Liver/Gallbladder Flush: Anyone on board?

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Carrie48
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   Posted 12/18/2011 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Okay...after the holidays, I'm going to do some serious detoxing. This includes a liver/gallbladder flush. I no longer have a gallbladder (thanks to Lyme Disease) but I still have a liver that is begging to be cleaned.

I just thought I would put it out there and see if anyone is interested in joining me. I'm thinking the second week of January. I've done it once before, and it's NOT THAT BAD! REALLY!

Anyway, I've had a good productive weekend and feel I'm 90% ready for Christmas. Hope you all had a good weekend!

Carrie

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   Posted 12/18/2011 8:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Sounds good--I have not been able to bring myself to do this, though it is so highly recommended. One of my friends said it made so much difference!!! Does NOT sound fun AT ALL!!!!!! :-)

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   Posted 12/19/2011 10:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Awesome!!! I'll try to find a good link for the directions on the flush. There are plenty of them. I'll take a look around and post the link here when I find a good one.
DX with Lyme and Erlichosis in January 2010. January-August: Biaxin and Amoxicillian. September 2011 - ? on Rifampin and Zithromax. Symtpoms mostly neuro and have 20 small lesions on brain.

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   Posted 12/19/2011 10:28 AM (GMT -6)   
You know, I have thought of this too but have read VERY CONFLICTING accounts of whether it is effective or not (I assume you are talking the olive oil and lemon method). I have gall stones and my docs want me to get my gall bladder taken out. But, it doesn't hurt me so I am resisting big-time. So I would love to do a gall bladder flush - if it works. I'll have to look it up but the gall "stones" that you seem to be 'flushing' with the method are just the congealed remnants of the olive oil and other digestive material.... I guess it cannot hurt but I am not so sure it can help. I like the topic and would love to hear more about this from perhaps some folks who have actually done it...!

I think maybe the coffee enemas are more effective as they definitely cause the gall bladder to excrete bile and promote the creation of glutathione...thoughts?

Carrie48
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   Posted 12/19/2011 11:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Yazzer:

Before I had my gallbladder removed, I did a flush and I was fine. HOWEVER....my GI warned me that a stone could get stuck and you could wind up in the ER with needing surgery....

I had multiple stones (don't know how many...they just said multiple). I never had a full blown attack...didn't even have pain. Mine was causing me terrible fullness/bloating and acid reflux. Oh...it was HORRIBLE!!! Then, towards the end before I finally got it taken out...I started have hints of gallbladder attacks....like really quick pains. I refused to take it out for a long time but in the end...I'm so glad I did.

But...Yes, this is the Olive oil flush that I did. We will just need to agree on a good day to do it because you will need to be home around the bathroom on the day that you do it.

Have you had a hyda test (can't remember if that is what it's called) to see how well your gallbladder is contracting? I had that done too and mine was at I think 18% or something like that which was low.

Well...I'm going to get into my sauna now.
DX with Lyme and Erlichosis in January 2010. January-August: Biaxin and Amoxicillian. September 2011 - ? on Rifampin and Zithromax. Symtpoms mostly neuro and have 20 small lesions on brain.

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   Posted 12/19/2011 11:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Thx Carrie - yes, my ultrasound just said "multiple stones". My doc ordered a amylase/liptase test and just had the blood drawn Friday so I guess I will know more soon. The ratio is supposed to tell something about gall bladder function.

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   Posted 12/19/2011 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I did a liver/gallbladder flush 2 times last year per my ND's recommendation. It was the olive oil/lemon one. I had to drink apple cider vinegar after each meal for a week prior to "prepare" my body.

It wasn't too bad, but yes, you need to be home the next day!

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   Posted 12/19/2011 6:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Carrie and all,
 
I am willing to do this (I know other's who have done it and I do have a recipe).
 
Other's who have done it felt great afterward but I never did it because the thought of drinking olive oil (one of the ingredients) doesn't appeal to me. 
 
Give me time and I will type out the recipe.. 
 
Yazzer, it really does work according to many people who have done it.
 
