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yazzer
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   Posted 6/29/2011 5:50 AM (GMT -7)   
eyes  I definitely understand the concept - as we kill off the Lyme organism, it means we have all that dead junk in our systems AND the neurotoxins that it emits on its death throes. All this can gum-up our systems and cause delays in feeling better and other issues with the body not being able to process nutrients and the like. What is the regimen used by most here?  Also, do you actually feel WORSE once detox is begun, as the system flushes out the "stuck" junk??  I just started a Daily Multi-Detox yesterday by Renew Life and today, I feel sluggish  and slow and somewhat more symptomatic. Other detox enhancements I have added include milk thistle (liver) and try to do 12 minutes in a HOT sauna at least 3 days per week.  What are the experiences of others here? Also, I have heard of other, more radical detox methods including coffee enemas and the like (sounds yucky blush  ) - any comments here on those?
 
Thanks all.
 
Your friend in Lyme, Mike

achievinggrace
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   Posted 6/29/2011 7:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Mike,

Yes, you've got the idea!!

The trick is to listen to your body and go slow. You can get a herx reaction from detoxing too fast. Goodness knows you don't need to feel any worse than you do!

Please also be aware that some detox formulas can interfere with the medicines you are taking to make you well. For example, I believe formulas with charcoal in them can easily remove medicines from your body.

Milk thistle should not be taken with Rifampin or Mepron and several other medicines. www.hcvadvocate.org/hepatitis/hepC/mthistle.html

I use Epsom salt baths. There was a time I could barely stand to be in for more than five minutes. Now I can lounge in there for 30 minute -- or until the water gets tepid, whichever comes first.

My llmd has given me a homeopathic detox formula called SyDetox which has been helpful for me.

The coffee enemas -- I've done the research, understand the biology of it -- but I just prefer to drink my coffee!! tongue
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yazzer
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   Posted 6/29/2011 8:53 AM (GMT -7)   
LOL - me too on the preference to drink my coffee - my Starbucks sumatra goes in the right end of things! I think I am having some herxing here with the detox so I am monitoring closely. Plus, my body is just creaking and gurgling with it which I think might be a good thing. Why do we herx with detox? I understand the die-off and herxing because of the neurotoxin release but why with detox? The stirring up of junk in our systems? I am probably going to slow down on it some so I can regulate the herx response better.

I am okay with the charcoal and milk thistle - not taking contra-indicating drugs for the latter and no charcoal at this point. I tried the epsom salts and liked it too. What do you do afterwards? I just take a regular shower - is that the procedure? The sauna (lucky we have one in our gym locker room at work!) is nice - I can barely stand 12 minutes so far but I sweat profusely in there.

Thanks for your continued replies - I look forward to as much info. as I can get. I am a NASA employee with a very strong science/technical background and just thrive off knowledge of any kind - I figure I can use this asset to help me through the Lyme "jungle".

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   Posted 6/29/2011 12:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Mike!
We have another member here that worked with NASA, I believe. Unfortunately, she hasn't posted in a while. I'm still hoping that it is because she is feeling so good that she is out doing things, but am concerned that's not the case.

Anyway, as to your question about what to do after the detox bath. I have never taken a shower after the bath, but have instead showered before - to wash off the oils on my skin. After a soak in Epsom salts and peroxide, my skin has always felt silky, so I didn't want to loosed that!

As for the question about why detoxing brings out or brings on more symptoms - it's as you thought - the stirring up of things, but as you go along you will begin to notice that when you miss or delay a session of detoxing, your body will let you know about it! So you will go from the mild herxing from the detoxing to your body telling you "HEY! It's past time to detox!!" :smilewinkgrin"
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CycleVancouver
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   Posted 6/29/2011 2:10 PM (GMT -7)   
As with most things Lyme, your reactions to detox efforts can be very different from someone else, so the challenging thing is that you kinda have to try them all to see what works for you. My experience:

The dreaded coffee enemas: didn't do much for me. Some people swear by them, so I gave it a go for about 3-4 weeks, doing it 2-3 times a week. I never felt anything...other than the obvious! I will say that if you want to try this, it does get easier with practice. I think my first 3 attempts were...well, PM me if you want help with this, I won't gross out others needlessly!

