PARACELSUS CLINIC...DR RAU?

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pete_z
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   Posted 1/26/2011 3:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone been to the Paracelsus clinic in switzerland and followed Dr Rau's protocol for Chronic Lymes?
was it any help?
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Deejavu
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   Posted 1/26/2011 5:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi pete,
 
Welcome!  I got well using Dr. Jernigan's protocol (from his book) and he studied with Dr. Rau.  Dr. Rau has 5 youtube video's at the Marion Institute where he talks about lyme disease.  Each segment is quite lengthy but very interesting if you have the time to listen...
 
Below is part 1 (you can easily find the other 4 after listening to the first one):
 
 
It may be helpful if you read Dr. Jernigan's book and he has a clinic in Kansas (I never went) and a protocol in his book:
 
 
Knowledge is power and the more one educates themselves, the better.
 
Hope this helps!
Denise
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pete_z
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   Posted 1/26/2011 6:48 PM (GMT -6)   
thank denise
I watched the videos on jennas blog which got me turned onto his clinic
seriously thinking about taking out a loan and going over there because after all these years nothing else has helped

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   Posted 1/26/2011 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi pete,
 
You are welcome..  If I was going to a clinic, it would be the Hansa Center since Dr. Jernigan learned much from Dr. Rau and then some.. I don't know the cost of the treatment in Switzerland but I believe it costs about $10,000 to go to the Hansa Center for 2 weeks.  I also think the Hansa Center takes carecredit.com but I'm not sure.
 
I know many who went to the Hansa Center and got their lives back again.  I guess I was lucky that I got better following Dr. J's protocol from his book.
 
Let us know what you decide okay and hang in there!  You can and will get better.
 
Denise
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bauhaus
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   Posted 1/28/2011 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   

 

thankyou Deejavu for posting about Dr Rau. i think he has it RIGHT ON!

i highly recommend everyone watch he U TUBE of Dr. Rau. i learned so much. he makes PERFECT sense. i have seen all 5.

i will most certainly apply his principles, and get the book you suggest.

thankyou for the power of this knowledge!



lindaca
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   Posted 1/28/2011 3:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I think Hansa Ctr is about $900/day, and you're off on the weekends. You also have to pay for hotel/food during your stay.

A 2-week stay would be 10 treatment days, so close to $10k for their services, plus travel, hotel and food. It's possible your daily cost could be less, it depends on which treatments they do for you.

They do work with CareCredit.com as well. Basically a credit card for medical needs, so if your credit is shot from paying for all the lyme stuff already, you may not qualify. Other than this program, I don't believe they offer payment plans.

bucci
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   Posted 1/29/2011 10:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Dr Rau on YouTube is awesome . Thanks Deej
after over 20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHPV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,

TLHDirector
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   Posted 1/31/2011 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Deejavu - Thanks for the post also. I watched all 5 videos and it does make more sense then anything I've read or been told by "The Experts" here in the US. I've had Lyme for 10 years, 2 years ago diagnosed, 5 treatments of antibiotics. Recently saw one of "the top 3" and was started on Doryx, a very strong time released antibiotic. I thought I was going to die! They also wanted me to start on the IV antibiotics. I thoroughly believe that this horrendous reaction happened for a reason, for me to read your post (have no idea how I found it) and for me to get off antibiotics! I bought the book, I'm following the diet and I'm going the homeopathic route only with continued blood tests to monitor my progress. Dr. Rau makes nothing by sense.

You stated you got better by following his protocol. Do you have Chronic Lyme?

Thanks!

TLHDirector
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   Posted 1/31/2011 1:34 PM (GMT -6)   
....also - just checked out Dr. Jernigan's book and his site at: http://hansacenter.com/shop.php
Did you use the supplements he is recommending? I'm working with Dr. H in NY who is supposed to be one of the best. I told them no antibiotics and they put me on Byron White's Herb Protocol which I intend to use with Dr. Rau's diet and instructions.