Happy Flushing!! Yuck!
Denise

Carrie48
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   Posted 12/20/2011 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu:

Wonderful! This should be fun! Ha Ha...no really....it will be nice having others doing it together. Yes, please post the recipe when you have time. Thanks!
DX with Lyme and Erlichosis in January 2010. January-August: Biaxin and Amoxicillian. September 2011 - ? on Rifampin and Zithromax. Symtpoms mostly neuro and have 20 small lesions on brain.

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   Posted 12/20/2011 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
What a great idea, Carrie! Thank you! I'm sure that this will encourage even some who haven't posted!!

A word of caution though, I have read that the coffee enema shouldn't be done by those who don't have a gall bladder.

As for the olive oil and lemon flush, could you list the ingredients and how you are supposed to do this? Just to be sure everyone is clear on how to use it properly. I usually do one with olive oil and lemon, but it includes fresh garlic, ginger and orange juice as well.

My doc doesn't want me doing one right now - we've talked about it, but my liver is putting out enough bile (I no longer have a g.b.) so she said to hold off.
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Carrie48
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   Posted 12/21/2011 11:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Traveler.....I do not have a gb either....I think i've read that it's even more important for us to do them but I could be wrong...? Is that true?

Also, good to hear about the coffee enema....I have never done one but I'm glad you mentioned about that and not doing one if you don't have a GB.
DX with Lyme and Erlichosis in January 2010. January-August: Biaxin and Amoxicillian. September 2011 - ? on Rifampin and Zithromax. Symtpoms mostly neuro and have 20 small lesions on brain.

yazzer
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   Posted 12/21/2011 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Coffee enemas and GB - I don't think there's any danger with doing a CE without a GB but it just won't do anything I would think. The reason for doing the coffee enema in the first place is to stimulate the GB to secrete bile 'on-demand' to flush toxins out of the system. But, it alos purportedly causes any increase in liver glutathione production by 600-700%. Since the coffee/caffeine is stimulating the GB, then if you have no GB, it probably wouldn't work! LOL.

Deejavu
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   Posted 12/22/2011 8:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
Yazzer, the purpose of doing a coffee enema is to clean the small and large intestine, helping clean the colon walls.
 
A common contributor to ill health is the production and absorption of toxins within the small and large intestines.
 
If food is not digested properly, sugars ferment and protein putrefies or rots.
 
Both processes generate toxic chemicals which are then absorbed into the liver.
Thus it also helps the liver as well.
 
 
Denise
 
Also, liver and gb flushes should be done even if one does not have a gb.
 
This is not my opinion but the research and findings of many doctors.

Symptom-free for 6 years ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol.

Our bodies are wise as they can heal themselves, all one has to do is nourish them properly. Thus it's all about the Immune System mixed with Daily Detoxing and a dose of Positive Thinking!

Deejavu
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   Posted 12/22/2011 8:13 AM (GMT -6)   
There are many recipes and I will be giving choices.
 
The one below is Dr. Hulda Clark's Flush (I googled the curezone):
 
 
http://curezone.com/clark/liver_original.asp

Symptom-free for 6 years ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol.

Our bodies are wise as they can heal themselves, all one has to do is nourish them properly. Thus it's all about the Immune System mixed with Daily Detoxing and a dose of Positive Thinking!

yazzer
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   Posted 12/22/2011 11:27 AM (GMT -6)   
DJ - yes, that is the GB flush I was thinking of - I had seen that before - there are other variations upon the same theme as well.

But, without getting to graphic (LOL), I don't see how a coffee enema can possibly clean the small and large intestines though. The delivery of the coffee through the "back door" as it were (yuck) only gets into the internal sigmoidal and rectal areas (to clean the entire large intestine, you'd need a full-blown colonic). There, it stimulates the blood vessels which cause a reaction by the liver/gall bladder to excrete bile that has accumulated toxins - toxins which could be reabsorbed and recirculated into the body. The coffee enema excretes them through this process for immediate expulsion from the body. Plus it causes the liver to increase glutathione production by 600-700%! Here's a quick synopsis of the effects of the CE from here (http://www.healthbeyondhype.com/coffee-enema-p-350.html):

How Does the Coffee Enema Work?
The coffee enema is a low volume enema that is retained in the lower portion of the colon (sigmoid colon) for 10-15 minutes. There is a duct between the sigmoid colon and the liver called the entero-hepatic circulation system. The caffeine from the coffee is absorbed through the entero-hepatic vein causing the liver's bile ducts to dilate. This stimulates the production and movement of bile, promoting the liver to release toxins.

