SAMENTO & BANDEROL HAS ANYBODY TRIED THESE????

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Sassy1014
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   Posted 2/21/2011 4:17 PM (GMT -6)   
PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW THEY HAVE WORKED FOR YOU.  THANKS IN ADVANCE.

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   Posted 2/22/2011 1:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Sassy!
There have been several discussions here about those products. You should use the search function here, I'm sure it will pull up the info you are asking for.
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panda2011
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   Posted 2/22/2011 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I tried Samento three times. It may have killed some Lyme spiros, but gave me migraines every time. I only did one drop a day the last time. That is my experience.

All-Seeing Eye
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   Posted 2/22/2011 2:00 PM (GMT -6)   
YES!!!!!

THEY ARE INCLUDED IN MY COWDEN PROTOCOL. THEY SEEM TO MAKE ME HERX.


!!!!!!!!!

Sassy1014
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   Posted 2/22/2011 4:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks all for your response! I will do a search. Didn't know I could do that. Obviously I am new to this forum. I am getting tired of being on ABX for years. Thanks!

Sassy1014
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   Posted 2/22/2011 4:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Quick ? then....Do we want to always herx? I have been on ABX and my LLD just put me on another one and for the first time I am herxing. Obviously I feel worst than I ever have but do I just hang in there or go back on the ABX that made me feel more normal? I am thinking those aren't really killing off these buggers.

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   Posted 2/23/2011 12:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Although herxing is normal when a person has reached the appropriate levels of any anti-infective treatment, it is not necessary to stay there!

There is a well written post all about detoxing, dry skin brushing & what you need to get started in the thread "New to Lyme?...Start Here!". You most likely already have everything you need to get started in your house!!
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All-Seeing Eye
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   Posted 2/23/2011 12:38 PM (GMT -6)   
herxing is typically a good sign but you want to minimize it as much as possible. Try to kill the bacteria slowly so you don't overwhelm your system with toxins. If you've had lyme for a while, although, this is pretty much impossible. You WILL herx. and it can be BAD.

Sassy1014
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   Posted 2/23/2011 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks so much for the response!

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   Posted 2/23/2011 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I am on Biaxin and Amoxc. I just ordered Samento and Banderol. At first I just picked up some cats claw from Whole Foods. I took 30 drops twice that day. On Monday, I felt HORRIBLE....took a nap and then went to bed and slept for like 13 hours!!! I think I was definitely herxing.

Now, I read to get Samento because it's TAO free. So, I tried 2 drops two days ago, 3 drops last night. It's weird, because as soon as I drink them, I start feeling symptoms arise.. I guess this is a good thing but I'm not sure.

I haven't cleared taking these things with my antibiotics, so I'm a little nervous but gosh....I just want to kill these bacteria like yesterday!!!!

I read to take 30 drops of the Banderol at night but I'm afraid.

Anyone on Antibiotics AND taking these products????

Sassy1014
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   Posted 2/23/2011 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
My friend, I am sure, is taking both ABX and Samento and Banderol. She is also using a Rife machine. I am going to e mail her now and when I hear back from her, I will post a reply.

Carrie48
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   Posted 2/23/2011 6:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Sassy1014!!!!

Sassy1014
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   Posted 2/23/2011 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
You are exactly right...Samento is TAO free that is why we take that form of Cat's Claw.  You MUST work up to 15 drops of both the Samento and Banderol both microbial defenses..  Do not take 15 drops of the Banderol...work up to it.

You are doing the right thing.  I am taking Docycycline - 400 mg a day plus a natural antibiotic called Collodial Silver.  I would recommend getting some.  The best and cheapest place is at www.iherb.com  otherwise it can be expensive.

The microbials work great and you will get sicker at first...but it is a really GOOD thing to Herx because you are killing the  little bugs.


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   Posted 6/9/2012 12:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Sassy-
I have been doing better than ok on Samento and Serrapeptase Enzymes. I am allergic to antibiotics and some other meds so this is the route I am taking. My worst weird Lyme symptoms besides the overwhelming fatigue were fragmented strobing vision, bladder insufficiency and a crawling sensation on the side of my head with sharp stabbing and itching pains outside of my ear. With the Samento (Nutramedix), the visual disturbance is gone! and it had plagued me for more than 15 years. Also, the crawling sensation under my skin is almost gone. Since adding the serrapeptase, My thinking is clearer, the bladder problems are getting better and other things are improving. I just started the Banderol today so I'll have to wait and see what that does. With the Samento, I can only take 3-5 drops two or three times a day. The herx reactions/fatigue get rough if I take much more than that. I was misdiagnosed for years. My family doctor won't touch Lyme, but he has prescribed Provigil(great stuff) for the narcolepsy like symptoms. I have a homeopathic doctor that detoxes the herxheimer reactions. The Serrapeptase is breaking up other biofilms and uncovered old Toxoplasmosis I've been harboring and some other weird invaders. I am hopeful, praising God and pretty tired. Don't give up on the Samento. I really like the the Serrapeptase better than the Wobenzym and other proteolytic enzymes I've tried and it doesn't upset my stomach.

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   Posted 9/21/2012 9:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Banderol and Samento are in the Cowden Protocol I have been on for a month now. I started with 1 drop of Banderol 30 minutes before breakfast, 1 drop of Samento 30 minutes before lunch, 1 drop of Banderol 30 mintues before dinner, and 1 drop of Samento at bed time. Over the month I worked up to 30 drops of each. That was ok for a week until I herxed like mad with anxiety, panic attacks, skin rashes, muscle aches, headaches. I stopped for a few days, but plan to continue with a lower dose. Powerful herbs and before the severe herx, I was feeling amazing.

BeautyBeyondTheGrasp
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   Posted 10/22/2012 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
As Vitamin Grama said in an earlier post, i cannot stress enough the significance of Serrapeptase. It disolves the protein bio film surrounding the lyme/bab/whatever that protects it against/confuses our immune system, and i have a theory it reduces herx dramatically by dissolving the dead bacteria floating around after it's been killed so that it can get out of your system faster/ have less effects on you. In short, it potentizes every antibiotic/antimicrobial you can take meany times over, and alerts your immune system to the invader for possibly the first time.

Nattokinase, and lumbrokinase(lumbro is ridiculously expensive) are also great, but i have a feeling they will work a little less. I have not tried any of these, but i am about to purchase serrapeptase and am sure it will work due to my research.

Edit: One question that i have is if papayin is a good protease enzyme or a bad one that inhibits other proteases... essentially, im unsure weather Cysteine proteases are good or bad for our battle. maybe someone who knows sciency words better can get a better grasp of this and get back so i dont have to look up every word/concept i am stumbling apon.

And one more important share - for babesia, apparently (also by nutramedix) enula and mora are also in the realm of samento and banderol's potency.

once again, i havn't tried these, but i am sure they will work. but i will report back my dose of each once started and my herx.

GL and much love, yall

Post Edited (BeautyBeyondTheGrasp) : 10/22/2012 3:20:29 PM (GMT-6)


skBM
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   Posted 10/31/2012 10:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for that post. I just ordered some enula and mora.
Samento (cat's claw), Banderol, and Serrapeptase have been extremely helpful for me.

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   Posted 10/31/2012 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I have these herbs on my Cowden protocol, i have been taking for 8 days. like everyone says........it is different for everyone.........best of luck to you.

i am a little scared of the Herks reaction"!
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