaches, so I always take it with a couple of ibuprofen. Usually ibuprofen does nothing for headaches for me, but I think it works because I take it before the headache sets in. Don't like taking Tylenol unless I have to because it's harder on the liver and I figure we have to baby our livers a bit with all the stuff we are taking!

Traveler
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   Posted 1/15/2011 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   
What a great explanation, Tala!!
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I break my posts up so that I can read them easier. I have neuro LD & the print actually dances around if the paragraphs are very long. Thank you for understanding.

bucci
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   Posted 1/15/2011 3:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes. What one tiny woman takes for a migrant can knock a football player flat out.

Raz, yes I am trying to taper off cortisone but it increases pain and exhaustion.
after over 20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHPV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,
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