Two powerful compounds contained in coffee, theophylline and theobromine, then dilate blood vessels and counter inflammation of the gut. Kahweol and cafestol palmitate, also found in coffee, enhance the enzyme system responsible for the removal of toxic free radicals from blood serum; and the fluid of the enema then stimulates the visceral nervous system to promote peristalsis and the transit of diluted toxic bile from the duodenum and out the rectum.

How Coffee Enemas Help to Detoxify the Body:

Improves Liver Detoxification - the caffeine causes dilatation of the liver's bile ducts, which facilitates excretion of toxic byproducts trapped in the liver and dialysis of these compounds across the colonic wall to be excreted out of the rectum.

Purifies the Blood - Two substances found in coffee, kahweol and cafestol palmitate, stimulate an enzyme system in the liver, glutathione-S-transferase, that captures electrophiles (reactive carcinogen compounds), metabolizes xenobiotics (toxic elements from drugs, pesticides etc.) and removes many kinds of toxic radicals from the bloodstream. Cancer experts at the Gerson Institute have regarded this as an important mechanism for carcinogen detoxification. Furthermore, since the enema is generally held for 15 minutes, and all the blood in the body passes through the liver every three minutes, the enemas represent a form of dialysis of blood across the gut wall.

Strengthens and Tones the Colon - It is believed that the presence of theophylline in coffee can cause blood vessel dilation across the walls of the colon. This can enhance the supply of blood to the colon, thereby improving the muscle tone and increasing gut motility. In addition, these enemas help facilitate the liver and bowel to neutralize the most common tissue toxins: polyamines, ammonia, nitrogen and electrophiles. This provides tremendous healing for the colon, as well as other areas of the body.

Neutralizes Bowel Toxins - When the stool reaches the sigmoid colon, toxins are sent through the entero-hepatic system to the liver to be neutralized. Holding the enema for a period of time allows the caffeine to stimulate bile production and efficiently neutralize these bowel toxins, which are then excreted when the enema is released.

All I know, is that they seem to help with the brain fog!

Carrie48
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   Posted 12/22/2011 3:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu: Thanks for the link. I didn't read through the whole thing because I'm packing and getting ready to leave, but I think we have to "prepare" for a week ahead of time right?... I think I remember having to drink a bunch of apple juice everyday for like a week prior....?

I am totally on-board with this when I get back from vacation!!! I'm sure I will need some serious detoxing after the holidays are over!
DX with Lyme and Erlichosis in January 2010. January-August: Biaxin and Amoxicillian. September 2011 - ? on Rifampin and Zithromax. Symtpoms mostly neuro and have 20 small lesions on brain.

Deejavu
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   Posted 12/23/2011 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
Carrie,
 
Yes, we do have to prepare, buy special ingredients, etc. including organic apple juice (I know you probably won't be able to read this now since you went away for the Holidays).
 
Yazzer, I don't want to get in any debate.. Just research Dr. Max Gerson and you will find many articles on how a coffee enema does clean out the intestines. 
 
Dr. Gerson uses this therapy for his cancer patients.
 
Coffee enemas were first popularized by Max Gerson, MD.
 
Dr. Gerson believed the major benefit of the coffee enema is to enhance elimination of toxins through the liver.
 
Endoscopic studies confirm coffee enemas increase bile flow.
 
When patients were given a coffee enema, within minutes of administering the procedure, bile flow increased.
 
Increased bile flow also alkalinizes the small intestine and promotes improved digestion.
 
Coffee also acts as an astringent in the large intestine, helping clean the colon walls.
 
When a coffee enema is used, the caffeine from the coffee is preferentially absorbed into the system and goes directly to the liver where it becomes a very strong detoxicant.
 
The coffee causes the liver to produce more bile, which contains processed toxins and moves bile out toward the small intestine for elimination. 
 
