When to give yourself a break from antibiotics

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therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/11/2011 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi I've been on antibiotics for over a year maybe taking off two months at one point.
 
I'm currenlty on two shots a week of 500mg of rocephin. I take my yeast pill diflucan 200mg twice a day to get the yeast under control, LDN, and my sulfasalazine (4 pills a day at 500mg) from my ulcerative colitis.
 
I feel so out of breath in the morning lately. I sit to blow dry my hair. My blood pressure is very low. I go for chiropracter adjustment and simply raking the lawn thows my back out. It seems my joint or cartalidge are weaker or something. I just feel I want to take a break from my antibiotics for bit. Is this wrong to do?
 
I want to help clean my liver too. Does water and lemon helped that. I can't take another pill or anything! I take Laurcidin, Natren Trenev Trio all for yeast. I take Vit B, D, ADP for energy.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
 
UC since '05, now sulfasaladine (4 pills a day),I've been on Rocephin shot weekly, for Lyme's disease, that's worked amazing for my gut issues of gas, bloating and pain. I highly recommend it!

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   Posted 4/11/2011 12:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Therearemiracles,
I don't know about taking a break from the abx, but I did want to respond about cleansing your liver. I drink lemon water as one more way to help my liver to keep 'flushed' better. I also do a liver flush that my doc started me on. I use it 4 times a year and I can actually feel it when it's time to start another one! My liver actually starts to feel 'heavy' in a way!!

Anyway, the liver flush is a very gentle one. In a glass add; 1 garlic clove (fresh), put through a garlic press; a few drops of fresh ginger juice (I also add a little fresh ginger using a garlic press); 1 tablespoon of Olive oil, and then add 1 cup of fresh squeezed orange juice with a little fresh lemon, lime or grapefruit juice added. The mix of citrus is important.

It is suggested to do this for 10 days, take a three day break and then to do another 10 days. The taste was a little strong the first time through for me, but I stuck with it and the second time around it was much easier. You should stop using this flush when you see results in your bm's. Mine were a fairly dark green - a good sign that the bile is flowing well.
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therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/11/2011 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks I'm just trying so many things
 
one to clear up yeast in my gut or colon, can't say that I have it but I do get a white tounge and I'm on antibiotics constantly so most say for sure there's a yeast upset
 
Lymes
 
Ulcerative colitis
 
What do I takle first and stick with? That's my problem. I'm taking so many harmful meds I think LDN, Diflucan, Sulfasalazine, Rocphine shot. I feel really brain foggy.
 
I will have to talk to my doc sometime, but I just saw him :(
UC since '05, now sulfasaladine (4 pills a day),I've been on Rocephin shot weekly, for Lyme's disease, that's worked amazing for my gut issues of gas, bloating and pain. I highly recommend it!

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   Posted 4/11/2011 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I really feel for you, Therearemiracles!
Hopefully someone can help you out with some better suggestion soon.
sending a gentle hug
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Cat111
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   Posted 4/11/2011 2:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi therearemiracles,
 
What has saved me from getting any gut/yeast issues is eating goat's milk yogurt chocked full of acidophilus. I eat 2 of the small containers a day plus one super loaded (with organisms) acidophilus pill. 
 
My LLMD told me that the only pill form of acidophilus to take is the kind which is refridgerated IN THE STORE when you buy it and it should contain at least 8 different types of organisms-- 15+ is even better!  This is not an easy thing to find though. You have to go to a really good health food store.
 
Any acidophilus pills that are not refridgerated are useless apparently. 
 
Also look for expiration dates. These live organisms don't live that long in a bottle/pill form. So you want to eat them when they are fresh and can do their job.
 
Perhaps it is too late for you to try these things???....but going natural IMHO is way better than taking conventional meds.   :-)
 
Hope you get a handle on this! So sorry to hear you're having a bad time of it!  sad  
 
As for taking a break from antibiotics, my LLMD does not recommend that because (in his opinion) a break somehow makes the spiros resistant to them.  Blood levels on abx need to be kept at optimum/max levels at all times.  Just wanted to share that-- not meant to interfere.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Meds: Doxy (2.5 months @ 200 mgs. per day) relapse after stopping. Amoxicillin (1.5 months @ 1000 mgs. per day) then Amoxicillin (1 month @ 3000 mgs. per day) Dr. added Azithromycin (250 mgs.) for another month. Now on Mepron (1500 mgs.) + Azithromycin (250 mgs.)

Carrie48
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   Posted 4/11/2011 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi there,

I'm not sure about the break in the ABX and can't comment on that because I'm 3 mos new on ABX (and not liking it).

