FL1953 Protozoa rhumatica

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bucci
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   Posted 5/23/2012 3:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I can't stop googling enough info on this FL1953

Google it and read every thing you find.

It will tell you about biofilms and how much biofilms creates all the problems with treatment.

Please all those here who are prescribing to others about your uses of magnesium read all that has been known for a long time about supplementing with magnesium and calcium.

The patients who are staying well were taken OFF magnesium and calcium.
And fats

This FL1953 is a major parasite.

Please google info on this

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   Posted 5/23/2012 7:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Bucci. I have been using rather heavy doses of magnesium and calcium (since they work in conjunction with one another ) I am TONS better and i attribute it to my full treatment regimen of which magnesium - mainly oral but also occasional I/Vs as part of Myers. Cocktail - is a large part. Magnesium especially enabled me to sleep much better and also sermed to help with my increased stamina. Magnesium is also a hugepart of standard ILADS treatment for Lyme and TBIs. I am a big proponent of mag supplementation and living proof it works. Maybe there is a certain population it doesn't work with but, having had lyme for 35+ years, i know biofilms are part of my disease and mag doesn't seem to cause ill effects. Not trying to argue but i think it may be premature to discount mag as a legitimate and effective lyme treatment. I guess it still goes to show how different people need different treatments. I personallyfeel nearly fully healed of late and have been taking 600-1000 mg of mag per day plus lots of omega 3s.

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   Posted 5/24/2012 5:10 AM (GMT -6)   
I think the bit of controversy surrounding use of magnesium is that Lyme and biofilms of other TBIs use it. However, this causes a severe deficiency in the body of magnesium that can be used by our various systems, a deficiency that is already pronounced since people typically do not get enough magnesium in their diets. The primary goal of treatment is to restore the body to good working order so that it takes over to get rid of the invaders. With magnesium being deficient due to dietary issues and its use by the critters, we cannot get the body working correctly again without supplemental magnesium! So, tske the magnesium and go after the biofilms in other ways like the use of systemic enzymes, grapefruit seed extract, etc.!

bucci
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   Posted 5/24/2012 9:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Yazzer
Sounds like u know more than me on this
magnesium thing.
I only have been seeing it come up more and more
with this Fl1953 Protozoa rhumatica thing
that is being found in more and more people.

Did you google any of this?

Biofilms is what they are trying to starve in order
to get to these parasites, bacterial , fungals and virals.

Sounds like magnesium is working for you.

Do you have Lyme? Bartonella, hhpv6,
Chlamadial pneumonia, babesia?
What treatment ? Abx? Or natural?

What I am reading is the relapse rate is
too high with magnesium supplementing..

How long have you been in treatment?

I'm not advising anyone not to take magnesium
and I'm not prescribing it either.

I am sharing what I keep see coming up
in the recent writings about relapse and magnesium supplementation
and just the over all known fact that biofilms
have to be dealt with in order to treat.

I read that EDTA is to even pull magnesium
out in order to treat.

I definitely have biofilm problem . That's why I needed
Heparin to deal with the sludge blood.

I never miss the magnesium and am not mag defficient
in blood work.

They also said in these reports I was reading that
Not to supplement with folic acid.

I am definitely going back to vegan and
low argunine diet.

And plan to get tested for the FL1953.
They said you can go to Quest for it.

I suspect i have this because the ivermectin
was a major game changer for me in 2009.

Before that I was using magnesium for all the usual symptoms,
Chest pains, no sleep, joint pain, headaches.
After ivermectin chest pains stopped and I stopped magnesium at same time.

After heparin the seizure like migraines stopped.

Post Edited (bucci) : 5/24/2012 9:15:19 AM (GMT-6)


yazzer
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   Posted 5/24/2012 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
I definitely have Lyme (Bb) - lots of it and it reactivated both EBV and Chlamydia. Plus I showed very high levels of mercury (Hg) and I believe that's what activated my Lyme that I have probably had so long. I broke a tooth in half the March before last and it exposed a Hg filling right next to a gold crown. Of course, I did not no the potential consequences of that then - now I do - it leached a LOT of Hg into my system. That, and the fact that I do not eat meat except fish and was really eating a LOT of tuna - a big source of Hg as well.