Chlorella: The only detox 'trick' I've done that I can actually feel a difference afterwards. After I take it my liver/insides stop hurting so much. I take 2 pills 2x/day.

FIR sauna: I just received mine from ebay. I've used it twice in 3 days, and my legs felt pretty bad last night. The legs could be from just about anything, though, so I'll need to use it more to see if it helps, or if too much of it is, well, too much.

Detox baths: I've never felt better from either the epson/peroxide bath or some clay mixture my ND gave me. Again, these work for lots of people, just not me. Ditto dry brushing, I do it out of faith, never felt much better.

Burbur extract: I may have felt some benefit. It's just with so many pills I forget to use it!

Vitamin C IV: just started. Very expensive! Clears my wallet very effectively.


Now the flip side to my story of "nothing seems to help much" is that I'm slowly able to tolerate more abx. I had a vicious herx after less than 2 weeks of doxy 100mg BID, and now my ND is having me very slowly build up until I can get to a real dose. I've gone from 50mg BID 4days on/3 off, to now where I'm at 150 BID, hopefully every day of the week. So it could be me getting used to the doxy, and/or some of the detox tricks that I don't think help do indeed help somewhat. Some people get an 'aha!' moment with their detoxing techniques, others have to do these things on faith. Sing it with me, now, children of the 80's:

You gotta have faith, faith, faith....

CycleVancouver
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   Posted 6/29/2011 2:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I forgot to add that I've also tried changing my diet, going the alkaline diet route, low sugar also (never got to none, but it was pretty low). Again, didn't seem to do much to help, and it was very frustrating to boot. Some of us on the CanLyme forum had a good talk about this, and for me (and them) it was more frustrating and embittering than it was worth.

Whatever you try, good luck!

yazzer
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   Posted 6/29/2011 5:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks all! Great replies. As today wore on at work (busy day), my head began "buzzing" more...this, to me is a herxing reaction I am sure. Since I just began the detox mode last evening., I can only assume that this state was brought on by the detox. Like I mentioned, I am taking the Daily Multi-Detox by Renew Life at the full recommended dosage (two caps 2x day), and took 2 last evening and 2 this morning. I think I am going to skip tonights dosage and try 1 cap 1x day tomorrow. I can "handle" the herx but its really amped to a level that is not pleasant for a long period of time. As many of you have indicated, steady the course...I like to think it can be titrated in a level way.

I exercise as well (which detoxs, right?) - I typically work out with heavy weights for 20-30 minutes then either run 5 miles at bricsk pace (about 7:30-7:40/mile) or walk 4 miles in an hour (alternative days). While busting my butt running, I try and visualize killing off the Lyme organisms and sweating them out through my pores! I usually feel BETTER after a run/walk...probably a combination of the clearing out of junk and the endorphin rush to the brain!

Diet is tons of protein and a lot less carbs than I usually do. I LOVE LOVE LOVE fruit and have pulled back on it due to concern for sugar intake. I dunno if this helps or not. Finally, I also love wine on the weekends and have reluctantly given that up as well until I get back to near 'normal'.

Has anyone heard about a product called AbsorbMoreToxins ? It was recommended by folks in our local Lyme Disease Association meeting this week.

yazzer
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   Posted 6/29/2011 6:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Lymemaster - good comments! For me, the exercise I am doing now is a big step DOWN from what I was doing regularly for the past 8 years. I would run 35-40 miles per week...now I am at 15-20 running and maybe another 8-10 walking. So, as far as my body is concerned, I am in healing mode I believe. I am indeed vigilant that I do not want to compromise my immune system (e.g., I was going to train for my 5th marathon to be run this fall but that is OUT as no doubt that will compromise immune system and tire the body too much).

How did you clear yourself of the biofilms? Did you have a particular product(s) or other regimen? I am curious as, for me these days, it's more tria-and-error and not the best approach. Thanks again for the response!

Mike
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