Anyhow, I wanted to comment on Cat's comment. My LLMD told me NOT TO TAKE REFRIGERATED Probiotics because they will interfere with your antibiotics. I told me to take FLORASTOR which I get at Costso. You have to ask them for it at the pharmacy because they don't put it out. It's about $35 per bottle.

I have always taken a lot of probiotics (esp. the refrigerated kind), but right now, I'm staying away from them. I suppose if you take it in the middle of the day, away from your ABX, then you would be fine.

therearemiracles
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   Posted 4/11/2011 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I can only handle the inter muscular injections no antibiotics orally because of my gut. So I'm limited. I'm waiting to hear back from my doctor. Thank you for responding.
UC since '05, now sulfasaladine (4 pills a day),I've been on Rocephin shot weekly, for Lyme's disease, that's worked amazing for my gut issues of gas, bloating and pain. I highly recommend it!

aviva143
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   Posted 4/11/2011 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
My naturopathic doctor has me taking "Greens First" to help detox my liver. It's got the added benefit that it has a pretty high dose of probiotics, which helps control yeast outgrowth. I do 1 scoop twice a day mixed with water. I've been doing it for 2 weeks and according to my ND, my liver function is looking better. Some of my skin problems are clearing up, which I think is also a sign my body is clearing toxins better. You can get "Greens First" online (at places like Amazon or health food/vitamin stores).

Not sure about the abx. It's something you should probably bring up with your doctor...

Hope you feel better!

Harleyrider
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   Posted 4/11/2011 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
therearemiracles

I take breaks in my rocephine IV's which I am actually taking a break this week.

I get to feeling so overloaded and the herx reactions get to much. I have been off

since last Wed. and as of today finally not having such big herx's, but seem really edgy

and bite everyones head off. But I can walk and move without hardly any pain now that

I am taking a break and getting caught up on detoxing. I may even ask for another week

off the IV's just because I feel so much better. Been on this IV since Oct.

Cat111
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   Posted 4/12/2011 6:51 AM (GMT -6)   

Here's a portion of an article (one of many) I found that supports use of probiotics with antibiotics-- I agree they should be taken at least 2 hours apart because I have heard that antibiotics can interfere with probiotics...not the other way around.

 

Probiotics May Help People Taking Antibiotics

ScienceDaily (Dec. 24, 2008) — Up to one in five people on antibiotics stop taking their full course of antibiotic therapy due to diarrhea. Physicians could help patients avoid this problem by prescribing probiotics, according to a study by researchers at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University published in American Family Physician.

Antibiotics target "bad" bacteria but may also kill the "good" bacteria in the large intestine, leading to diarrhea. Diarrhea can also result from bacterial and viral infections. Probiotics-cultures of "good" microorganisms similar to those normally found in the gut - have been promoted as restoring the microbial balance disrupted by antibiotics and infections. Probiotic bacterial strains are added to certain yogurts and brands of miso and other fermented foods, and are also available as powders and pills sold in health food stores.

The Einstein scientists reviewed the medical literature and found seven, high-quality studies in which probiotics were administered to people. The researchers concluded that the studies support the use of probiotics for avoiding diarrhea resulting from antibiotic use or from gastrointestinal viral or bacterial infections.

"With the level of evidence that probiotics work and the large safety margins for them, we see no good reason not to prescribe probiotics when prescribing antibiotics," says Dr. Benjamin Kligler, a co-author of the study and associate professor of clinical family and social medicine at Einstein.

Dr. Kligler notes that the effects of probiotics doses are short-lived, so they should be taken  Probiotics will not diminish the effectiveness of antibiotics, he adds, throughout a course of antibiotic therapy.

In general, researchers found that probiotic doses of more than 5 billion colony-forming units per day for children and more than 10 billion colony-forming units per day for adults were associated with the best outcomes.


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   Posted 4/12/2011 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Carrie48 said...

Anyhow, I wanted to comment on Cat's comment. My LLMD told me NOT TO TAKE REFRIGERATED Probiotics because they will interfere with your antibiotics. I told me to take FLORASTOR which I get at Costso. You have to ask them for it at the pharmacy because they don't put it out. It's about $35 per bottle.

I have always taken a lot of probiotics (esp. the refrigerated kind), but right now, I'm staying away from them. I suppose if you take it in the middle of the day, away from your ABX, then you would be fine.


Actually, in order to effectively take abx and to protect your stomach and intestines, take the probiotics 2 hrs away from the time that the abx are taken. A good quality probiotic is absolutely necessary in order to maintain a balance between the good and the bad while taking abx - even more important when taking high doses of abx like are required to treat tick-borne infections.

I really like using keifr!!! smilewinkgrin It has more than the necessary amount of probiotics in it and it can be made at home for just the cost of milk - and any kind of milk can be used! Goat, coconut milk, soy milk, rice milk - it all works!! yeah
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