I really think it would be a great idea if we could get a group of us to do this together. It would help so many others if we could prove it works together. Thoughts?

bauhaus
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   Posted 1/31/2011 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
hello....................
i am so glad to see such positive response to DR RAU.
 i know we have the power, in our selves to do this.
each is different, but we do relate on points......
 i SO appreciate what you all share.
 
it's been a while, since i orderd BRUHNER's book.
they emailed of a supply issue...... can't imagine why.
 
the herbs have arrived, and i have not started yet,
 because i want to study what he says first....!
 
i know i am ok with catsclaw and knotweed, andrographis is new to me, and it's been a while since i used smilex.
 
if i just knew if they are all used together, seperately, how often etc.
 
i'm going to checkout Dr. Jernigan's protocol.
praises...........

Deejavu
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   Posted 1/31/2011 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
Glad to see that people are watching Dr. Rau and learning about Dr. Jernigan.  I'm not 100% sure if Dr. J. studied with Dr. Rau himself but I do know that Dr. J. did study at the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland as well as other places.    Dr. J. had chronic lyme himself and thought he was going to die from it..   So he gets it.
 
Personally, I don't believe antibiotics are the answer to chronic lyme, yes, they are good if this disease is diagnosed right after a person gets infected, but for chronic lyme?  I don't know..  I know I got better (I have been symptom-free for over 5 years now) from following Dr. Jernigan's "Healing at Home" protocol.    I still continue to detox daily, watch what I eat, keep my stress levels as low as possible, exercise (lately it's shoveling snow!), using my portable infrared sauna, foot baths, taking supplements (Green Vibrance, Cal/Mag, Vit. C, etc.).
 
When I followed his protocol it consisted of taking Borrelogen and a botanical which is now called CNS/PNS Neuro-Antitox (back then it was Pale Spike and Silphitrin), then I added Microbojen later on.   Those was the only 3 botanicals I took..  Plus lots of detoxing and dry skin brushing as well as the foot baths... 
 
I see that Dr. J. has this protocol called the Perfect 7 which seems very pricy to me..   I had bought an enema bag and yes, I still continue to do coffee enema's but only after I am cleaned out..   Sounds gross but very healthy.. 
 
 
My view is in order to get better, one needs to not only address the bugs, but the toxins, one's emotional state, stress, etc.   The big picture..   Yes, I had an co-infection but I didn't give that any attention as I was building up my immune system and by doing that my body was able to kill off any bugs no matter what strain.. 
 
Don't know if this helps anyone but I sure hope it does.. I really feel for anyone who is suffering from this disease..  I was sick for 10 years (5 years I went undiagnosed) and I will never forget what it felt like...   I had my days where I wanted to end it all and I will never ever forget that..
 
Hang in there everyone, you can get better!
Denise
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Traveler
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   Posted 1/31/2011 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu,
I'm so glad that you are back to posting again!! I thought for a while we had lost you to a normal life!!! You have helped a lot of people here over the years you have been here.

Glad to see you again!!!
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bucci
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   Posted 2/1/2011 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
I am still waiting to hear from a chronic lyme person who went to one of the top 3 that got cured with abx???

I thought Rau made perfect sense. I also thing parasites are major in chronic lyme people and thick blood.
these are 2 things that can be easily tested and treated.
I also know from my own experience at the clinic I went to that they did not give me as much abx as the younger people. They gave zythromicin (zethromax ) IV but only after EDTA to strip the biofilms.

I got it only 3 times a week and some weeks only twice (500mg)
The other treatments were HEAVY METAL DETOX IV and that made all the difference in the world.
they give you the IV I think it was called DMAE or DMOA??? anyway they give you that one day. you go home an collect urine over night and next day they did remineralization with vitamins, alphalipoic acid and a glutathione push at the end.

For old timers ...blood thinner ..either asperin, or heparin if it is really bad, or robozymes or those other blood thinning enzymes

heavy metal detox you have to have if you had thick blood.

they also did rife machine which I felt attacking my right foot and ankle and up right side. My right side of body has always been in most pain while I had none on left so I know that rife machine was doing something.

also they had homeopathic meds from Germany that they injected into accu points.

and the Phosphylate choline and serine and DMAE and ginko stuff definitely helps.

anyone ever try by twin labs choline coctail. it totally wakes my brain and body up better that all the ADD meds I have tried.

I died on doxy for 8 stinky little days on 50mg twice a day. that is a pediatric dose.