I have been treated with Ceftin and Biaxin (and Flagyl, but never took more than 2 courses of 5 days each cuz I could not tolerate). I did LabCorp, Igenex and bioenergetics testing to try and find a co-infection but none turned up anything (even the Igenex FISH test). Still, I treated with Byron White A-L Complex and A-BAB. I have also be doing colostrum for the EBV and just general stamina to keep me exercising. I owe a lot of my progress to my running - aerobic exercise as it is the VERY BEST way to detox heavy metals and other neurotoxins - through sweating them out! I also do weekly acupuncture sessions. I take multi-mega B complex vitamins, tons of Vitamin C, magnesium, calcium and D3 plus I do the methylation protocol support (folate/folinic acid and hydroxylcobabalin B-12). I added Interfase Plus and grapefruit seed extract (GSE) for biofilms and such.

I really stopped googling the internet so much as it has all kinds of crazy and conflicting things. There's this thing and that, that can cause issues. One person says take this for Lyme where another might say that the very same thing is bad for Lyme. Eat this, don't eat that...to me, it got to be too much. I try and focus my mind AWAY from the disease as much as possible, concentrate on a healing mindset and let whatever I am treating with do its thing. I truly believe the body will heal with just a little help with treatments and supporting via proper diet and exercise. I got wrapped around the proverbial axle for too long with this stuff - now that I just accept and work wit it and listen to my body, things have gotten tons better. I am well on the way to being back to my old normal self. I am not suggesting what others need to do - my LLMD is under the assumption that we clear the Bb (and, for me, work on the overload of heavy metals - hG), and the body will right itself and take care of all the other things that have gone awry - this is also the theory of Burrescano et al....treat the pathogen and the other things will fall in-line eventually!

bucci
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   Posted 5/24/2012 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow that's flipped out about the gold and filling.!

I was told by two Llmd to stay away from magnesium.

Also, Fry, is cutting edge and Burriscsno follows
Fry Labs very close. The other Lyme doctors who are staying
Away from magnesium are in the Lyme scene
with Buriacanno. Im going to name names and hope it's ok since they
are out of the closet. Ryser Healing Center of America for one is focused on the
biofilm issue and Envita's all about stripping biofilms. Also, Marra, the top tick borne specialist ,biologist and researcher who just very recently was who Burriscano asked to help facilitate his latest research on new testing for detection of Lyme Bb. No magnesium.

I'm not surfing Internet looking
at every little thing. This is Klinghardt and Betterhealthguy.com

The conversation IS biofilms and starving them not feeding.
Everyone is talking about the Fl1953 and it was our Lupner
Who first pointed it out. This is something the people who
still are not well after years of treatments and even fibro and
CFS folks to stay tuned into.

If I knew how to forward in the blue letters I would have
passed it on like that but really just by googling it each one
can find out as much as they want. It's even on other boards
and people sharing treatment experiences.

This parasite is some how associated with bartonella also.

I was trying to get this FL1953 talked about here too.

Instead this thread has turned into magnesium issue
because I worded my origional post wrong.

Some people can keep their biofilm under control with diet,
others are using the lubrokeneese and other enzymes like it
While others who have been infected longer need low dose
heparin troche or shots.

The focus on biofilms and sluggish blood is becoming
the first line of attack in dealing with these parasites, virus
And bacteria.

Post Edited (bucci) : 5/24/2012 1:12:05 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 5/24/2012 5:00 PM (GMT -6)   
There are different ways to approach healing, as we all know by now. All of these pathogens need the same vitamins, minerals, substances, etc. that we need to survive. For some people it works better not to fuel them, for others it's more important to fuel ourselves.

I've looked into this thing too - not gonna lie, it's a little intimidating! Do you know if insurance covers the testing for it/if it's expensive? It really is fascinating all that we're learning about this whole disease complex!
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yazzer
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   Posted 5/24/2012 5:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Good point, B/L, about fueling ourselves versus the pathogen. Since i am VERY active, logging 25+ running miles a week, i have to fuel my body. Without magnesium and other electrolytes and such, I'd be flat on my back in no time. I think my aerobicly very active style just over overwhelms the pathogens and, since i use up all the magnesium myself, there is nothing left for the critters! LOL. Plus, i believe the enzymes and GSE wotk to brwak open the biofilm communities. I give the critters the absolute most hostile environment possible ..... and i hope the bastids choke on it!