Patients taking coffee enemas report improved energy, feeling less stressed, and an ability to experience uninterrupted sleep. Blood tests taken by patients after a coffee enema report increased red blood cell counts, which improves oxygen in the body.   
 
You may not be able to see it, but you will definitely feel the benefits!
 
 
 
 
One more:
 
Abstract:

Thirty years of clinical experimentation has led to a successful therapy for advanced cancer. This therapy is based on the concepts (1) that cancer patients have low immuno-reactivity and generalized tissue damage, especially of the liver, and (2) that when the cancer is destroyed, toxic degradation products appear in the bloodstream which lead to coma and death from liver failure. The therapy consists of high potassium, low sodium diet, with no fats or oils*, and minimal animal proteins.

Juices of raw fruits and vegetables and of raw liver provide active oxidizing enzymes which facilitate rehabilitation of the liver. Iodine and niacin supplementation is used.

Caffeine enemas cause dilation of bile ducts, which facilitates excretion of toxic cancer breakdown products by the liver and dialysis of toxic products from blood across the colonic wall. The therapy must be used as an integrated whole. Parts of the therapy used in isolation will not be successful. This therapy has cured many cases of advanced cancer.

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/gerson1.html

If you understand what the colonic wall is all about, it includes the intestines.  Everything in our bodies is connected. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_(anatomy)

Denise


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Our bodies are wise as they can heal themselves, all one has to do is nourish them properly. Thus it's all about the Immune System mixed with Daily Detoxing and a dose of Positive Thinking!

efit
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   Posted 12/27/2011 3:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi guys,

My hubby and I are doing a gallbladder / liver flush this week. We are on our second day. Ours involves drinking 32 oz of organic apple juice each day (or ACV mixed with water) and doing the actual olive oil / citrus juice flush on Saturday. It also involves drinking epsom salt dissolved in water several times.

I am curious how those of us with GERD are supposed to drink the lemon / grapefruit juice??? I haven't tried a drop of citrus since my GERD began back in April of this year and quite frankly I am terrified thus I plan on skipping this part. I wonder if the cleanse will still be as effective for me?? Any thoughts?

Those of you with GERD who have done the flush already, did the juice worsen your reflux??

Thanks,
Liz

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   Posted 12/27/2011 11:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Is somebody going to post all the instructions on what we need to get and do ahead of time? I want to do it too.

I read where we should do a parasite cleanse and a kidney cleanse before doing a liver cleanse. Is that true?
I already did/am doing parasite cleanse anyway-just wondered.

I hopel there will be a BIG POST with intructions? How long does it take to do? How many days?
Maybe I better go back and reread all these posts.

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   Posted 12/28/2011 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,
 
I'm compiling a list of different "recipes" as there are so many different types.  It gets confusing to why...
 
Some of them are short, others are days.. I guess each individual will do the one they are comfortable with.
 
This thread is getting long so I will probably start a new thread so the server doesn't slow down... nono
 
Denise
Symptom-free for 6 years ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol.

Our bodies are wise as they can heal themselves, all one has to do is nourish them properly. Thus it's all about the Immune System mixed with Daily Detoxing and a dose of Positive Thinking!

Traveler
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   Posted 12/28/2011 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Denise for when you start a new thread!!
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scorp7
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   Posted 12/28/2011 11:39 PM (GMT -6)   
hi Allieann - yes you already have my email address wink   since we have emailed...
 
And yes I have the coil machine thanks to all your helpful information.  Remember I just got it last month and went to pick it up since I live only several hours from John?  I suppose if I reminded you of my real name you would remember me?   I just don't want to post it on here.
Anyway  I love it and I have been coiling for parasites already and let me tell ya - the coil machine works awesomely (is that even a word?) for parasites.  I hate that I need it but it works!
 
So yea that's true i already am doing a parasite cleanse.  I don't know about a kidney one. 
I am assuming I would benefit from a gall bladder flush.  Or is it only for people with stones?
I read where yours was grapefruit and olive oil?  How does one eat olive oil (without gagging)  seriously
 
I will email you :-)
 
 
 
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