If you have chronic lyme they expect you to get much worse herx.

Dr. Rau made a lot of sense.
20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHPV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,

wks1
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   Posted 2/2/2011 10:39 AM (GMT -6)   
paracelsus was suggested to me. but im very sick and on a bunch of abx. dont know if its enough. have you heard of manhattan advanced medicine in nyc?

TLHDirector
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   Posted 2/2/2011 4:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Question for Deejavu - you mentioned portable sauna which is what I've been looking for but do not have a lot of money to spend on it right now. Any suggestions?

Glad to see all the positive comments re Dr. Rau. I'm only on the first week of The Gross Green Diet (I a former sugar alcoholic and junk food addict ;~( so you can imagine what all this healthy stuff is doing to my body. But... I'm hanging in there as I believe this will work for me.

Still waiting for the Byron White herb program to arrive.

One more question - Anyone here use LDN? I'm supposed to start on that and am just researching it.

Thanks!

CajunGrl
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   Posted 2/3/2011 2:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi TLHDirector,

Most of us here went on Ebay and bought a portable fir sauna for around $150.00. They work great and you can control the temperature and the time.
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Deejavu
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   Posted 2/3/2011 7:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi TLHDirector,
 
I bought my infrared sauna from Amazon for the reason if there was a problem with it there would be no problem returning it (it was perfect):
 
 
I believe I paid less money than the price above, perhaps the prices went up.  I also thought I got free shipping but I don't remember now since it was a while back.
 
Do you feel any different on the Green Diet?  I am a recovering alcoholic and don't eat any sugar (I simply don't desire it).. Almonds are my comfort food!  And no, I never took LDN..
 
Hope this helps,
Denise
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Deejavu
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   Posted 2/3/2011 7:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Traveler,
 
Me live a normal life?  LOL!  Now that would bore the *** out of me..   I was even thinking of going ice fishing but I don't have the gear..  Yep, I'm still crazy after all these years..  Hey, isn't that a song?   scool
Denise
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Deejavu
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   Posted 3/17/2011 7:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Riannabri,
 
I'm excited for you that you are going to the Paracelsus Clinic!  I did find out that Dr. Jernigan did train with Dr. Rau so either clinic is fine in my opinion from what I read and from people I know who went to Dr. J's clinic.  
 
Both clinics treat chronic lyme using biological medicine as well as other techniques.
 
 
 
Good luck to you and please keep us updated!
 
Denise
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Hippie
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   Posted 3/18/2011 4:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I know of one person that went to Parcelsus that did not get better. She had to take out a loan to go and is now broke. It is super expensive. I forget how much she spent, but it was over 50k and I know she followed their protocol. She did not have the money to go back. Most patients usually keep going every few months.

I looked into going there too, but did not feel it was necessary to get well. There are many paths one can take to recover.

Bottom line: detox detox detox!

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   Posted 3/18/2011 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
not surprised and thank you for posting that, Hippie.

I thought Rau made a lot of sense on you tube but did not see one person with chronic lyme standing there saying how they benifitted. He talked a lot about their research and it is shallow at best compared to even places like the chronic fatigue foundation where hay are coming up with specific viral things like xmrv and lots of other stuff not jus saying things like the WATER supply in the states that had more lyme than others was different.

First of all we have states like New York that do not even acknowledge lyme disease and by that I mean they have their own Stoney brook lab that has sent away more sick lyme people telling them it was all in their heads after 3 weeks of abx. That lab ruined my Fathers life. NY STATE doesn't even acknowledge Igenex.

Anyway, these type clinic and I am including Envita, and Hansa and Rau's place are all feel good detox clinics.

Envita does use abx and all the other stuff that Hansa uses. the biomeridian machine for diagnosis and the ozone and this and that. Yes you can rack up $900 in a day easy with these people. the foot bath and the rife.

How could we know what even works when you are getting this whole smorgasbord of stuff.

Even on the wild condor site ..she did everything and then claims hypobaric chamber "DID IT".

how could anyone know. ??? how can you even go to Hansa who is ANTI antibiotic after years of antibiotics and say it was Hansa that did it.?? who is to say that you don't need BOTH the abx and the $20,000 detox??

then we have other miracles like Deejavu who is able to do this without spending the money. I think we all will spend what ever we have and then we have nothing and we are still trying what ever we can.