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   Posted 5/24/2012 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Btw, i also use NAC and ALA for supporting glutathione and the ALA also binds mercury. I have added cilantro i sm growing in the backyard to help with the latter as well!

skBM
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   Posted 5/25/2012 2:16 AM (GMT -6)   
This is the article I read recently, that I saw someone post in another thread here:

www.iadvocatehealth.org/protozoal_infection0.aspx

very interesting to say the least. I think everyone on this board should read it.

Post Edited By Moderator (borderlyme) : 5/25/2012 12:08:07 PM (GMT-6)


yazzer
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   Posted 5/25/2012 8:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Very interesting article! Plus, not only are ticks the vector for infection, but mosquitos! Everyone must have this in some form or another if protomyxoa turns out to be a real issue via further research. It might even explain why I feel better - much better - doing heavy aerobic exercising even though most Lyme literature recommends AGAINST it. I attribute heavy exercise to many benefits that stave off the critters: (1) heating up the body to kill off the pathogens, (2) oxygenating the blood, (3) driving the blood deeper into the tissues to get at the hiding critters and possibly, (4) helping to break-up the stringy biofilms (the heated blood has gotta be thinner and that would provide a modalitiy, along with the other things, to expose the critters from their biofilm protection, to the abx and other treatments.), and last but not least, (5) it boosts the immune system tremendously.

I think a lot of this stuff we're finding these days is very interesting and it pribably what makes us mortal - even Fry in the article, states that we are seeing the effects of this more because the population is living longer. I truly believe the objective here is not to eradicate the critters completely but rather return the body/mind/soul to a homeostatic level where we can live a good life while on this mortal plane....acceptance of chronic illiness is prt of this. When you really think about it - LIFE ITSELF is a chronic illness because we humans are all terminal....make the best of the days we have!

Post Edited (yazzer) : 5/25/2012 7:47:35 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 5/25/2012 1:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Great article - it may take me all day to get through it though!! Yaz, that's an awesome way of putting it - trying to recover from chronic illnesses, all this energy to "get better," I think sometimes we forget that perfect health isn't some destination!
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bucci
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   Posted 5/25/2012 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Sk, thankyou for posting that article.

This is what I was the information I was
trying to bring to the board.

Somehow it turned into something else.

Can you or the moderator please start a new thread with
This link being available.

Thank you for taking the time to respond and
bring this article to us.

There is so much overlapping with Lyme, fibro,CFS,
ALS, MS and lupus when you see this level of
attention and research AND new found results it is
really encouraging.

Thank you
Bucci

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   Posted 5/25/2012 4:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I tested positive for the protozoa from Fry Labs. I'm surprised to hear that Quest is testing for it. I thought Fry had a certain stain that detected it and biofilms. I had a substantial amount of biofilm shown by Fry.
 
I am taking Plaquneil and artiminisin for the protozoa along with lyme herbals, grapefruit seed extract and lumbrakanise.
 
I've heard that it takes a long time to eradicate the protozoa - about a year. My dr. has not mentioned magnesium.

bucci
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   Posted 5/25/2012 7:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I have to find where I saw about Quest.

Twinkle, how did you do the test?
Did your doctor call Fry?
You saw Fry?
Did they mention Macdougal diet?

Please keep us posted how you are feeling.

Thank you
20 yrs of doctors . DEC. 2009 tested positive for lyme, bartonella, ehrichiosis, HHV6, chlamadyal pneumonia .
parasites :strongylides, diaoebia fragialis, hook worm.

Hep C ....fibro, rhumatoidal,depression,

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   Posted 5/25/2012 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
My main (and almost only) lyme symptom is bladder related, and I have interstitial cys***. I was working with a nurse practicioner who follows Fry very closely and has even put on seminars with him (I saw a video of a seminar they put on for MDs)...it was interesting.

So she's found that nearly all of her IC patients have the fry bug; she had me get the test done.

skBM
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   Posted 5/26/2012 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
bucci said...
Sk, thankyou for posting that article.

This is what I was the information I was
trying to bring to the board.

Somehow it turned into something else.

Can you or the moderator please start a new thread with
This link being available.


Thank you for taking the time to respond and
bring this article to us.

There is so much overlapping with Lyme, fibro,CFS,
ALS, MS and lupus when you see this level of
attention and research AND new found results it is
really encouraging.

Thank you
Bucci


done

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   Posted 1/10/2013 1:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I have probably had Lymes for most of my life and by the time I was diagnosed, I could no longer tolerate antibiotics. I have been taking Samento, Banderol and Serrapeptase. I tried giving up the magnesium and I don't think it's a good idea for most people. Serrapeptase breaks up biofilms, cysts, sluggish blood, phlegm and scar tissue. The really good thing is that the Serrapeptase gets at weird and unusual parasites(that you had no idea existed) that have morphed into other forms as well as cysts. The bad thing is that as they are uncovered, you don't feel too good. I have a wonderful homeopathic doctor the detoxes me as these invaders appear. She uses the old Interro/Vega(sp) type system. My regular D.O. supports this treatment and prescribes Provigil for the fatigue and narcolepsy. Not all the critters have been named but I will ask if the FL1953 is one of them. If Biofilms are a problem, I really recommend the Serrapeptase Enzyme. It is what the silkworms manufacture to dissolve cocoons and doesn't harm healthy tissue. It is inexpensive and results are noticeable. It seems to make whatever else you are taking work better.

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   Posted 9/24/2013 10:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone heard of having fl1953 without lyme? I have positive FL1953 results from Fry labs (or those that show epierythycic bacteria/hemobartonella) but have never had a positive lyme test. I have been sick now for 2.5 years.

KisekiShiawase
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   Posted 11/28/2013 1:20 AM (GMT -6)   
this magnesium thing is a dilemma. :(
and many advise magnesium and experience better on them. also how about protein source mostly contain fats. and calcium.
and iron.
carbs feeds fungus.

do people who have it will get low lvl og magnesium in blood test?

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   Posted 11/28/2013 1:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Yazzer, have you been running all those miles while you have been sick? Im a runner as well but it is almost nonexsistent d/t how crappy i feel after!!! How do you do it??

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   Posted 11/28/2013 5:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymerunner,
Yazzer hasn't been on here in a while, so I don't know if you will get a response from him. I do know that he had to quit while he was really ill, but not for long. He's back up to running many miles most days! So hang in there and get through your treatments, once healed, I'll bet you too can get back to your running.
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   Posted 11/28/2013 6:10 PM (GMT -6)   
KisekiShiawase,
Low levels of magnesium aren't usually tested for, but I do know that the ground that our food is grown on is deficient in magnesium, so our food is deficient, and then we become deficient.

The best way to determine if you are in need of magnesium is to start on it and go to "bowel tolerance". Start off with a very low dose (250 mgs) and take it in the morning. This may cause loose stools, so you should take it until they aren't so loose any more. This should only take a few days at most. Then add in another 250 mg dose in the evening. Stay on that until your bowel movements are no longer loose. Then add in another 250mgs (for a total of 500 mgs) in the morning - wait until your bowel movements are no longer loose and add in another 250 mg dose in the evening (raising this dose to 500 mgs as well). Keep raising first the am, then the pm doses until you bowel movements are only loose, but not watery.

Once you have reached that point, then you need to back off each dose until your bowel movements are no longer loose, but not fairly soft (sorry!). This is the perfect dose for your body, and it varies for each person depending on many different factors.

My daily intake of magnesium is fairly high at 2,000 mgs (divided into 2 doses), but that's what keep my intestines happy!! :-)
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Bart herb - only Houttuynia for 6 months
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   Posted 12/1/2013 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Traveler!!

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   Posted 12/1/2013 7:15 PM (GMT -6)   
smilewinkgrin You're Welcome!
Lyme herbs used: "Chronic Tonic" from www.mistymeadows.org/wendydocs/Lyme Disease.pdf for 9 months

Bart herb - only Houttuynia for 6 months
tx ended 1-2013

Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV

Questions about what I've posted or just have questions? Please email me!!! Click on blue envelope under my screen name.
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