Even Deejavu, much to her credit, is exptemely disciplined in this life. Just like having HIV even with th good cocktails you have to walk a fine disciplined life. We need this kind of inspiration to take as much responsibility as possible. Unfortunately we can get things under control and then something like a hysterectomy or even freaking menopause will cause the most destructive relapses.

So if you have $10, or $50,000 this disease will make you try anything and everything.

don't for get to let us all know how you make out Pete and then about 2 months after you come home let us know. and it really is only fare to divulge the $$$ costs.
20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHPV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,

Deejavu
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   Posted 3/18/2011 4:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Bucci,
 
Yes, you are right... I am disciplined but actually it became a habit like anything else..  Wake up, exercise, detox bath, perhaps the sauna later on that same day, etc.  Like anything else in life people develop habits and there are good habits and not so good habits...  
 
I continue to detox and take care of myself simply because I believe we live in a very toxic world (which is becoming more toxic as I type this) and to keep my immune system strong in order to ward off other illnesses..  
 
Anyway, we have a member here who never took one (not ONE) antibiotic and had lyme for over 30 years (she was misdiagnosed as having fibro) and she went to Hansa and got her life back.  Hansa is NOT all about detoxing, that's a part of it yes, but that's not exactly what they do there from what I do know from people that went.
 
Gary (GWB) can probably explain it better since he and his wife went there. 
 
As far as Dr. Rau's youtube video's, I would rewatch them again because it's not about who got better from his clinic but more of Dr. Rau's explanation of chronic illnesses and his viewpoints.. 
 
Just my thoughts,
Denise
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bucci
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   Posted 3/19/2011 4:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I definitely can see that this oral balancing would be key to so many people healing and not only lyme.
I can see how so much about dental work just isn't kosher and more invasive and prone to serious infection than the majority of the population realize.

I bet we could line up a room of people with lots of dental work and root canals and find they all have either chronic fatigue or fiber or even MS. and it may be why no one is getting well even with all the abx or natural remedies.


DeeJaVue..........you are a true inspiration and have been a huge support for all of us here no matter what type treatment we are doing. I really want to thank you and acknowledge you for your showing up strong and balanced in all your posts.


xxxxxx
Bucci
20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHPV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,

Jessy1974
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   Posted 6/13/2012 8:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Re Dr Rau PARACELSUS CLINIC - I am posing this here as you will see Dr Rau does not allow posts on his Youtube clips, I wonder why!!!!!
 
Please think VERY carefully before going to this clinic for Lyme it would be best to get under the care of an ILADS Lyme Literate doctor.  The damage that could be done by this clinic may be very hard to get back from not to mention the cost.  You will be paying $25,000 for your 1st visit and then you must attend again every 3-6 months at a cost of $20,000+ each visit. this is without home treatment and flights accomadation.  Cost put aside this clinic is not ofay with treating Lyme.  There are a handful that may have got better but again I can tell you they really do not know how to treat Lyme - an ILADS doctor would have treated up to 4000 patient+ wheras here they see a handful and give them the same treatment as any other patient - that is basically fillings out and detox and even that is years behind. It could be a very expensive mistake and a very devastating one to your health so please think very hard before coming away from the conventional Lyme doctor.

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   Posted 6/13/2012 1:17 PM (GMT -6)   
How did you determine that Dr. Rau is not qualified to treat Lyme disease? You seem to be basing this solely on his prices, or do you have some personal experience that makes you feel that this Dr. is not capable of treating people with LD?

You give no facts about why Dr. Rau is not qualified to treat lyme other than to say he's expensive. You said, "I can tell you they really do not know how to treat lyme". Really? Why don't you explain to us how you know this?

You've come on this forum and made the same comments on three different threads. What's your point, or perhaps I should ask, what is your agenda?

By the way, I noticed you posted this exact same post on MDJunction, three times, and those were you very first posts on that forum, same as you've done here. I suppose you're positing this on other lyme forums too.

Something fishy about this poster. nono

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